Rah, I am back from Venezuela

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And I had a very good time indeed. Pictures will come along as they do when they do, since I need to get them developed and all. So for the present, some general observations, as I didn't really have an itinerary as such other than laze about and do fun things as they came up or were suggested.

* My good friend Miggie helped with all the hotel accomodations and played tour guide and translator throughout, and she introduced me to many friends and family, and I'd have to say first and foremost that the people are quite, quite cool -- their friendliness and humor easily reminded me of the best moments in my New Zealand trip, and though my imperfect Spanish meant I wasn't able to catch every joke or conversation (reading it is much easier for me than hearing it, alas), a good time was had, whether it was celebrating a friend's university graduation at a Mexican-themed bar called Tequilibrio with about twenty perfect strangers who cheered my bold and slightly drunken but utterly horrible attempt at salsa moves (though you all wish you were there when the DJ started spinning techno because when you've got Venezuelans dancing who know salsa moves from birth and combine it with rave, the result rules beyond belief -- and apparently the upstairs floor was even more dance crazy!) or just walking around downtown.

* Caracas sprawls, more chaotically so than any city I've yet visited, I'd have to say. Even the LA sprawl is of a sort that makes a certain kind of sense, bounded in the basin area as the LA/OC region is for the most part, then trickling out from there. Caracas is much more convoluted, resembling, say, crowded moments on Manhattan but everywhere all at once, or near to it. Cars reign supreme, despite a handy enough metro system, and easily NYC is the only other place I've seen so many taxis on the road or getting about at all hours of day and night. The taxis range from officially registered companies to 'pirates,' essentially just private cars with a taxi sign or the like on the top, and given the amount of knowledge one needs to get around in the various neighborhoods, a good taxi driver is clearly a must to know. I wasn't surprised to find out that both businesses and individuals rely on personal contacts and recommendations, and cultivating newly encountered drivers who turn out to know their stuff is crucial.

* The nature of the sprawl emphasizes in large part the obvious poverty, and the comparison point of the western half of the city in particular to the favelas of Rio seems apt. At a certain point things bleed over into housing which are patched together buildings and slums, no more than a couple of stories high per building -- with electricity for the streets and alleyways at least, lending a familiar enough appearance of suburbia at night, but in the day the truth of the situation can't be ignored. There were many warnings throughout my stay about avoiding certain neighborhoods even in the more well-off area my hotel was at, watching for pickpockets, generally keeping your cool -- not to the point of paranoia, but those who lived there were clearly not going to be euphemistic about the situation. The hotel's main door was always locked day and night. Even on Isla Margarita in the Caribbean, where Venezuelans go to enjoy the sun and sand without having to leave the country (as well as taking advantage of a no-tax situation there, sales taxes generally run around 17% I seem to recall), it was clearly no idyllic paradise of timeshares through and through.

* Politically, it was interesting to be in a country not my own where questions of leadership and policy were so central, though in large part this was certainly an accident of timing, visiting as I did between the time of the petitions for a referendum and the actual referendum itself, due on August 15th. Chavez is certainly an astonishingly polarizing figure, and though I abstained from any direct political discussion in favor of observation -- and certainly many citizens are a bit tired of it all as well -- there's little doubt as to the deep-seated emotions on either side. Chavez definitely is playing all his cards as he can in the run-up to the vote -- besides the main 'VOTA NO' campaign and his use of state radio and television for interviews or appearances, of himself or his supporters (more than once I noted great store was placed in speeches from activists or academics from other countries, including the US apparently) are any number of associated campaigns or public testimonials from the various mayors (if that is the best equivalent for alcaldes) of Caracas's many neighborhoods or the governors of the various states. The 'SI' campaigners are no less visible if not in a completely advantageous PR spot, and the vote figures to be extremely close. Chavez certainly emphasizes a leftist approach and aims at a populist image that specifically cultivates poorer voters, while also tying into a general anti-Bush sentiment as well, but there appears to be some question of how much of that latter sentiment is romanticized by either Chavez or his followers. There weren't any street fights or riots or the like that I saw or heard about from others, so the idea that the whole city or country is wracked with turmoil certainly doesn't apply.

