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some of the dialogue is straight out of the generic-rom-com-scripts dumpster, and much of the acting seems stiff as two toffs after a week on a viagra diet, but other than that, this was okay, and not half as bad as it seemed. you have to pretty much forget that half the plot is risibly implausible though.

im giving it a potential, if unlikely, C------------------------.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

It looks horrible from the trailers. I shan't be watching it.

― Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Embarrassing. No chemistry between the leads renders the whole thing unbelievable on every level. TV by numbers. Terrible. F-

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

The amount of hype this series has been getting in the press is ridiculous.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

waste of money too, all the on-location filming must have set them back a few bob. but yeah, the lack of real chemistry makes them seem so wooden (the american girl especially), i fail to believe how the british guy ever really gets wooden for her.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

There was definitely something odd about the acting and/or script - it felt like all the characters were entirely isolated from each other, in the way they spoke their lines. No chemistry *at all*.

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

It was cheesy, that makes it good in my book.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 08:55 (twenty-one years ago)

all i could glean was that none of the Merkins actually seemed to be actually Merkin - were they *all* played by Brits?

Awful awful script, rubbish acting, preposterous premise, not especially likeable characters...it's like "As If" for grown-ups and I'm hooked, like a total fucking sucking sucker.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I watched five minutes about half way through. I thought it sounded like a dim-witted Briton's idea of what Americans talk like. Also the split screen was needless and distracting. Dud.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

transatlantic relationship people to thread!

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh good.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Question 1: Is your house split-screen?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I put my notes on the LDR thread.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay! NY:Lon!

I made notes, they don't make much sense:

* Dear American girl I gave all my money to, I love you I think
* Loft apartment - Capital City - Random annoying kid
* Preganant Ex - Dead junkie
* Crappy Strokes-esque band
* Everywhere looks better at night
* Crazy British stalker guy!!
* Kurt from Teachers
* His buzz was totally harshed - followed by old cliche of "tomorrow, I might be dead"
* I didn't find the main guy so punchable after all, the main girl is still cute.
* Whisky in a paper bag, all New York apartments have those big metal fire escapes on the outside - I've seen Spiderman.
* The theme tune is total Dawson's rock.

Overall, it's fairly terrible. I LIKE IT.

-- jel -- (freeduni...) (webmail), August 25th, 2004 10:49 AM.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I also gave my thoughts in the LDR thread. I'm not sure they're worth pasting.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)

It was strangely refreshing to have a love story where the woman is relatively poor and worthy and the man is rich.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:26 (twenty-one years ago)

It was a good point you made about email N.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Suze from As:If never appeared, despite being in the adverts.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i noticed this news article yesterday:

'NY-LON' SOUNDTRACK
The soundtrack for the new Channel 4 drama series 'Ny-Lon' - set in London and New York - has a suitably translantic soundtrack with Brit rockers Snowpatrol and the Charlatans rubbing shoulders with hip NY punk funksters the Rapture and Radio 4. The show kicks off tomorrow night, with the soundtrack out on 13 Sep.

The track listing is:

Kid Symphony - 'She Lives In New York City'
The Charlatans - 'Up At The Lake'
Snow Patrol - 'Spitting Games'
Bell XI - 'Eve, The Apple Of My Eye'
Chungking - 'High Heels'
Tender Trap - 'Oh Katrina'
Akaizia Parker - 'Tuesday's Girl'
The Rapture - 'Open Up Your Heart'
Radio 4 - 'Eyes Wide Open'
Razorlight - 'Action'
The Eighties Matchbox B-Line Disaster - 'Chicken'
Joy Zipper - 'If I'm Right'
Kosheen - 'Wasting My Time'
Josh Rouse - 'Rise'
I Am Kloot - 'Proof'
The Sleepy Jackson - 'Mourning Rain'
Sia - 'Breathe Me'
Hal Lindes - 'Ny-Lon Theme'

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:32 (twenty-one years ago)

copying "Teachers" with a branded CD

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The bit I saw had gratuitous Thrills.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

What was the instrumental music played right at the start? Was that original? I really liked it and then it got blown away by some rubbish indie (I can't remember what).

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:36 (twenty-one years ago)

The soundtrack was very annoying, like Teachers. Not so much for the songs themselves, but for the way they were crammed in. Worst bit, as alluded to by PJ Miller, was when she went back to America and he was sad so it was like "Quick - stick on that song that goes 'Just don't go back to Big Sur'!"

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The worst thing aboutt hat scene was when it went into split scene and for one delicious moment I thought he was going to have a wank. But he didn't.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

YES! whoever said it was like as if but set in london and NYC is spot on! as if sucks too.

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 10:16 (twenty-one years ago)

get out

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)

does anyone know what that song that sounded really like bowie's five years was?

