Received wisdom about football

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Spain are always less than the sum of their parts
Italy always start tournaments off weakly
Sweden are dark horses

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 7 June 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

You can never write off the Germans
Portugal flatter to decieve
Russia are solid, but lack that creative spark
Brazilians were born to play football
Africans have a wonderful way of expressing themselves with a ball

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 7 June 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

England have the quality

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 7 June 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

South American goalkeepers are born entertainers

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 7 June 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Scottish goalkeepers are crap

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 7 June 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

You can win things with kids.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 7 June 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

leaves of three, Francis Lee, leaves of four, Bobby Moore

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 7 June 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Ukraine can't win away from home
There has never been a good match involving Norway

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 7 June 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

The Irish supporters are truly the best in the world.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 7 June 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Marcel Desailly's a lazy ...no, wait, that's not right.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

The team that controls the run game will always win.

― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Archie Gemmill's is the greatest goal scored by a Scot in a Scotland shirt.

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

*RETRO-96 STYLE*

The French must be good if they can leave out Ginola and Cantona

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

World In Motion is the only good football song ever

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a game of more than one, but less than three, halves.

― de, Monday, 7 June 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

The Yanks can't play football

― de, Monday, 7 June 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The Japanese/South Koreans: fast and fit, aren't they?
Good technique wins you football matches
The Italians: defensive, aren't they? It's like a game of chess
The Spanish/Portuguese: tut tut, when will they come of age
Argentina: fucking hell they're good aren't they? We'ill never beat them!
Holland: bunch of bickering old women

― de, Monday, 7 June 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Everyone in Scotland has a great deal of affection for Partick Thistle.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

haha!

― zappi (joni), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, that can fuck off.

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Me at age 7: Rush Goalie is something to do with Ian Rush

― de, Monday, 7 June 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Bill Shanks: Liddypool's greatest manager, no contest allowed.
The Russians/Czechs etc: technically excellent, but where's the soul ?(ie: you, the viewers, may not have heard of some of them)
Africans: naive defending, natch.(though bizarrely only at international level)
Norwich/Ipswich: family clubs, pleasure to do business with, mustn't win anything, mind you.
Tottenham: er,play the game of football the way it should be played.
Foreign goalies (esp Latins and Slavs): dodgy on crosses cos they punch rather than catch, not like safe English hands like Seamo and Calamity James.

― darren (darren), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Newcastle: they're everyone's second team

― de, Monday, 7 June 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Man City are a massive clooob

― darren (darren), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Martin O'Neill is just killing time until he gets a decent job.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

There's no such thing as an easy game anymore at international level.

― darren (darren), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Brian Clough: should've managed England, if it wasn't for those Nazis at the FA

― de, Monday, 7 June 2004 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

The game of football: actually invented by the French/Romans/Egyptians/Italians/Phoenicians/Venusians

― de, Monday, 7 June 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Girls don't understand the offside rule/only watch for the players' legs

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

When looking to see if there had been a thread about good looking footballers (which there is, mostly posted on by blokes), I found this fantastic story which may be more funny now that Senor Reyes is plying his trade in this country...

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Scholesy: He's [a] little/pocket terrier/dynamite/rocket

― de, Monday, 7 June 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Everyone loves Peter Reid

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

You need a blend of youth and experience.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

An African nation will win the world cup this decade.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Roberto Carlos isn't actually any good
And neither is Franck Leboeuf
Seth Johnson has never been any good at any point in his career ever

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Alan Curbishley can't wait to leave Charlton

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Alastair Cook is Scotland's best player

― the ninefox, Monday, 7 June 2004 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

A non-G14 Champions League final shames us all

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Nobody from Manchester supports Man Utd

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

The first yard is in your head.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

No team from Eastern Europe will ever win anything again
Losing to Scandinavian part-timers shames us all

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Archie Gemmill's is the greatest goal scored by a Scot in a Scotland shirt.

Yes, cozen, we all know it was Narey v Brazil!!!!

Yawn, etc ;)

― Venga, Monday, 7 June 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Average player, outstanding manager

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Ian Holloway is God

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Hull City: they're a sleeping giant aren't they

― de, Monday, 7 June 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Pele: actually rubbish

― de, Monday, 7 June 2004 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Bill Shanks: Liddypool's greatest manager, no contest allowed.

Darren, otm. Bob Paisley = THREE European Cups = unparalleled in English football, nevermind Liverpool.

Although, none of it would have happened without Shanks.

― Venga, Monday, 7 June 2004 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

The team play better if they get access to their wives the night before.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Players in the 60s/70s/80s went onto the field with several pints in them, and it never did them any harm

― de, Monday, 7 June 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Glenn Hoddle/Matthew LeTissier never got a fair crack of the whip in the England team.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

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Anything can happen on the day
AKA

"the ball is round"

AKA

"the hand of god"

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

it only takes a second to score a goal

― chris (chris), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

- england always play worse against the lesser teams (what about the lezzer teams??)
- england always play better against the better teams
- germans and italians are good at penalties
- it's better to go into the 2nd leg away game 1-1 than to be 1-0 up.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

man utd always have a strong run at the end of the season

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Have another look at the Italians' record over the last couple of decades before making that penalties claim, Ken.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

dude, "received wisdom", not truth!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

- whoever's at the bottom of the premiership at christmas always goes down. (although that's actually always been true so far?)