* Relating to the vote is the general economic situation, which at present seems pretty chancy. Inflation is quite massive and the dollar is relied on heavily as a more stable currency than the bolivar, though you still have to exchange for bolivares for any cash payment, whether via official exchanges or alternate means. Apparently Chavez could, if he wanted to, quite literally pay off the entire country's debt to the IMF and all via past oil revenues -- Venezuela is a member of OPEC and from what I could tell, gas seems to be pretty cheap, though I'm not positive. However, if he did do that, the apparent effect on the economy would be to devalue the bolivar even further -- the current exchange rate is one dollar to nearly 2000 bolivares, the projected exchange rate after such a payment could go as high as 5000. Financially speaking, many voters blame Chavez for essentially ruining their savings over recent years as inflation has exploded, which in part explains the intensity of the current campaign. Life very much continues, and for all the poverty, my sense is that there is much more of a 'middle class' as broadly conceived than stereotypes might otherwise suggest, but perhaps much like Argentina, there are heavy economic pressures being brought to bear.

* Much of the country does seem very American in ways, interestingly enough. Part of it is the whole globalization superstructure of tall buildings and billboards and car culture and mall culture and cell phones and Internet access and familiar enough businesses, of course -- and not to mention baseball, easily the sports obsession of the country. There's also the mix of many backgrounds, European, African, native American, Asian and increasingly Middle Eastern -- not unique to the country to be sure but it was a familiar sight.

* The food, ah, the food. Did not get the chance to try everything I wanted to -- there's a national dish of beef and rice and more that I missed out on, another time perhaps -- but Caracas, being extremely cosmopolitan, does indeed offer a hell of a lot to try from, regional cuisine from around the country and nearly anything from outside it. The variations can be surprising, though -- for instance, while sushi is quite popular, a core ingredient is cream cheese. I'd guess this is the equivalent of avocado for California rolls out here. Meals ranged from a fondue place on top of Avila, a mountain just north of Caracas, to an excellent Spanish location in the Candelaria, I gather a fairly European neighborhood (or maybe simply just Spanish!), to fresh fruits I'd never tried before, picked up from a local market, to the freshest and best grilled fish I've ever had anywhere, right on a beach on Isla Margarita, from one of the many small bar and grills oceanside.

* When it comes to the food vices of the country, along with other vices in general -- cheese, as partially hinted at with the cream cheese thing, is a deep love, something I enjoyed greatly. Fried cheese as part of breakfast is one hell of a way to start your day. Chocolate, meanwhile, is perhaps very unsurprisingly huge, I'd rank the passion for it and the amount to be purchased as equal to UK or New Zealand levels. Coffee is essential and intrinsic to everyday living, and everyone has their own very specific way of how they want it done -- apparently Starbucks has made no headway at all in Venezuela as a result, so that was satisfying. Smoking is widespread but like in the States the ads very heavily restricted -- I saw one cigarette brand that was regularly advertised via some billboards, called Bond (no Connery or guns in the campaign, though), but that was about it, and apparently it's completely off of TV and radio. Alcohol, meanwhile, is also a passion -- beer of course (the German influence in the country is partially measured perhaps by the fact that the 'national' brand, Polar, is a Pilsener), but would you care to guess what the other absolute hands-down slambang no holds barred favorite beverage is?

*drum roll*

Whiskey. Whiskey from Scotland and not any younger than 12 years if it can be helped. Whiskey ads are EVERYWHERE, the billboards, the signs, more. I don't think I've seen such an omnipresence on that level in any other country or area I've yet visited, and yes, that includes Scotland itself. Whiskey is THE suave drink of choice, and everyone wants it and loves it, it is a national passion, and I can only guess that said sector of Scotland's economy relies on this more heavily than can be realized. I asked about this passion and it seems that when the country was doing quite well a few years back thanks to oil revenue and the state of the world economy, it became the in-thing to drink, and while the economic situation is greatly changed the taste for it has only increased -- and maybe acts as a reminder of better times.

* Radio and local music is pretty damned great. Chuck Eddy noted on the Faith No More thread about the easy eclecticism so many South American performers can bring to the fore these days, something Begs2Differ has been no less vocal about, and you can hear it pretty readily. Quite often I was taken by pleasant surprise -- one taxi driver was listening to a grand hip-hop album and I really should have asked who it was. Though the feller's flow was at times a bit rough, the music was pretty good in a Timbaland style, suffused with threat and a variety of beats. Miggie was kind enough to burn me a slew of discs from such familiar enough heroes as Los Amigos Invisibles, Soda Stereo and Juanes, as well as newer efforts from Molotov and King Chango, plus a fine three pack of Aterciopelados efforts, and I can't wait to give them all a listen. As it happened, I missed a Los Amigos Invisibles show on Isla Margarita by a few days, much to my regret.

