this is the thread where we ask why so many people start out threads saying "this is the thread that..." or something of the sort

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it really irritates me for some reason, sorry

and so does all the "places that are teh gay" or whatever crap (a LOT).

and ending everything with "xor".

and starting thread titles with "so"

i mean, is it supposed to be funny or something? because it's not. it's just dumb.

six finger seattlite, Sunday, 21 November 2004 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

go away stranger

Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Sunday, 21 November 2004 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

we already did this, anyway:
I don't understand the "This is the thread where I say..." threads.

Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Sunday, 21 November 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

But Aaron, that thread is more of a critique of the discourse within those threads, rather than the phrasing of the thread title, which is what I think SFS is bothered by.

Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Sunday, 21 November 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

this is the post where I saw wtf OMG U R SO GEY

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 21 November 2004 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

So, this is the thread that is teh gay
Hi fux0rs
this thread is teh gay

Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Sunday, 21 November 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

73H G4Y

trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Sunday, 21 November 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

OTM

beanz (beanz), Sunday, 21 November 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

ROFFLE

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 21 November 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the board where we say things like "This is the thread where...".

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 21 November 2004 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)

(Six Finger Seattlite is not me, btw.)

donut christ (donut), Sunday, 21 November 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.goegol.nl/images/complain.JPG

donut christ (donut), Sunday, 21 November 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.pspug.org/e-cards/cards/p7101.jpg

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 21 November 2004 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)

So, Xor?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 21 November 2004 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)

For shiX0r my niX0r

Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Sunday, 21 November 2004 02:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Xnor

trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Sunday, 21 November 2004 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a bit of a Friends throwback isn't it? it makes me think of Friends anyway and that's why i dont like it.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 21 November 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

jed otm

and yeah, freinds was never funny either. (ditto sex in the city. i think both of them have the idea that if you say something unfunny over and over again, it was suddenly turn funny by virture of its repeated nature. a total fallacy, obv.)

six finger seattlite, Sunday, 21 November 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Even if it's crabapple?

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Sunday, 21 November 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

The problem with this OMGWTFLOL GEAR'S ROOMATE ROFFLE TOTALLY PWN3D!!! level of meta-humour is that its such a lame substitute for actual wit. Are there really people sitting at their computers thinking that the mere mention of soiled couches or washing hats or something will automatically crack everyone up. But lots of people seem to inexplicably find it all hilarious so maybe I'm just being an old curmudgeon.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 21 November 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

You damned rockist.

*turns away from mirror*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 21 November 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The problem with this OMGWTFLOL GEAR'S ROOMATE ROFFLE TOTALLY PWN3D!!! level of meta-humour is that its such a lame substitute for actual wit. Are there really people sitting at their computers thinking that the mere mention of soiled couches or washing hats or something will automatically crack everyone up. But lots of people seem to inexplicably find it all hilarious so maybe I'm just being an old curmudgeon.

but isn't it like where you have a funny shared experience with friends, and the merest knowing reference to it will start a contact-buzz ripple of hilarity amongst those who 'get' it? how is this any different? i mean, if people weren't there or didn't find it funny then that's fair enough, but dissing people because they have shared jokes that still make 'em laugh seems pointless, dumb, and not a little rude.

stevie (stevie), Sunday, 21 November 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I have serious reservations.

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 21 November 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

that seems a bit of an overreaction stevie considering what Matt actually said in his post!

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 21 November 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

It's friendly banter. It's not meant to be uproarious or witty humor. Just, you know, small-talk about common experience - and for a lot of us who haven't met (or met a lot) little in-jokes are a good way to blow off some steam.

Remy (x Jeremy), Sunday, 21 November 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not against banter or in-jokes and I'm just as guilty of it as anyone else, possibly more so... maybe its the overuse of gags or the elevation of in-jokes to assumed common language that I'm not keen on. Or maybe its that I just don't get the humour of things like this and when there's so much of it it can feel a bit alienating.

I'm not meaning to attack specific people or call anyone out here incidentally, its really not something that bothers me hugely and I'm perfectly happy to ignore it. Maybe I'm just in an argumentative mood and should find a more useful outlet for it... carry on everyone.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 21 November 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

here's so much of it it can feel a bit alienating. actually, I agree with you on this much of the time. I keep waiting for the day when I 'get' ILX. I'm a newcomer compared with many other posters (read: I've been lurking for 1.5 years, posting for .9 years), but I still find a HUGE amount goes over my head.

