Big Brother (UK 2004) - The Vinegar Strokes: thread 9

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Big Brother (UK 2004) - Chain of fools: thread 8

So, here we are in the last week:

Apparently Wednesday's eviction will be a complete surprise, with the unlucky housemate simply called to the Diary Room and removed during a party, with the other housemates to be told at some point later on.

Also, I missed the Jason wanking incident, but I'm curious as to why Endemol chose to show it. They seem to only show it when people are trying to hide it (think Ray last year), whereas the way round it seems to be upfront about it. Apparently in BB1 Craig cracked one off directly into camera every morning for the last couple of weeks, safe in the knowledge they would never use it.

Michelle has been dull in the extreme.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 2 August 2004 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I had heard about Craig's wanking but not that he actually did it directly into the camera. All over the wall?

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 2 August 2004 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to confess to not knowing the exact details of where Little Craig was directed. Apparently though, yes.

I've read a couple of claims Ahmed did the same thing more than once this series.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 2 August 2004 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Michelle has a Beyonce-esque dead-eye no-comment attitude. I suppose there's no reason to begrudge her success, should it in factoccur, but she's a bit withholding, no?

― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 2 August 2004 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a feeling that Michelle, like Jade, is never going to go away.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 2 August 2004 10:01 (twenty-one years ago)

2 days later and she poured everything out to the Daily Star on Sunday, at least 4 pages of the stuff.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 2 August 2004 10:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Teh Jade Story is a total mystery to me. She had a kid with some guy (Jeff) and then split up with him, right? What's the big deal? What does she do?

xpost

Oooh, what was in the Star?

― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 2 August 2004 10:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I am so happy michelle is gone, although it's quite worrying how much stu is enjoying chocolate. I mean the dude closed his eyes ffs! Anyway, Davina's interview was slightly off on Friday, but i'm sure that was just because she didnt like michelle & knew that her story would appear in a tabloid!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Monday, 2 August 2004 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Latest Betfair odds:

Nadia: 1.23
Jason: 14.5
Daniel 16.5
Stuart: 22
Shell: 42

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 2 August 2004 10:17 (twenty-one years ago)

At his highest point, Jason was trading at 240, meaning that a pound stake would have won you £240 back.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 2 August 2004 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

An interviewer does not 'like' it when they meet with a sharktoothed 'no comment' in most situations - it can come off as snotty. The best, most diplomatic thing to do would be to say the beast has two backs and therefore one has to agree with the other party what will be said.

Bullies always say they were joking, but whether you take them at their word...I didn't with Michelle. I did like Shell going 'what's your girlfriend's name, Suart?' and him going all d'oh.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 2 August 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Davina disliked her because Davina was Michelle, more or less, ten years ago: they share that same totally directionless drive for fame, and will go to any lengths, including shagging Enoch Clapton, to get it.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 2 August 2004 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you implying Michelle is a turps nudger?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 2 August 2004 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"sharktoothed"

sadly i think a huge part of the reason i am still watching this borefest is so that i can read and contribute to these threads. They are 10X more entertaining than the show is now.

― jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 2 August 2004 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

DS:BB

Michelle has revealed her plans for life on the outside with Stu - she wants to settle down and have kids.

The aspiring glamour model, 24 - dubbed a 'bunny boiler' by the press - described 20-year-old Stu as the "love of my life."

"He is genuine, loving and imaginative. If I were looking for my ideal man he would tick all my boxes," she said at the weekend.

"I know I've only known Stuart for nine weeks but at some point in my life I want to settle down and have kids - and he is the one I want to do that with. I thank Big Brother for bringing him into my life."

― jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 2 August 2004 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

and 'Vinegar Strokes'

huh?

― Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 2 August 2004 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Vinegar Strokes:

The end of something. Named after the face a chap might pull at the end of a bout of sexual activity, which looks like he's drinking vinegar. Seemed particularly apt, given the Jason wanking footage. I can't be the only one that uses this phrase, surely?