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Always shoot across the keeper.
Always hit the target, make the keeper earn his money.
Goals change games.
Penalties shoot-outs are a lottery.
Time (and therefore all scoring records) began with the English Premiership 12 years ago.
George Best would have lit up a World Cup.
Pele>Maradona>The World (unless you want to be clever and say Puskas).
Hibs invented total football.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

No one has ever played better football than Brazil in 1970.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never ehard the recieved wisdom about Italian penalty proficiency because it is so at odds with reality that none utter it ever.

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i dunno where i received it from dude.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave B otm. Ken Chu is lamex0r!

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, "Dave B0yle is a modern-day messiah to troubled footie teams everywhere (NB not Milton Keynes)" is pretty much received wisdom.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i'll only stick with other people's received wisdoms from now on, i guess.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Pure received wisdoms from Coops: http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?command=newPage&nodeId=136992&contentPK=10256175&sports=yes

I wonder if anyone apart from the Exeter E&E ever listen to what he says.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 10 June 2004 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

that last para is pure gold :)

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 10 June 2004 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

At the start of the article it almost seems like he's thinking about what he's saying but by the end he had clearly just turned his mouth to 'auto'.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 10 June 2004 11:29 (twenty-one years ago)

If it hadn't been over the line, well, Roger Hunt would've knocked it in cos he was an instinctive finisher, he wouldn't have stood there with his arm in the air.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 10 June 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Ian Botham is the only England captain to have played for Scunthorpe.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 10 June 2004 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

that's bollocks, the received wisdom there is that three england captains have played for Scunthorpe, keegan, Clemence and....Botham

not football but, Geoff Capes? breeds budgies.

― chris (chris), Thursday, 10 June 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Hibs invented total football.

This is true though. :-P

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 10 June 2004 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Scandinavian teams consist of part-timers.

― OleM (OleM), Thursday, 10 June 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Paul Scholes - scores a lot of goals with his head for a small guy

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 10 June 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Jason Lee has got a pineapple on his head

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 10 June 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

An away goal counts as two

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 10 June 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Holland should've been at the last World Cup

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 10 June 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The bastard in the black is not always the referee

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 10 June 2004 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Signing a Japanese player is a cynical way to get free money.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 June 2004 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

John 3:16

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Mexican waves are fun expressions of jollity

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

And they started at the '84 Olympics

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

The team which wins the league has to be in the top two at Christmas.

Apart from Gary Jules obv.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

David Beckham is a stupid.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

David Beckham's voice is going to be used to make all stadium
announcements at England's Euro 2004 matches. A spokesman said, "We heard he comes over the PA really well"

My girlfriend sent me this...

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Italy have only won one world cup legitimately

Uruguay won theirs fair and square though

― de, Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

G, I have had that joke in my email about four times today, as have several of my friends. I decided to spare ILE.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Wales haven't reached the finals of a major tournament since 1958.

(a preposterous piece of selective misinformation, seeing as they saw off Austria and Hungary to win their group in 1976 and reach the last eight - a feat that to all intents and purposes is 'the final stages', given that the Euros have been up to 16 countries since '96)

― darren (darren), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

They rather threw away their self-respect this time, though.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

G, I have had that joke in my email about four times today, as have several of my friends. I decided to spare ILE.

I remember when Dean Richards was a good player...
-- Matt DC, June 9th, 2004.

OK, you're funnier than me.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Vernon Kay did that joke about Beckham in the "England Dream Team" prog.

― de, Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

It was very funny, though - the reason several of my friends have received it was because I, erm, forwarded it to them.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Blimey, tomorrow we can say, "tomorrow Euro 2004 starts".

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Jason Lee has got a pineapple on his head

I have seen Jason Lee this (well, last) season. The people who I was with were rather unimpressed by my wanting to sing that at him for the simple fact that he doesn't any more. I still love his claim that he would have been a great player if people hadn't pushed him to the depths of depression for having a silly haircut, and think he deserves all the ridicule he gets, if only because he now plays for Falkirk.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 10 June 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Big teams playing shitty relegation fodder expect a tough game because "they are fighting for their lives"

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 11 June 2004 09:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't Jason Lee play for England? Am I dreaming this?

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

England B wasn't it? or under 21s?

― chris (chris), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought full cap. I just googled it and Mr Google said, 121 caps! This Mr Lee plays hockey though.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

He certainly didn't get a full cap.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 12 June 2004 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

He wouldn't have been able to fit it over the pineapple.

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 12 June 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Players from [random South / Eastern European country] are diving toerags when they go down in a heap; 'we don't want to see this kind of thing'. Ruud Van Nistelrooy is a 'clever player' when he 'induces fouls'.

― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Monday, 21 June 2004 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)

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