* The weather was certainly varied -- classically tropical and steaming down on the coast and in the Caribbean, a mix and match in Caracas (which is about three thousand feet above sea level), cold on top of Avila, which is literally in the clouds most of the time. Should you go, layers are essential. (Also, apparently the easiest way to make yourself a target for muggers as an obvious tourist is to rely on a T-shirt/khaki shorts combination -- which is generally my regular outfit at home, so I set that aside in favor of buttoned shirts and pants, which given the changes in weather was actually the right thing to do.)

* The scenery was often simply stunning. Well I didn't investigate deep into the country towards the Brazilian border or the like, perhaps another time whenever that might be. But Caracas's setting, as noted, is up from the coastal mountains, and is quite spectacular -- the valley the core of the city lies in runs east/west, with gentle peaks on the south and spectacular ones on the north, all covered in forest for the most part. The views from my hotel room in the city were simply divine, morning, noon or evening, and I hope the photos will capture a sense of that. There were some beautiful areas of the city itself, from botanical parks to the historical centers of government, while Isla Margarita is certainly grand as well -- the beach I was on there for a perfectly lazy afternoon, Playa El Agua, is apparently the one to go to, and I have to say it was well worth it. Again, hopefully the photos will show that to y'all.

In sum, I had quite a time, relaxing, enjoyable, carefree and low-key. I'd certainly recommend it but will again note I was very lucky to have friends to rely on and play the host -- English is widely known but brush up on your Spanish if you go (more than I did, I admit!). Always do what those there do whenever they can -- drink bottled or filtered water, never tap! I did that and I have to say that I never felt any worries from stomach upset or worse -- there were plenty of dire warnings and I guess I heeded them well enough! If you do go to the jungle areas, be prepared for malaria and dengue as possibilities, but when it comes to Caracas and the coast, hep A and B and tetanus vaccinations were what was recommended.

Beyond that, all I can say is that it was great! More thoughts will come to me as they do. Oh, during the quiet moment I did catch up on some long overdue reading, and now my appreciation for Iain Banks (in Iain M. Banks sf mode) and James Branch Cabell and Frank Pape is even greater than before. As is N-Joi, thanks to my iPod. Rah and all that!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago)

'i say this hip-hop album is grand, just grand!'

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 24 July 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago)

i kid ned

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 24 July 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago)

Fantabulous, sir!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago)

Should have said 'variety of rhythms,' though, to capture the better sense of what I was at -- I have this feeling that many performers throughout the continent absolutely go nuts with happiness at trying all kinds of things from other countries.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 22:59 (twenty years ago)

Sounds great, Ned!

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 24 July 2004 23:17 (twenty years ago)

Glad you had a good trip!

Ian c=====8 (orion), Saturday, 24 July 2004 23:25 (twenty years ago)

Hurrah, Ned returns with cool photos!

Vic (Vic), Saturday, 24 July 2004 23:28 (twenty years ago)

Caracas sprawls, more chaotically so than any city I've yet visited, I'd have to say. Even the LA sprawl is of a sort that makes a certain kind of sense, bounded in the basin area as the LA/OC region is for the most part, then trickling out from there. Caracas is much more convoluted, resembling, say, crowded moments on Manhattan but everywhere all at once, or near to it.

I met a Venezuelan several years back (and I think he may have been from Caracas, though I don't remember for sure). He said what a beautiful city Philadelphia is*, which took me aback a little bit; but he want on to say how there's no urban planning in Venezuela and everything is, well, as you have described it here.

*At the time we were walking along the Franklin Parkway, which has its appealing moments.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 24 July 2004 23:29 (twenty years ago)

Hurrah, Ned returns with cool photos!

Well, so I hope. I did not alas return with someone for Phil, who begged me for same. I guess customs would not have allowed that, even if freeze-dried.

Rockist, I honestly don't know if the equal appreciation for salsa and hip-hop and rock across the board among nearly everyone I talked to would have thrilled you or annoyed you. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 23:42 (twenty years ago)

Ned, I think I could live with that.

You're a brave man to try to dance salsa in Venezuela, since they have their own peculiar side step (and you'll probably know what I'm talking about). But then again, maybe it would be worse for since I'd have to unlearn what I know now. The good thing about being a complete beginner is that you have nothing to lose.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 24 July 2004 23:48 (twenty years ago)

since they have their own peculiar side step (and you'll probably know what I'm talking about)

Yup! I was following along best I could but dang, takes practice and time (and probably less drink on my part). Indeed, nothing to lose and I said 'fuck it, gotta at least TRY.' Broke the ice nicely with some folks, actually!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 23:49 (twenty years ago)

Oh, one thing I forgot to mention earlier was the graffiti -- there were a number of expected general tags, like you can see as easily in London as in LA, say, but most of the graffiti was about the referendum campaign. No art as such, more just getting the slogans up and readable. The most bemusing -- "Chavez es amor." Indeed?