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

the real question is: Will Green Wing be any cop?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

not if that advert with the woman cramming all the donuts in her bag is anything to go by. it looks like smack the pony.

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it is a British attempt at Scrubs but made by the people who did Things To Do Before You're 30 or whatever it was called. Hm.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

there was a really great drama-comedy series that used to be on friday nights called the little room or something. they should bring that back. had this guy who looks a bit like richard littlejohn living with his flatmate talking to himself and going shopping and shagging students who he met at parties and things like that. was really good TV.

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

does anyone know what that song that sounded really like bowie's five years was?

argh this is U&K! what makes it even more annoying is that I'm pretty sure I own the song in question, I just can't source the damn thing.

In conclusion: if Richard Curtis scripted "As If" with half the cast of "Lock Stock" and a handful of Brian de Palma DVDs in his hand, "NY-LON" would be the result.

Xpost you're talking about Peepshow aren't you, splooge? That was fucking brilliant.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

thats the one! peepshow was brilliant! i hope they havent got rid of that yet.

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 10:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Green Wing will suck beyond all measure. It looks even less funny that American hospital comedy.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Green Wing could well be the worst new show on Channel 4 this year. And I'm including Flipside in that.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Channel 4 are churning these out - but how many remember the med-dramacom from earlier this year?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

No Angels?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The time is right for series 2 of Metrosexuality.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

The time will never be right for that. NEVER!

― Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Surgical Spirit?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/images/640/onlywhenilaugh.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

they should bring back that medical carry on/naked gun spoof-like series that channel 5 broadcast on their very first day if they want do something with doctors and nurses.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Episode 2 in 5 mins!

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

is it just me or do all the american characters in this seem like really corny americans? theyre like americans who learnt to be american from TV (most probably from shows like this).

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

American character gets to work and immediately puts the Yeah Yeah Yeahs on: LOOK I'M TRYING TO SHOW WHAT A NEW YORKER I AM

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

im waiting for these oh so british flatmates to go to a pub and play oasis all night.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

real new yorkers play the strokes innit

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I do like it, and I think the two central characters are great, esp. Michael, but a major weakness (apart from the incessant rock jukebox) is that all the others, with the exception of his flatmate, seem to be complete imbeciles. I don't know if they've done this to make Michael and Edie look special, as a way of making their feelings for each other seem more understandable to the viewer. If so, that's a weakness of writing.

The Welsh girl is/was great, though.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i just watched it for the first time tonight, it seemed alright.. not really a classic, but not really dud. kinda sad. too.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope this 'are they/arent they' status doesnt get prolonged for much longer. a show about translatlantic couples needs to have it's main couple getting together for a little while, at least.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

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That was a rubbish last episode. It was a complete mess and Michael stopped being cool at all.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 00:14 (twenty years ago)

At which point the cast of 'Preston Front' come in and look bemused.

Haha Preston Front! I loved that! So much so that I wrote this...the things one does for a dollar or two.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:55 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha, that episode was GRATE!!! Best one yet! They argued and argued and then they BROKE UP BECAUSE THEY REALISED IT WAS STUPID, like most LDRs do.

I was most satisfied with that ending. No one ended up happy. Hurrah!

― what katie didn't do, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:09 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I was pleased that they didn't go for a happy ending

(but it was still rub)

― caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:03 (twenty years ago)

does anyone think the show actually 'demystified'/deglamourised New York for a British audience that no show before (British or American) had done? good thing or bad thing? conscious/intentional or otherwise?

― Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:05 (twenty years ago)

It certainly looked shit. You may be right.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:06 (twenty years ago)

i quite liked her apartment

― Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:15 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but you'd have to hang out with her rubbish friends if you lived there.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:18 (twenty years ago)

One of her friends had some cool boots. There wasn't anything else appealing about them, though.

(Gah, after reading this thread I now have the theme music stuck in my head)

― caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:20 (twenty years ago)

Is that the bit written by Amelia Fletcher or something.

I can't even think what the theme tune is.

I really liked that steel drummy bit that came in a few minutes into some of the early episodes.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:24 (twenty years ago)

i was surprised with how it ended, but i thought it was ok. it was a painful episode to watch, because if i wanted to watch people shout at each other, i'd have a boyfriend of my own to argue with and listen to.

but i was glad they didn't go for the fake-sweet ending and just kind of left it on a somewhat optimistic yet bitter note. hurrah. if this had been made in the US, they would have ended up in a white wedding.

― colette (a2lette), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:31 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't it a UK-US co-production? I may have imagined this.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:54 (twenty years ago)

i thought it was all done by channel 4. i didn't notice any US network info...

― colette (a2lette), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:56 (twenty years ago)

NY:PALvision makes Teh Big Apple look a lot more ordinary

― Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:58 (twenty years ago)

My flatmate was convinced that all that 'Americans' were actually English and putting on accidents, saying things like "They're so obviously not American!"