Remy (x Jeremy), Sunday, 21 November 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I'm less keen on it than most - and I think some people do use it in a rather exclusionary way. Occasionally I think that's deliberate, and sometimes I think it's part of a keenness to be part of some particular crowd (mostly I'm sure it is just the shared humour between friends, yeah).

Remy, I've been here long enough to think of you as a newcomer, but I miss some references too, and still feel kind of like a newcomer. Some stuff goes back to before ILX existed, where various subsets of ILXers knew each other on other boards.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 21 November 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm trying to get a handle on what the board subsets are? I think somebody needs to resurrect Kinsey to do a complete taxonomic workout of the various groups -- especially involving the crossover. "I'm a sheepfux0r / occasional Momusite (slightly inclined towards the Chicago TTITWIS set) with feelings of mild to moderate anti-Noizedudity" would be fascinating

Remy (x Jeremy), Sunday, 21 November 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I was primarily thinking of the ex-Sinister (a Belle & Sebastian fan board) people, plus a bunch of veterans including Tom, Ned, Dan, Ally and others who were on some other music board (don't recall the name) before Tom started ILM, but yeah, the Momus fans and the Noize Dudes clearly have some previous history too, plus there are smaller groups of people who came here together or drew each other here - such as Tom'd old pals from university, for instance. I came here through links to that crowd, at a tertiary level: one of my best friends, Andrew L, worked with Tom some years back, and brought me here.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I sort of agree with Matt, I think I get the jokes on ILE less and less. I've been clicking to ILM first for ages now, maybe 6 months or a year.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

The Sinister subgroup's always been a confusing one for me - took me ages to realise thats why some people were talking over m'head. Also, before a lot of this, people (apparently) had AIM chats and then brought that line of thinking back onto the board, making no sense at all because it was something discussed totally offboard.

The only thread I can defend/explain in this context is the sheepfux0r one - Di started that, and it was because we found a group of us had common local interests that kept derailing threads. So we started a catchall thread to keep it off other ones.

I dont "get" much of ILM.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

why do so many people feel the need to start endless meta-threads all about how they don't understand ilx and then expect everyone to justify there behavior to someone they barely know?

hahahahaha!!! just kidding. i'm a metasexual.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

and i am a firm believer in hand-wringing. And I looooooove Friends! They were my friends!!

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

plus a bunch of veterans including Tom, Ned, Dan, Ally and others who were on some other music board (don't recall the name) before Tom started ILM

That was actually a usenet newsgroup -- alt.music.alternative -- where some of us knew each other going back to 1992-3 (Dan and Brian aka donut bitch I think were the first to sorta bond that way, then I was in in 1993, while Chris Barrus and Matt Maxwell had also been long established from even earlier times via attending UCI together).

Scott Seward, meanwhile, was clearly a shameless crook FROM THE START oh hi there.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

"where some of us knew each other going back to 1992-3"

and before that, it was your ham radio, right ned? what was your handle again?

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

THE BIG BEEF

(Actually it was communication via carrier pigeon. I would wait long days for one to come in to his hutch, tired and forlorn, only to carry a message from Jon W that read 'ROFFLE'.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually don't even know if ham operators use handles. that might just be cb people. they might just use their ham operator license numbers.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Trayce, I think there's a useful distinction to be made between pre-existing friendships (I may have the longest one: Andrew L has been among my very best friends for over 23 years!) and subgroups formed on the board - obviously there are plenty of those too. They mostly make their in-jokes and so on within the group, I think. The only one I'm kind of part of is the TITTWIS people, and they rarely let that spill over into other threads. There's also the smaller boards, that create ther subcommunities: I visit Books, Comics and WWE pretty regularly, and I guess we occasionally reference something from there back here. Then there is the AIM thing, where I know some people very well, both one-to-one and in chatrooms; and of course in person - there are people I hope I am friends with in person with whom I virtually never interact on the boards, because of different timings. There are all sorts of intersecting sub-communities here, some more obvious than others (for instance some AIM friendships are likely to be unknown to most) - which I guess is like any community over a certain size, albeit played out in particular ways here. All this interests me greatly.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 21 November 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Most of the big alliances, friendship groups, subsets etc are pretty evident if you read the Fucking 10 Ilxors thread, for example. For Jeremy etc, the way I see things is that the subsets are the following (more or less in order of strength)

1. Pre-ILE - Sinister, AMA, Tom Ewing's Friends, Noize Dudes etc - there's a history to all of these that isn't documented anywhere on the boards so there are rivalries and friendships and the like that aren't immediately obvious to the casual reader and probably never will be.