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 2 August 2004 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=vinegar+strokes&b=1

― koogs (koogs), Monday, 2 August 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

According to the Endemol insider who posts on DS: as of this morning, Nadia ahead of Jason and Dan, but not by much. They're the only three contenders though, and Jason is the one with the momentum.

I would expect Dan to fall away after today's diary room footage is shown when Dan, once more, said to camera that he didn't want to win and that the whole thing was a little vulgar. The only thing the GBP hates more than a bad loser is a bad winner.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 2 August 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Jason is the most loathesome man in Britain.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 2 August 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Funniest bit of the whole series was when they were making puppets of each other, and The Most Intelligent Man In Britain said that there would have to be an even number of them for them to all be able to do someone other than themselves!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 2 August 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked his desperate attempt to look interesting in the final week: winding a ball of wool around the house.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 2 August 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Like YEAH it's totally a good ball of wool, y'know Shell-bob?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 2 August 2004 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

he is so awful.

I want Shell or Dan to win. Can't stand Nadia and Jason's just a tool.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 2 August 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I so want Shell to win, but it's just not going to happen. Ah, Shell.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 2 August 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I alternate between thinking "ah Shell" and that she's just a bit too posh.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

dan or shell will do me, but neither will happen, so.....

― jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

So, basically, Jason and Dan are good bets if there is an even chance of nadia actually not winning?

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 06:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Jason is such a douchebag. I'm just deeply sorry that Dan hasn't started calling him Bitch's Nipple.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 06:52 (twenty-one years ago)

dan or shell will do me, but neither will happen, so.....
-- jed (c_o_har...) (webmail), August 3rd, 2004. (link)

Yes, but who do you want to win? (legs it..)

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 06:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm glad Shell's going on Wednesday, considering her sole contribution to this year's show has been to get her arse out and then faint.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)

You haven't got a clue.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, there was her riveting discussion on feminism...

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:14 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck off, shell has contributed much more than freakin' stu or nadia!!

― ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Nadia, yes. Stu is more questionable. It's now what he's contributed rather what's happened around him. Channel 4 are still complete tools for not showing the Dan/Victor/Jason discussion of Team Handsome.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Channel 4 are still complete tools for not showing the Dan/Victor/Jason discussion of Team Handsome.

????

I still like Shell for that defiant "you're a complete fucking cunt but I'm dancing with you anyway" line.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

what was said re TH? or do you mean they silenced it? perhaps it was predictable that ilx wd eventually side with dan and shall, ie the contestants most like ilx0rs, but so it goes.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't find a full transcript of it, but here's one of the fan site's precises:

Some of his closest allies took the mickey out of baby-faced Stuart this morning, over his membership to the exclusive club known as 'Team Handsome'.

Just in case you didn't know, Team Handsome, or TH as it's known, is the kind-of secret gentlemen's association inexplicably formed by Stu and three of his school chums, after they played a game of footy as the 'skins', i.e. topless.

The team is still very much in operation, but quite what they get up-to apart from looking dashing is anybody's guess?

Anyway, having already given the group a right giggle the other night by revealing the TH logo on his painted plate, the psychology student took flak from Michelle, Dan, Vic and Jay today over the sheer pomposity of it all.

Referring to the absent housemate's little gang, Michelle said, "You (just) don't call your team 'Team Handsome'!" "It's like calling your son Romeo", offered Victor, continuing to mock.

Jason then suggested some potential names for team members, including, 'Fabio, Zeus and Adonis' and Dan ridiculed the way that Stu had recently tried to suggest he was just a kid when it all started, but kept it all going anyway.

But when the man himself came back, Jay couldn't resist asking who the leader of the pack was, with Victor suggesting that it was probably Stuart 'Too Handsome' Wilson himself!

When Vic speculated that members would be turned away for not being good-looking enough, Stu insisted, "It wasn't about looks, it was about a way of life".

Clearly though, having seen the other three members of Team Handsome, they all fancy themselves a bit.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:25 (twenty-one years ago)

What has this to do with whether Stuart should stay in the house longer than Shell?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"It wasn't about looks, it was about a way of life".

hahahahahahhahahaahahaha!

― jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)

The whole TH thing makes me really want to hate stu. I mean how pretentious is that? Also, all of his mates are fucking ugly!!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Like we haven't all been practising Team Handsome super-secret hand-signals in private.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:34 (twenty-one years ago)

He's just a kid. You know how groups of boys hang out and think their in jokes and ironic sense of humour are the funniest things ever? Leave him be. He's just a bit dull.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:34 (twenty-one years ago)

He's dull & a complete lap dog that has no back bone! How that can be construed as 'handsome' is beyond me!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Team Invertebrate Poodle was rejected at an early stage in their career.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The only time he gets animated is when he's acting all "team handsome" lad bonding rituals. Either on his own or with that 'video message'.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Team-Mate would be a better name.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Even sex with michelle, where she's sighing 'yes yes' and he's going 'mmm maybe, yeah.'

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)

He'll definately get a shut eye with a bang when he leaves the house. He'll still go out with michelle for at least 5 years cos he's scared of her, though.

― jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Wednesday: The expelled housemate will go in the middle of a party, i.e. get called to the diary room and 'never get seen again'.....

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

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Steve M, there's nothing wrong with Rip. Rig & Panic. Are you thinking of Amazulu? I know I am.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Excuse me but if you have been in RR&P you could also be Neneh Cherry and you have tentacles which reach out from Ladbroke Grove and Bristol right across the fashion and music world. That whole Cameron McVey/Massive Attack/Wild Bunch grouping would make an excellent Vanity Fair connections diagram.

If you already know in your head what that diagram looks like, you know Miquita Oliver will never be short of work.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Liz out of Blue Peter appeared on the show wearing a t-shirt with a huge no. 69 on the front. And it was a Magnetic Fields top. She's nice.

What is Shell going to do now that BB is over? This is U+K.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 09:02 (twenty-one years ago)

She's going to parade around outside your window wearing lurid indie t-shirt designs.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 09:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Naked Ground Force

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)

today i will only be loooking at this thread and hitting apple-R from time to time.

and my real actual work obv

thank you

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 09:06 (twenty-one years ago)

She says she's going to feck off home and stay there, hiding out until everyone forgets who she is.

I reckon she'll start designing her own clothes and modelling them as well.

I really want to come to this coke soiree.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)

you know in cartoons or ads for tea or coffee when kettles have elongated cartoon faces and speak? THAT'S what I meant.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you mean like Mrs Potts from Beauty and the Beast?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 09:53 (twenty-one years ago)

now i see what you mean Ronan!

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Mrs Potts was voiced by Angela Lansbury, who really did look like a mouse.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Dom is more of a teapot. I am Lumiere.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Dom is more of a teapot.

Are you accusing me of being short and stout?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"We'll be right back with more People Who Look Like Things..."

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Why do people think I'm indie?!?!?

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Because you played a Ride record at the last Club FT!

― Ricardo (RickyT), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)

(boyincorduroy@yahoo.deletethisbit.com),

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh for heavens's sake. I barely wear corduroy, and I got that email address 7 years ago!! And it was only one Ride record - I played funk and cock-rock and hip hop the rest of the time, but no-one calls me MC Bald Cunt or Baldmaster Funk, do they?

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

One Ride record is all it takes.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

and a recorder

― Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:16 (twenty-one years ago)

no-one calls me MC Bald Cunt or Baldmaster Funk, do they?

Is this actually true?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:17 (twenty-one years ago)

So far it's true.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

MC Bazza Lazza, fo shizzle.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

text from my sister: 'Oh yeah a j said he made up the bisexual slept with 250 women thing just to get into the house'

apparently the saga continues on T4. Nadia has not sold her story, Shell has stripped off, and Jason want smash Channel 4.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Shell fans should be happy, as apparently she's getting £33,000 for her story, compared to just £5,000 for Daniel's.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:39 (twenty-one years ago)

so why do we reckon jason didn't go to the BBQ? wouldn't this have been in the contract? do the contestants get paid anything for appearing on the show, even if they don't win? x

― stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

he seemed well narked even on eviction night.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:46 (twenty-one years ago)

The story was that he went to see his family in Scotland.

