Have you guys noticed that ILX is nicer once its nighttime in Europe?

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― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

oh no you didn't.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

define "nice", Mr Littlecock.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

You mean to say that European shut-ins are nicer than American shut-ins?

― The Dreaded Rear Admiral (Leee), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Come to think of it, define "Europe".

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you noticed that meta threads suck ass?

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Europeans can be exceptionally hairy.

there's something great about greying body hair, something noble, I don't know...

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

its cos everyone in europe is too tired to be annoying by that time.

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Europe = TELETUBBYLAND

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Are our servers located in Europe? Maybe once the sun goes down, the servers cool off, contributing to a calm, nocturnal ILX.

― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate myself for everything right now.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I just call it Erp.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG JON U ARE TEHH LAFF RIOT! LOOK! I ZINGED YUO BY POSTEING WILD ANDD TEH CRAZEY CARACTERS! I AM TEHH FUNNEYYTY MANN FROM TEHH EUROP! HAR HAR

― TEHH AWESOME RODNEY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Come to think of it, define "Europe".

Europe needs no definition from Americans, they've defined themselves.

ps. let Turkey in.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

300 Replies By Morning? (in europe)

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

night is when we take it to the streets

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Europe doesn't have "morning", not in the American sense anyway. You couldn't understand if you tried.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

there's a German word for this but it requires surgery.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

CONTINENTAL BREAKFAST

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Try pronouncing it like Jean Chrétien : "Europs".

― Séastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

gemütlich

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon Williams do you wear Adidas?

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the thread where we Americans list the things that happen regularly in America so that the Non-Americans can know what it is exactly that they should hate us for.

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

AdamL, I am wearing Adidas shoes right now!@!@

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

sundials.

― Huck, Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.rwdmag.com/gallery/images/60x60/slim560rwd.jpg

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.blueyondergiftbaskets.com/cartoon_family_of_pineapple_bounce_md_wht.gif

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

wow.

that's fucking amazing.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP000/P050/P05008B82HK.jpg

― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

TIME TO MAKE WITH THE NICE

ihttp://www.traxel.com/img/day_night_europe.jpg

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

ALMOST

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

You have to hit enter after the URL to make it into a pretty picture.

― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

lies

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

What's your deal with Europeans, Jon? We don't like you enough?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.lct-consultants.org/news/europeans.jpg

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I find it odd than the majority of people who don't like me seem to come from one place.

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll give you a hint, Tuomas, and it's an old thread of yours:

What's the deal with Americans and nudity? [WORK-SAFE AGANE HURRAH]

naaahmean?

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

To be fair, Jon, a lot of Canadians don't like you either.

― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn us liberal, harassment-hating, pro-gay Europeans!

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Sarcasm-impaired

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

who do you think I voted for last Presidential election Tuomas?

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon, if you want to be naked, I think all of us are comfortable with that.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

And why is there an implication that I'm "anti-gay".

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Aren't the Boredoms always naked when they're on their little commune?

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"Liberal" was a response to Adam, I meant liberal in attitude, not liberal in politics.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

b-b-but I love nudity.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I find it odd than the majority of people who don't like me seem to come from one place.
-- Whiskeytown Littlecock
To be fair, Jon, a lot of Canadians don't like you either.

-- St. Nicholas

Yeah, Jon, I was gonna say... the majority of them come from earth?

Heheheh.

― martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Though, funnily enough, the European "liberal" politicians are usually right-wingers. Why is it that in the US liberal = left-wing? Isn't liberalism a right-wing ideology?

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― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

have you ever written a post longer than 100 characters, jon?

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't liberalism a right-wing ideology?

no, it isn't, even in Europe.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

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i actually think the american usage of liberal is beginning to increase here now. i never really used to see it much used in that way, outside of certain quarters. but it is beginning to be more visible now, to mean the same as in america.

i wonder if this is because of the decline of the left in this country. i wonder if the term socialist will die out altogether in describing british 'leftists' at some point

― charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

decline or co-optation?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyhow, I love Europeans.

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Thinks aren't that good in Finland either, social democrats have made a noticeable move to the right (they were in the same government with Finland's main right-wing party, for chrissakes), and the Leftist Union is mostly powerless to fight against them. What we need is a new, dynamic Left-Wing party, the Leftist Union doesn't get much votes from young people.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

The Green Party has been getting more and more votes, but they have both leftists and rightists in their ranks, and I don't think the green ideology (as much as I'm in favour of it) is enough to vote them.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

we should all move to Spain.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm moving to the Azores.

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry about that rant, Finnish politics aren't probably that interesting to you...

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Liberalism as a laissez-faire, individualist philosophy that was anti-government control, anti-religious establishment, etc... was to the 'left' of the Tories in many respects. In the U.S. the agricultural party, the Democrats, always supported free-trade , the industrial party supported tariffs to protect American industry. As American industry prospered (and in conjunction with the official ideology of the British Empire), American industry began to clamor for free trade as well.

European economic liberalism was often imposed from above and often came to grief, i.e. Law under the Régence or the utter failure of German liberals to unite in 1848. Where in all nations working men and women started to clamor for illiberal solutions to the systemic problems inherent in capitalism, the original American liberals, who had been agrarian populists and small 'mom and pop' entrepreneurs (too bad the French don't have a word for that) favored ameliorative solutions whereas the more 19th century social darwinist/industrial plutocrats thought the system was just fine. In Europe, where state planning had been made hugely more necessary during the Great War, liberals started losing out to Socialists even toward the end of the 19th century. Many marxist and socialist parties assimilated the personal liberty progressive aspects of liberalism and soon it was only associated with laissez-faire economics in Europe.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm convinced that the Azores are just like the cartoon island that they all visit in Bedknobs and Broomsticks.