I assumed they were all real, except for maybe the ridiculous one whose husband left her.

You're probably right about it being only C4. I don't know where I got the co-production notion from.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 12:00 (twenty years ago)

their teeth were too good for them to be British

I don't know where I got the co-production notion from

one would be forgiven for assuming C4 wouldn't be able to scrape the cash together to go film on location like that, but then it WAS a record year for BB txts (again)

― Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 12:04 (twenty years ago)

i figured that they probably hired people in each place, rather than try to find people that could fake the accents. the chucked wife's accent was weird, but there's people that talk like that both here and there. accents get muddy if people stay here long enough. my friends at home mock me for my 'english intonation' (although my parents are proud that i haven't picked up a completely fake accent)

― colette (a2lette), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 12:09 (twenty years ago)

Oh, no -- I missed the end of NY-LON!

― the bellefox, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 12:47 (twenty years ago)

I FEEL CHEATED!

I mean, geez, I sat through 7 of weeks of them arguing! And they go and break up anyway! Twits!

I guess they will just make a second series.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago)

I guess they will not, judging by the ratings.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:14 (twenty years ago)

They could put an animated special on the DVD box set?

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:15 (twenty years ago)

That is a good idea.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago)

I'll get going with the script, someone see if Tony Hart is free to draw some stuff.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:34 (twenty years ago)

you should draw it

― Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:34 (twenty years ago)

in fact i expect you to direct it using puppets you made yourself, out of, yes, nylon

― Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago)

okay, check back in a week, I'll see what I can do.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago)

I think the puppets should (ironically) be made of cotton, to give jel something to tell people on museum tours, or making nostalgia shows about the animated NY:LON in years hence.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago)

"You know the puppets in NY:LON were actually made of cotton" = the top Use Other Facts Please of the 2020s.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago)

I'm thinking...felt cut-outs stuck on pencils. I could make a little stage out of a shoe box and some toilet rolls.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago)

CO:TON

― Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:00 (twenty years ago)

Buxton and Cornish will be proud

― Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago)

The few fragments of this I saw led me to believe it might have been worse than Metrosexuality. I therefore decided to avoid it like the plague.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago)

It wasn't *that* bad. But then, very little is.

― caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:12 (twenty years ago)

it was a painful episode to watch, because if i wanted to watch people shout at each other, i'd have a boyfriend of my own to argue with and listen to.

This is exactly why it was *good* for me to watch it. All it made me think was "my god, I'm so much better off without this crap!"

― Danger Whore (kate), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:28 (twenty years ago)

Is jel making progress on his puppets?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:30 (twenty years ago)

The thing is though, their arguments were just so SHIT! They weren't even thinking it through, they were just pouting like pre-teens and basically saying "you're a poo-poo head" and "if I can't have it, no-one can" and suchlike. It's obvious the scriptwriter's never actually had a decent shouting match in his/her life. Feh.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:53 (twenty years ago)

oh no i missed it :\ is there going to be a repeat sometime this week? (on E4 or somthing?)

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:57 (twenty years ago)

I've decided to make some NY:Lon inspired artwork as well, need to go to the art shop! The puppets may have to be longterm project.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:18 (twenty years ago)

i'd settle for a one page comic strip in your inimitable style :)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:22 (twenty years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/jel2004/nylon.jpg

peace out, love jel

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 8 October 2004 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Awesome. The actual show doesn't seem so good anymore. What is Seth doing on the floor? I can't even remember who Seth is.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 8 October 2004 18:25 (twenty years ago)

nice job jel!

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 8 October 2004 18:33 (twenty years ago)

haha classic.

― cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:05 (twenty years ago)

haha jel you should do some of these on freaky trigger.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:39 (twenty years ago)

Thanks dudes!

Seth was the creepy record shop guy, who was watching Eadie via the security cameras or just lurking in the background. Perhaps I'm the only person who picked up on this sub-plot. In the picture, he is lying on the floor with his tongue out and dribbling.

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 9 October 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago)

that's another thing that annoyed me about NY-LON. There were so many sub-plots that they hinted at, and they didn't do anything with them. If they developed any of them, for example that Seth one, turning him into a stalker & psycho (they started to do that in the last episode didn't they? with pictures of Edie on the wall of his office i think), it would have been so much more interesting.

― jellybean (jellybean), Saturday, 9 October 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago)

maybe they thought that would have been too much of a distraction for a seven episode series.

― ken c (ken c), Saturday, 9 October 2004 15:52 (twenty years ago)

yes, because they have to fill at least 20 minutes with bad indie and scenic shots.

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 9 October 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago)

it's not eastenders, afterall.

― ken c (ken c), Saturday, 9 October 2004 16:13 (twenty years ago)

very good work jel

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 11 October 2004 08:24 (twenty years ago)

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