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What are the behaviours that make you cross? Especially ones that boys like.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 23 September 2004 09:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha I await the responses to this thread with bated breath.

― Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 23 September 2004 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

You stirring minx.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 23 September 2004 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Deliberatly flirt with ugly guys for special treatment. There's an eyelid batter in here who fawns all over one of the disgustingly ugly supervisors, and a consequence gets away with everything.

Slapper.

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 23 September 2004 09:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Wear dark brown lipliner with light lipgloss, thereby making all men think that lipliner has to be dark brown.

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 23 September 2004 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

If my reaction to that post is anything to go buy, I don't think men notice things like that AT ALL.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 23 September 2004 09:59 (twenty-one years ago)

My reaction to brown lipliner with light lipgloss would probably be to recoil in horror.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 23 September 2004 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)

but subconsciously

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 September 2004 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Frustrating lipliner discussion

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Flirt with my boyfriend. I don't care about most other things.

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Stare at my boobs! "Lady, you have a pair of your own, go look in a mirror!!"

― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe they prefer yours?

― teh pow! (blueski), Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Well that's understandable, but still!

― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

they're probably just jealous, pink...

― Simon (flameproof) (Flameproof), Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

They want to lez up obv.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 23 September 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

this is the first time that what i thought was a calz thread turned out to be an n thread

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 23 September 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

i figured N started the 'defend single mothers' one

― teh pow! (blueski), Thursday, 23 September 2004 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think men

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 23 September 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate it when women say they don't get along with other women.

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Thursday, 23 September 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, that does my head in too. The weirdest discrimination.

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 23 September 2004 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't get along with other people.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 23 September 2004 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

That one does make sense though

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 23 September 2004 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

there was an article in glamour this month by j3nnif3r l0v3 h3w1tt, saying 'it was such a hard life being a famous actress when i was growing up, it made me think that all girls wanted to either take my dad away (?!) or were jealous of me! so i never had any friends that were girls! but i met someone that isn't famous and doesn't try to compete with me at all, and now i have a friend that's a girl! isn't it great?'

which i thought was a little crap, obviously.

― colette (a2lette), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

: (

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't get along with women who don't get along with other women.

― Kim (Kim), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Women who "don't get along with other women" really bother me. It's an insecurity that does so much damage not only to themselves, but to the entire gender. Competition among women is cut-throat ugly.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah. I have a lot of male friends, but the not liking other women thing is really bizarre.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Competition among women is cut-throat ugly.

And competition among men isn't?

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought all we did is manfully slap each other's backs and say "Hey sporto."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

But you expect men to be ugly - and they rarely let you down on that score

― Dadrockismus (Dada), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

What, so women are supposed to be pretty porcelain cooperabots?

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Of course!

― Dadrockismus (Dada), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I don't think it's bizarre at all. Unfortunately it makes all kinds of sense to/for some people. I find it unethical though, and have a hard time respecting or liking those who do it. Anyway, this is a DANGER topic. Bad N.

― Kim (Kim), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

It's the competing with other women BECAUSE they're women, or using some supposed aspect of womanhood as a weapon in the competition, that is unpleasant. FWIW I think men competing is unpleasant too, unless they're Greco-Roman wrestling or something...

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

A-HA! It's all "no no no no" until you make the participants naked; I've got your number now.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Read this book review on Catfight: Women and Competition By Leora Tanenbaum. It says what I'm trying to (but failing).

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, sometimes the way women treat each other in the workplace, and the way they manage and/or assert their power relationships, can bring me out in a case of the screaming abdabs wherein I'm all: 'Noooooo! Junior High is OVER!'

The well-worn cliche appears truthfulif you're an observing female. Men seem prepared to work in teams and cede shit to other men depending on the skills of the individual as a result of being indoctrinated through sports designed to sublimate their need to compete to some Other that isn't someone on their team.

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

THAT IS ALL A GIGANTIC FRONT. Men, particularly in a professional situation, will only cede something to someone else if they think it will give them a strategic advantage later on (or if they really like the person).

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

The guys who are the biggest boosters of team playerdom and working together are invariably the first ones to take credit for your work and stab you in the back. Have you not seen this?

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

If only men would sublimate all their work-related competitiveness into a good long bout of naked wrestling, then we'd all be happier. Or I would, at least.

Ew no, mental image of senior male university figures engaging in above. I take it back.

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

My mom is always telling me about how women are so catty in the workplace.