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:46 (twenty-one years ago)

he was allowed to do this?? its weird... it seems very awkward. i felt for his superfan at the bbq.

― stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i think it's about 30 pounds a day appearance fee. victor and dan were talking about it one night.

― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Jason was apparently shocked to discover he was seen as the other kind of Number Two upon leaving the house, and when debriefed by shrinks found out about his mum coming forward and all the stuff written about him, and was mortified as his perception was 180 degrees away from that. Also Nadia's cousins had a right go at him for his less than gentlike comments in the house, which might have ended up in a drama where Nadia refused to attend the picnic if he did but it seems more likely he just snuck home to lick his wounds. It's sad, but he died by his own hand, as it were.

Oh and as if that's the last £5000 Dan's going to get from the media. He's probably the first contestant who'd be better at presenting than any of his interviewers - he's meant to have had TONS of offers.

I'm glad Nadia is not selling her story; I like this person who told Jason that he'd see it was never about the money because this person is a lot more astute than we thought.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:53 (twenty-one years ago)

> He's probably the first contestant who'd be better at presenting than any of his interviewers

his attempt at co-presenting his own eviction interview was cringeworthy though

― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:56 (twenty-one years ago)

When did the 'Nadia is a virgin' thing come out?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought it was funny. You may not agree. However my specific demographic likes his Jarvis/Marc Almond vibe.

30 quid sounds more like a per diem - the cash they'd get for coffee, fags, etc when out on C4 business. They'll have a clothes allowance or a stylist borrowing for them, and then they'll have a fee (I think there's an equity/Bectu minimum).

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Pro-Dan press funnier than the Star re: Shell/Stu eviction...

http://www.thisishull.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=136265&command=displayContent&sourceNode=136248&contentPK=10725247

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

> I thought it was funny. You may not agree.

it was more the fact that davina was expecting it to be a more traditional interview which requires different timing. Led to him and Davina trying to talk at the same time on occasions and long gaps on others, from what i remember. and his attempt at involving the crowd fell flat on its face.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/threecounties/read_this/big_brother/big_brother_2003/facts.shtml

* A subsistence payment is made to all participants as a contribution to help pay for out-of-pocket expenses (such as rent) while they are in the house. This is a flat fee and is not tied to an individual's loss of earnings, but is based on jury service payments and is around £30 per day.

(series 4 values)

― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

It was quite clear that Daniel was Davina's favourite and that she had been rooting for him to win. I reckon she told him as much when she whispered to him as he stepped thry the gates.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

That Domestos advert can be mere weeks away.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I was offered £49 a day when I did jury service in 1999.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I suppose travelling expenses are lower when one is in the BB house.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

£30 a day for seventy days when everything is being paid for already isn't a bad deal.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, rent/mortgage and bills on wherever you already live is all there is to cover I guess, and even then you might be able to (sub)let or just move at the right time.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I caught the end of the last episode on Sunday - the best bit to catch. When they were showing the empty house and playing sound clips of things that happened in the parts of the house they were showing, the hairs on my neck stood on end. Could have done without hearing the Michelle/Stu heavy breathing again though.

Dan's mic technique was terrible - very poppy Bs and Ps, which he could have avoided if he'd talked across the top of it and not straight into the end of it.

― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah that empty house w. sound thing is like the end of 'before sunrise'.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

They did that last year too, didn't they? It is as eerie as they intend.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I think they always do it.

― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

when BB2 ended i remember they had the camera floating off from the house into space and lots of reverb over Bryan's 'I CAN SEE DEMONS' exclaimations...

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

ha, by space i mean just a few dozen feet off the ground like

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Like in 'Grease'.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

When did the 'Nadia is a virgin' thing come out?

It was on the very first BB5 show, wasn't it?

Dan is going to be on our BBC local news programme in a few minutes. I am strangely looking forward to it.

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

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