I should say that while I didn't see any direct political violence that's not to say it couldn't be there. The main taxi driver who took me around, someone Miggie knows via her work, had his windshield damaged by a rock-thrower who took objection to the fact he supports the SI vote against Chavez.

Patriotism is extremely strong in the country as well in general -- not merely the omnipresence of the flag, comparable enough to the American flag's popularity here and all, but also in the sense of how the chief figures of the independence fight, most notably Bolivar but also including many other figures featured on money or elsewhere, almost feel like living persons, constantly and strongly invoked to a degree I don't readily see with, say, Washington or the Founding Fathers. Then again, I was in the capital and chief metropolis of the country (the best equivalent would be, say, Bangkok for Thailand, where it so clearly and thoroughly dwarfs any other city), where Bolivar was born, though in ways the fact that Bolivar remains such a potent icon, through pictures and quotes and more, among so many is telling. Certainly Chavez doesn't mind the general equations of Bolivar's anti-Spanish efforts with his own anti-imperialist/US approaches.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 23:56 (twenty years ago)

Welcome home! :-)

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 25 July 2004 05:59 (twenty years ago)

great great post(s) ned, i really enjoyed them!

ps what iain m banks did you read? i love that guy!

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 25 July 2004 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Glad you liked 'em! The Banks was Consider Phlebas -- first Culture novel I have read, most impressive. I've got Use of Weapons and Excession kicking around here, along with four or five of the 'regular' fiction novels. The Cabell stuff I'll post on the thread I started about him at some point -- it was beautiful, strange reading.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 15:01 (twenty years ago)

my friend introduced me to the culture stuff a couple of years ago and i just went nuts for it! i think excession might be my favourite, or the last one, what was it called--look to windward.

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 25 July 2004 15:05 (twenty years ago)

Ned is BRAVE. That's all I gotta say. I stayed at the Caracas Hilton years ago when I went. A week and a half after I left, I read on the newspaper that a bomb was found in the room I stayed in. True fuckin' story. Caracas is a scary motherfucker. I would also like to take this chance to encourage Ned to write a book/journo-testimonial on his travels or somesuch. Very observant, detailed breakdown of the culture.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:29 (twenty years ago)

look to windward

I'm actually pretty intrigued by that in that the book is titled after a phrase from the exact same passage in Eliot's The Waste Land that Consider Phlebas takes its own title from. Is it meant to be a sequel (I have no idea how, though, given the ending and appendices to Consider)?

Ned is BRAVE. That's all I gotta say.

If there were bombs in my room, they were well hid, and I'm rather glad you were not smithereened. A scary motherfucker? I would agree that I did get specific warnings from Miggie and others about what not to do and where not to go, and I followed them assiduously, so perhaps as a result I didn't feel very worried in that I already had the heads-up, and at no point did I wander the city alone with the exception of a couple of blocks down the street from my hotel -- and even then I was told not to go too much further than that, and didn't. I was cautious, yes, felt awkward more than once, but no hunched shoulders and worried looks everywhere -- perhaps a certain naivete/ignorance is bliss attitude on my part, dunno, though when one considers the corrosive poverty in the city, only the most Pollyannaish would ignore or discount the reality of the situation. (For what it's worth I did register beforehand at the US Embassy for the first time on any of my foreign travels -- figured it couldn't hurt.)

I would also like to take this chance to encourage Ned to write a book/journo-testimonial on his travels or somesuch. Very observant, detailed breakdown of the culture.

Aw, well thanks. Just observations at base, not meant to be detailed conclusions, but I hope I captured what I could accurately -- it can only be a snapshot at best.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 18:07 (twenty years ago)

I'm actually pretty intrigued by that in that the book is titled after a phrase from the exact same passage in Eliot's The Waste Land that Consider Phlebas takes its own title from. Is it meant to be a sequel (I have no idea how, though, given the ending and appendices to Consider)?

i think banks just has a thing for the waste land--it's no more a sequel than any of the other culture books (ie same universe and probably a handful of inter-references keen people might notice!)