I don't think women are catty, per se, but I have noticed that having a female for a boss that I have to work a lot harder than when I've had a male boss in the past.

Also, I guess I don't get the women hating women thing because I for the main part only have female friends, and I really only feel comfortable being myself with other women... initially (it takes a bit more time for me to let loose around men). Maybe this has to do with having two sisters, though.

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, anyone knows that people who 'team-play' too much, whatever gender, are of course bigging this up to surf to glory on a wave of everyone else's ideas. Duh. But at least most men treat workplace life like the game it is, which governs attitudes about what's acceptable to other playas.

I have heard women who claim to be feminist say that in business they were only going to deal with senior men because middle-management women either cannot or, more usually, will not give them anything they want, so what's the point of bothering with them?

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

men would sublimate all their work-related competitiveness into a good long bout of naked wre####paintball.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't understand Dan's post. I'm too lazy for all this alpha male stuff I think. As soon as I can offload the responsibility, I will.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I am NOT playing naked paintball.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's commonplace for people within any kind of marginalized group to have little use for those who further themselves by catering to the established structures instead of trying to build new ones.

― Kim (Kim), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

dan, i've ceded shit to other men, and women, in the workplace on numerous occasions because i didn't want to do them.

haha xpost w/Matt

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, I have long believed that much of the blame for continued lack of equality is a result of blatant female misogyny.

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh but then there's the consoling idea of y'know, just getting IN, and that's when thing'll change. Possible but unlikely. Read Animal Farm again perhaps.

― Kim (Kim), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

it occurs to me my post is worded poorly.

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

All this talk of "ceding shit" makes me think of gardening for some reason

― Dadrockismus (Dada), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

any kind of workplace power struggle is pretty ugly (ooh oxymoron!).. men and women competitions are often even worse.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Suzy, I know exactly what you mean but I GET THE EXACT SAME THING REGARDLESS OF GENDER when I deal with people at work.

I wonder if this is a race vs gender issue.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Girls. When they steal your boyfriend and then have the audacity to give YOU bitchy looks like it was you who did the stealing?! Man, I hate that.

― bovary, Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Ugh. How could anyone ever steal a boyfriend? That's so dumb. I have had two friends though that have been stolen away from THEIR boyfriends. I don't get how that happens.

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Ugh. How could anyone ever steal a boyfriend?

well, jeez, mandee, it's simple! first, you have to hit the girlfriend over the head with a comedy club or some other blunt object. then you have to drug the boy, put him in a burlap sack, and carry him out over your shoulder. you must be wearing a black and white stripey shirt and a mask of some kind. and always tiptoe.

when he comes to, he's yours, fair and square!

― colette (a2lette), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe she means a situation when a couple is having troubles and the other girl can sense this & so acts like a MASSIVE CLEVER WEDGE between the couple and while the guy is 100% to blame if he cheats, the driver usually gets 10 years if the hold up guy does life ?
xpost

― kephm (kephm), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

you know, dress like this:

http://elsinoremagazine.com/burglar.jpg

― colette (a2lette), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

How does the silver platter there figure into all this?

― Kim (Kim), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Hot sex on a platter.

Really, boyfriend and/or girlfriend stealing is *all* about the hot sex.

― Tonight at ten (kenan), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Or, more accurately, being a cunty bitch to the person you're stealing from.

Or, at least, that is what it was about when I did it.

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe it's only about the hot sex to the stealee.

― Ain't That Peculiar (kenan), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate it when other girls __________

bloq le coq.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i hate it when 21yr old nyu trustfund babies/would-be groupies attempt to insert themselves into conversations i'm having with male friends in bands. like, literally physically insert themselves - i once had a girl pop up from under my arm when i reached across a table to get a cigarette.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate it when other girls __________
Become successful.

― briania (briania), Thursday, 23 September 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh my god, Lauren, barf-o-rama!

― Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Thursday, 23 September 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Ally, there's a film financier called P4ula J4lfon who is your absolute spitting image - I thought you'd walked into my office earlier, albeit after dyeing your hair black. Fucking spooky it was.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 23 September 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

The only google image result for that name:

http://www.frif.com/new2002/gifs/spect2.jpg

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Thursday, 23 September 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

It doesn't look greatly like you, or a film financier.

Also, danger! That supposed financier may be Harley Quinn!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 September 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

. . . act like simpering little girls in front of men. "Aren't I adorable? Look at me, I'm so cute and twee!" Makes me want to hit them in the face. Repeatedly. With a brick.