2. Geographical - London being the biggest and (I think) the closest but also NYC, Glasgow, Dunedin, Seattle, Melbourne, LA etc etc. These aren't always as strong or as friendly or as exclusive as outsiders may think. But there's usually a lot of going out and drinking involved, and a hell of lot of offboard background history as well.

3. Interest based - the thing I like about the football threads is that we seem to have our own mini-community (myself, Dave B, Chris, Mikey G, Martin, Stevem, Ailsa, Vicky, Swygart, Dom, Zemko, Kilian, Ronan, Mike Jones and several others) who can relied upon to chip in with something amusing or worthwhile. Ditto ILB, US political threads, grime/Kompact/improv threads over on ILM. I think I'd probably put This Is The Thread Where I Say into this category as well.

And that's it, really. I think AIM friendships are more a fleshing out of the above three - I can't really think of anyone I got to know well over AIM who I wasn't already interested in onboard.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 21 November 2004 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Trayce, Martin, what kind of ex-Sinister over-the-d/in-conversations are there? There may have been a while ago, when we were new to ILX, and occasionally it's brought to people's attention that there's a Sinister-related conversation or reference. But other than the fact that a couple of dozen of us originally met through Sinister, it seems to be the least intrusive and certainly least cliquey of all the ILX cabals.

Ol' prune face (Mark C), Sunday, 21 November 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Steve: Matt said it best just above you with there's a history to all of these that isn't documented anywhere on the boards so there are rivalries and friendships and the like that aren't immediately obvious to the casual reader and probably never will be. This was more what I meant really.

And I must stress I don't have a problem with that whatsoever, I was simply highlighting one area I do see it in myself. I don't think of it as cliquey at all! :)

I dont think of any area of the board as cliquey truth be told. *Except* to a very minor extent, some times when originalOldSkoolILXors mutter about things not being like they used to be. But hey, that happens.

I'm a usenet refugee myself as it 'appens, I just hung out on alt.music.4ad and aus.gothic rather than AMA.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 21 November 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Despite being on Sinister since before it started I've hardly noticed any references to Sinister here.

I was on alt.music.alternative as well from 1991 for a few years too. I still don't have a clue what's going on with ILX.

KeithW (kmw), Sunday, 21 November 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Ack I meant Mark not Steve, damn you lot changing your nicks every five seconds! Gah.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 21 November 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I just hung out on alt.music.4ad and aus.gothic

And you wonder why people keep accusing you of being a goth?

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

And, yes, I just realised that making an in-joke on a thread decrying in-jokes makes me an ILX-centric tosser of the highest order. I thought about that about two seconds after hitting submit. A fool is me :(

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

that seems a bit of an overreaction stevie considering what Matt actually said in his post!

multiple xpost (been to see blood brothers - they covered 5 to 1!!!! OMG!!!!) hope it didn't seem an overreaction and i didn't mean to have a go at anyone... its just, the original post - i mean, is it supposed to be funny or something? because it's not. it's just dumb seemed, to me, to be in of itself an overreaction to what is, essentially, just some harmless in-joking that's perhaps gone beyond a joke now, but which is wholly natural and not, IMHO, remarkable at all.

katie melua is on TV now. goddam she's dreadful... x

stevie (stevie), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

they covered 5 to 1!!!! OMG!!!!

?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Blood Brothers covered the doors' 5 to 1 as some anti-bush, post-election, let's-get-hopeful stomp! it was awesome!!!

stevie (stevie), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, accusing me of being a goth isnt an in-joke, its a BLOODY TRAVESTY!

Or um, a fact. One or the other =)

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a lot of things people on here just assume I know, like the Koala Tacos thing? I have no clue what that is about.

papa november (papa november), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

While I can certainly understand what Matt is talking about with the ILE theme song thread, this particular passage slays me:

SPOKEN SECTION:
Oh girl, oh boy, you've been my bucket of chicken for so long
Now with all white meat...
Wait, this piece looks funny.
OMG, it's a deep-fried rat!
YOU FUCKING BITCH, YOU TRICKED ME
A deep fried rat.... OF LOVE!
Oh, never mind then, you didn't trick me.
So, um, wanna go grab some milkshakes?

It's very absurd and not at all ILE-centric and it's the funniest part of the "song".

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost NO ONE knows what's up with the koala tacos!)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

oh good.

papa november (papa november), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah it just sort of came out of nowhere. I think it was Neds fault. Or Tads. I cant remember.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)


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