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 25 July 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago)

Hm! I like the sound of that...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 July 2004 11:41 (twenty years ago)

Ned did you convince any Venezuelans to post??

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:35 (twenty years ago)

Ned in Venezuela:

LOCAL No.1: Oh my God - that is Miles Hunt from The Wonder Stuff.

LOCAL No.2: He seems a bit bigger...

LOCAL No.3: Who is Miles Hunt?

LOCAL No.1: You know that song... "These could be the best days of my life, LIFE"... Size of a Cow that one.

LOCAL No.2: Yes and his cover of Dizzy. "I'm so DIZZY my head is spinning..."

LOCAL No.3: These songs sound piss. And he doesn't look like a rock star to me.

C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:47 (twenty years ago)

Ned did you convince any Venezuelans to post??

ILX is known among some -- I'll see if I can persuade some more!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:08 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
Ned, please join us to talk about Venezuelan vs. Colombian joropo:

Si Soy Llenaro: Album of the Yera!

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 4 November 2004 20:09 (twenty years ago)

That should be "Llanero" btw.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 4 November 2004 20:12 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

Anyone been to Venezuela since Ned?

Might have an opportunity to go this summer, very cheap, and with a host who knows his way around. I guess I can't really see any reason not to do it, but feel free to try to talk me into or out of it.

Hurting 2, Thursday, 25 October 2007 14:02 (seventeen years ago)

The political situation is grimmer in general since I went, to put it mildly. But knowing someone who lives there is an immediate help.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 October 2007 14:09 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, that's my understanding, but I'm (rather naively) wondering whether the political situation as it stands would have much bearing on my trip. Also the weakness of the Bolivar against the dollar makes it an attractive choice.

Hurting 2, Thursday, 25 October 2007 14:14 (seventeen years ago)

venezue-rah?

s1ocki, Thursday, 25 October 2007 15:31 (seventeen years ago)

three weeks pass...

My potential host's latest dispatch (re-posted from another board):

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:08 am Post subject: Caracas Reply with quote
Well, the violence continues. This weekend 70 people were murdered in Caracas.....one friend of mine was robbed this weekend at gunpoint at night,
another friend went to a wedding where the groom's parents were carjacked and killed for resisting (they were on the way to the wedding.) and another group of friends chased around by gunmen at night, ....they got away due to my friends James Bond driving. Caracas violence seldom makes headlines because 1.) it is usually poor people who die in areas where the police don't tread, and 2.) the government stopped officially documenting murder rates - any reliable information comes from independent human rights groups.
So is it returning to normalcy after the shooting at university students a few days ago? ? yes, it is consistently violent, and this here is increasingly normal. Baghdad and Caracas may find themselves in competition soon. The next few weeks could be a bad scenes in Caracas with the looming referendum. Stay tuned. The only positive that could come of the reforms is if Chavez is successfully in making this a totalitarian state, at least it might benefit from a strong armed police force that cracks down on criminals in a Stalinesque fashion. The world's worst dictators have done a million deplorable things - but in debates one can always say "they kept crime low!" Of course, Chavez will probably fail on this as well, for he has distributed thousands of guns to supporters in the event of a US invasion where they could rise up to "defend the revolution" - I never suspected I'd live in a country where the idiocy of an anti-US despot could top Enver Hoxha's mushroom resistance bunkers!

So the ever-violent nature of Caracas seems to be increasingly hitting home (previous examples). And no - this doesn't sway me from staying another year. Pros still outweigh the cons. But I def. now don't take the same night walks I used to quite freely - I always felt safe previously, but perhaps my sense of security was based on false premesis and I might have just been lucky. Hard to tell. Just a further note on the randomness - 3 nights ago I was at a food stand and interviewed by RCTV (that banned station from the news in May, now only on available on satellite - the topic was Venezuelan humor. The next day that's where one of my friend's was robbed at gunpoint. It's all in the timing! Wink

The one thing I worry is that ALOT of my students seem to be leaving this year, for a variety of reasons. Sure, smaller class sizes have advantages, but it means less pay (less tuition money), sets a bad tone, and sucks for suddenly seeing students I've become close to the past year just disappear quite suddenly. For example, one favorite student of mine, Francisco, will now probably have to leave Venezuela because of the Spanish king saying shut up - to retaliate against the King, Chavez has revoked the business licenses of some Spanish companies with ties to the Spanish government - Francisco's father works at such a bank, and now he will probably have to leave. It's these little things that make me not entirely disenamored of the idea of someone ___________ the President.

That being said, I still think it's a great place to visit!