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 23 September 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Martin, let's keep this between you and me, but I actually did go to Markelby's office earlier, in a black wig. Reconnosance mission. Don't tell him.

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Thursday, 23 September 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

only a few behavioural things piss me off about some women, mainly to do with being cruel / catty to other women about their appearance or abilities ( why ? how does knowingly being a total shit-head about someone else help anyone feel better about themselves ? )
then there is the oh so noticable change in demeanour and antics when any 'prospective partner type male' enters the room.
bleah

I don't have any preference of male / female for my friends, they tend to stick in my life due to common interests and all that jazz, not because I can relate to one or the other sex more easily.

― donna (donna), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate it when girls say that girls aren't funny, and then laugh at boys being not funny.

― Cathy (Cathy), Thursday, 23 September 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread bamboozles me. i consider myself actually quite a hardcore feminist who really has a hard time getting on with women ....mainly cos of the way i look. (this is primarily why i will never de-lurk here.) i do not flirt. i do not tease. i behave exactly as i am; a reasonably intelligent person who can string a sentence together and has opinions on most things. yet because i look a certain way, women have always been on the off/def-ensive against me. i have fantastic female friendships....formed when i was 11 years old (before all this shit starts)....but i don't hold out hope of finding another female friend any time soon. i've been burned too often by now. yours faithfully, princess myshkin.

― minerva, Friday, 24 September 2004 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate it when other girls raise their voice about an octave when they speak on the phone so they sound like Minnie Mouse.

― Laura E (laurae55), Friday, 24 September 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

cathy otm

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 24 September 2004 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

*skims thread*

Sorry, I get on better with men than women and I cant apologise for it. I dont actively choose this - many women just seem alien to me. I'm not a girly girl. I dunno. I'm just weird maybe.

And then when women say they hate women who say this, it just makes me feel even more disliked. Its high school all over again. No guys I ever knew did the shit to me that girls did..

Anyway.

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 24 September 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

And to elaborate further, as Mandee said she has 2 sisters, I have 2 brothers and no sisters and I'm kinda glad actually. Its... odd.

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 24 September 2004 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

there's a difference, though.. you can't help who you get on with. what's really, genuinely, deeply annoying is when women say they don't get on with other women but actually mean that they fear competition. people (no matter what gender) who have to be the queen center of attention in all situations = huge dud.

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 24 September 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

what on earth is it about 'the way you look' that you believe creates these reactions from other women? genuine question here, Im not trying to be a smart-alec.
What is it that threatens them so much?

I am yet to meet a woman who has put me immediately on defense or offense mode, simply by her 'look'.

― donna (donna), Friday, 24 September 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

minerva I mean, obv.

― donna (donna), Friday, 24 September 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah donna I must admit that had me curious too.

And lauren, I totally agree. For me it isnt a competition thing. I'd quite like to have more female friends than I do, but I just dont. I cant feel as "me" around women as around guys. I'm kinda... blokey, I suppose. Maybe someone like Jim can agree or disagree with that? heh ;P

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 24 September 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Men, particularly in a professional situation, will only cede something to someone else if they think it will give them a strategic advantage later on...

Did it ever occur to you that, most of the time, whatever it is that all the fuss is about in "a professional situation" isn't worth a rat's ass and consequently isn't much worth squabbling about?

― Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 24 September 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

. . . act like simpering little girls in front of men. "Aren't I adorable? Look at me, I'm so cute and twee!" Makes me want to hit them in the face. Repeatedly. With a brick.

Ack, like talk in baby voices and stuff? That shit works on me every time.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 24 September 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I like to think there's a diff between talking in cute/sill voices with someone cuz you're already close to them (like I do with my partner) and putting on a helpless girly voice to a guy at the pub or work to gain favour.

And I have to say I have sadly seen the latter - only the once, but it was a woman I worked with, who was hard as nails with the female staff and a flirty, cutsey mess with the men (esp her bosses). Oh and she was shagging one of 'em.

I have to say tho, I rarely see anyone use gender in the workplace as a political tool. Being smarmy deceptive bastards, sure, but it never seems to be a gender specific thing.

In personal life on the other hand... whole different kettle of metaphors.

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 24 September 2004 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Did it ever occur to you that, most of the time, whatever it is that all the fuss is about in "a professional situation" isn't worth a rat's ass and consequently isn't much worth squabbling about?

Yeah, I used to think that.