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

What about Canada? Do Canadian leftists call themselves socialists?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Or social democrats?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

There is, of course, a Liberal Party in Canada. Both countries have both real socialists and real liberals. There are more socialists in Canada.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

In the U.S. the agricultural party, the Democrats, always supported free-trade , the industrial party supported tariffs to protect American industry.

I don't think it's fair to call the Democrats "the agricultural party." After all, the origins of the Republican party lie in "Free Soil."

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.wessexhort.co.uk/products/PEAT-FREE+SOIL+IMPROVER2.png

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

typical faux-European arrogance there, amateur!st.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

huh? "faux-european"? no, i just had a vision of a political party giving away free enhanced soil as an incentive to voting.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

also you missed a chance to write "the ROOTS of the republican party lie in 'free soil.'"

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

im not sure. i think its a weird mix of decline and co-optation. the way the so called leftist elements have buckled under blair, and park the shoes neatly under the table is demoralizing to say the least.

but, also the decline of hard-left parties, which, arguably has been going on since the mid70s, is also depressing. i saw a communist party car campaigning during the last election in hackney, and all 5 people (in a mini!) were aged over 70.

that said, i guess the existence of the socialist alliance is something, and maybe a good deal more practical than the pie in the sky communist parties and leagues that littered the 60s in britain (and whose unchallenging allegiance to either stalin or mao cost them much support in wider circles)

― charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Free Soil, is free for people who will settle the frontier. The agricultural establishment of the South, and even Illinois, Ohio, etc..was either majority Democrat or had plenty of them there.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

amateur!st please read up on American history or risk sounding like a European.

Michael - for starters: "The Republican Party grew out of resistance to the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854, which overrode the Missouri Compromise and allowed slavery to spread into Western territory by popular sovereignty. "Anti-Nebraska" men included anti-slavery Whigs, Democrats, Free Soilers, reformers, and abolitionists."

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i know what "free soil" means you ninny!

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

also the abolition movement's (which was very m uch tied up with the Free Soil Party/nascent Republican Party) stronghold was pretty much in Ohio

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

you're the ninny, Mr. I-lived-in-France!

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

tu es con

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread made me think about that conversation between Günter Grass and Bourdieu, where they discussed the enlightenment, and how there is the impression of a loss of meaning of this tradition: explainable by a flip of vision of the world incarnated by the neoliberal revolution. The neoliberal revolution is a conservative revolution that is very strange: it reestablish the past and present itself as progressive, they transform regression into progress so it makes look those fighting this regression as being regressive themselves. People fighting real terror looking like terrorist themselves, that might be why people like Bourdieu and Grass are being treated or archaic, dinosaurs etc

The conservative revolution sell the neoliberalism label, getting back to 19e s. manchester liberalism. The force of this neoliberalism is that it's applied by socialists (it'S a year 2000 interview I think): schroeder, blair, jospin, are evoking socialism to do neoliberalism, so this makes the analysis and critic difficult: everything is upside down.

Grass then said it makes the state deprived of power in such a way anarchists would never have dreamt of :-> he never would have thought arriving at a point in his life to reclaim more State so they can do their regulatory role... to that Bourdieu said , well, this flip can seem to paradoxaly bring them to defend stuff that is not completely worth defending but they are not condem to getting back at simply "more State" but rather, encourage to invent new state! Thought that was inspiring, and friendly to an anarchist vision of economy like parecon.

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks, amateur!st. Really elevatin' the ol' discourse there.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought we were exchanging witty banter! you confuse me lately.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

No offense, Hstencil, but I'm not in the mood to get into the arcana of Republican and Democrat history. I was speaking very broadly (referring not only to the 1850's but to the better part of the 19th century) to someone who does not have American references to polical terminology and trying to keep it simple.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

calling someone a ninny is much nicer than calling them an idiot.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

but it's the only insult i know in french!

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

yup, ilx is REALLY nice right now since all of those argumentative euros are in bed.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

non, tu blagues. on est copains!

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

j'aime jerry lewis.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you mean to write "t'aime," lauren.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

'con' is not the same as idiot. It's related to British 'cunt'.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

ah, even better.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

m. white a raison. c'est plutot fort, "con."

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Why? She wrote, "I love Jerry Lewis".

Con also means 'mean', 'stupid', 'pointless'.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

amateur!st

Ou est-ce que tu as vecu en France?

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.base58.com/ilx/oscar.jpg

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I could just imagine amateur!st being a big Jerry Lewis fan, is all.

THAT'S NOT AN INSULT!

(and if it was, it's not nearly as strong as "con." seriously my feelings are kinda hurt.)

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

non, hstencil, je te plaisantais. comme j'ai dit, on est copains! bizous.

m. white: j'ai vecu a paris et puis a montreuil.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I am not that easy, dude.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Sheesh!

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, okay, who am I kidding? I'm totally easy.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey there, Mr. 'Free-Soil', whatch doin' later on? I got some seed here for ya. *Wink wink*

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

throw in some pictures of Fremont and I'm yours.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

http://home.earthlink.net/~hdanaher/images/97.jpg

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

snap!

seriously though let's blame it all on David Ricardo.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

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