Hurting 2, Friday, 16 November 2007 06:20 (seventeen years ago)

More:

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Political violence is the same, but violent crimes do seem to be on the rise - in the barrios it has always been terrible, but there are now very few "safe" areas of the city where you can recommend people can walk about freely even during the day. (though of course the night is much worse.)

In a recent Latin American summit, Chavez was railing on as usual, but started calling the former PM of Spain a "fascist", "in human form but really a demon", etc. The current socialist PM of Spain, Zapatero, was requesting him to be more diplomatic, as the former PM was elected by the people of Spain and thus he is insulting the Spanish people. Chavez kept interrupting him, so the King of Spain steps in and says "Porque no te callas?" (why don't you just shut up?") and then the king left shortly thereafter as Chavez kept yelling (even though his mike was cut off.) The king hasn't said anymore, but of course Chavez won't let this go - hence, his suggestion that Spanish investment is no longer necessary in his country, as the livelihood of hundred s or even thousands of Spanish citizens overnight becomes in jeopardy.

Chavez doesn't (yet) have the control Enver Hoxha had, but what I meant was is that he acts recklessly and without consultation. Hoxha might have been a worse dictator, but whereas Hoxha's mushroom pillbox plan just wasted the resources of time and money, Chavez's "anti US invasion plan" is literally killing people, since all those people with guns, with no US invasion happening, find themselves looking for other people to shoot - such as foreigners, students, and even pregnant mothers. Chavez has encouraged them in their hate, and takes no responsibility for the unorganized campaign of terror these young men (who would happily be cutting off people's limbs if they were placed in Rwanda in 1994) are inflicting on ALL classes of Venezuelans. There was certainly plenty ofracism and prejudice before Chavez (which some in the opposition don't like to admit), but Chavez has been subtly encouraging criminals to 'take what is rightfully theirs' (ie take from anyone with any property, since having property means you must have sold out to the previous corrupt governments and don't deserve it anyway.)

Hurting 2, Friday, 16 November 2007 06:24 (seventeen years ago)

Chavez doesn't (yet) have the control Enver Hoxha had,

this is a bit facile guilt-by-association, like saying that GWB is not yet as bad as Hitler or whatever, likewise the tendentious link to Rwanda. Some of the other comments he makes are interesting, though.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 16 November 2007 10:27 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

This is kind of amazing - 2500 squatters take over a skyscraper in Caracas: Squatters on the Skyline

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 13:33 (fourteen years ago)

That's pretty awesome. I was in Venezuela a few years ago and just couldn't deal with Caracas. My views might be slightly swayed by the fact that i managed to get robbed at gunpoint twice in three days (once by the police) but the scale of the economic inequality dwarfed anything i saw in China. There was a real element of far-right unpleasantness under the surface in a lot of the wealthier quarters. I lost count of the number of book shops with Mein Kampf in the windows and there were openly armed anti-Chavez activists in slick, shiny leather jackboots cruising around on a number of occasions. Even at a very minor level, you're never given a chance to forget who the glitzy private spaces belong to, with armies of security guards patrolling for people sitting in the wrong place or lingering too long near shops they don't belong looking at. It was obviously only a partial picture of a huge, complex city but it seemed clear at the time that a vast amount of the hostility Chavez faces comes from the capital. It was also pretty clear where a lot of the resentment against the rich comes from.

On the other hand, Merida in the Andes is one of the most beautiful, friendly and relaxed placed you could ever wish to visit.

ShariVari, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 17:45 (fourteen years ago)

six years pass...

seems to have gone to hell in a handbasket lately

Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Wednesday, 24 May 2017 15:21 (eight years ago)

one year passes...

Note that "Elliott Abrams" is linked to https://t.co/xo45pD3xnR and "contentious history with Latin America" is linked to https://t.co/Y3Vv3C2K48 about El Mozote. I suspect little elves at the NYT were unhappy about the whitewash & quietly improved it. https://t.co/6FoA2k3rLd

— Jon Schwarz (@schwarz) February 25, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 February 2019 18:53 (six years ago)

two months pass...

the gang at their most conventional

Today interim President Juan Guaido announced start of Operación Libertad. The U.S. Government fully supports the Venezuelan people in their quest for freedom and democracy. Democracy cannot be defeated. #EstamosUnidosVE

— Secretary Pompeo (@SecPompeo) April 30, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 18:02 (six years ago)

Read that last line in the voice of Liberty Prime.

Insert bad pun (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 18:07 (six years ago)


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