Then everyone on my team got bigger raises then me because of things I didn't think were worth squabbling about (ie, I didn't talk just to be heard or volunteer for stupid things just to volunteer).

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 24 September 2004 02:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan OTM... sadly, its the noisy arseholes who end up getting their way the most :(

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 24 September 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

On that front I thankfully I don't have to worry (the joy of working for a salary-frozen nonprofit gov't institution, if you will). But I have other plans.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 September 2004 03:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Minerva wants us to not hate her because she's beautiful. Arf.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Friday, 24 September 2004 07:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I find this thread very difficult and uncomfortable for many of the reasons already raised.

But the only behaviour that really *does* actually make me borderline homicidal is perfectly capable young women who deliberately do the weak, stupid and vulnerable "tee hee, oh look at me, I'm so helpless" act around men. But the only thing that makes me *more* homicidal is the pathetic and stupid men who actually *respond* to that sort of behaviour.

― Danger Whore (kate), Friday, 24 September 2004 07:54 (twenty-one years ago)

cathy made me think of the good charlottes just then

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 24 September 2004 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah Trayce, I don't think anyone's saying it's wrong to like men, it's just the women who will deliberately put down other women in order to further themselves within a social or work context. Based on your posts (because Oz is bloody miles away) I can't imagine you doing that.

― Anna (Anna), Friday, 24 September 2004 09:02 (twenty-one years ago)

answering donna....i genuinely have no idea! i'm no supermodel, i don't think i'm amazing or anything, but ever since i was a kid the way i look seems to have been the primary focus of most girls/women i've met, ever. conversely, it doesn't seem to have been that big a deal around boys/men. i think i am a nice person, i am certainly not competitive - i really couldn't give a frick - i like women, i often feel a lack of women friends........

i'm not gonna shave my head or wear a sackcloth in my quest or anything! but i do feel sad about this, and it has come up - very specifically - enough times in my life to make me eternally wary now.

and liz, i know what all this may sound like, but until you walk a mile in my shoes, etc....shut the fuck up.

― minerva, Friday, 24 September 2004 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Gender and/or looks have nothing to do with how I pick my friends (I don't tend to be friends with people who are RUDE though).

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 24 September 2004 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Rude people are fun though

― Dadrockismus (Dada), Friday, 24 September 2004 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I like my friends to be rude to other people, on my behalf, because I am too chicken.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 24 September 2004 09:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Trayce, I almost wrote about how envious I am of females such as yourself, females who had the ability to really relate to and get along well with other guys, but then I realized that maybe I'm not as "laddish" as I fancy myself being, that maybe I fall too much into the "girly" category to really be able to hit it off with members of the opposite sex. Because my socialization experiences have been pretty much the polar opposite to yours -- while there has been the occasional female individual whom I haven't gotten along well with, nearly every male I've encountered aside from my father and grandfather has either mistreated me or completely ignored me to the point of completely denying my humanity. This is why I suspect that it's so much harder for me to relate to and trust males in general, which I find kinda sad because I would like to find that, someday in the future, I have male friends as trustworthy and great as the female friends I have. Like my friend J -- I feel like I can always rely upon her to stick with me through the toughest of times and I can tell her all my secrets without them going out into the world. I have had a few other female friends like J. I have yet to encounter a male J.

Mandee, I can sorta relate to your experiences, though I have zero siblings at all, and most of my experiences with female supervisors have been rather positive. Whether it's because I work with very matronly individuals or because I'm so used to my mother being very hard-nosed and demanding that the fact that the female supervisors are similar to that doesn't bother me is, well, a mystery. Though you are correct in your observation that male supervisors seem to be not quite as strict as the female ones.

― Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 25 September 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate it when other girls don't go out with me. Which is most of them.

― {Sand in the [vaseline} on the lens] (x Jeremy), Saturday, 25 September 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

err, there was 'apposed to be a strikethrough on the 'other'

― {Sand in the [vaseline} on the lens] (x Jeremy), Saturday, 25 September 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm glad, that madchen makes an exception, for me.

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 25 September 2004 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't feel comfortable around RJG. His commas are like unwarranted dangling phalluses.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 25 September 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

you should see what my unwarranted dangling phalluses are like.

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 25 September 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

all my dangling phalluses are warranted

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 25 September 2004 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

...pretend to get along with other girls. because that's passive-aggressive mindfuck bullshit. and it drives me nuts. at least if i dont like you, you'll know it.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 25 September 2004 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

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