Top 100 Films of the 1990's Poll - NOMINATIONS

Bottlerocket - (1996) - Wes Anderson

my two.

Dazed and Confused -- 93

Chungking Express -- 94

Pulp Fiction
Trainspotting

;)

Yes.

(I still hope someone else will nominate FMC.)

Safe was #1 in the Village Voice '90s poll -- I prefer Poison and even Velvet Goldmine.

Casino?!? Jeez, someone nominate the original version (Goodfellas).

THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS (1993)

taste of cherry (Kiarostami)
underground (Kusturica)

Yes, it did occur to me. Namely because I'm a sane and rational person, an intelligent one, and because I know what this thread is, after all, about.

And you know what? Dan, I've been as good-natured and upbeat, direct and honest as I can be. I've tried to patch things up and agree with you, made a genuine effort to find commmon ground, and justify my position from a non-judgemental standpoint. I'll admitted my biases and kept my temper, and refrained from a single personal attack.

But I'm sick to death of your trying to pick a fight with me. I'm tired of you going through my posts and finding a word you can argue, ripping it from context and twisting it as a reason to paint me as a hateful person. How can you claim I'm loathing or belittling anybody? It's demoralizing and disrespectful behavior. I respect you and like you, but I'm not pleased at having to to overlook your insults, baitings or personal affronts. If you have dirty laundry with me, please air it openly instead of sniping at me in this way.

Toy Story 2
Fucking Amal/Show Me Love
Husbands and Wives
Chinese Ghost Story 2
Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai
Once Upon a Time in China
Funny Games
Kurosawa's Dreams

Hmm, I seem to be in agreement that there aren't enough subtitled films on there, and despite this and considering Remy a pal, I'm afraid I'm still on the Dan/Nick side in this one. There may be a few joke or willfully lowbrow nominations here, but I think it's just as likely that some people have chosen serious critical faves ahead of less lauded movies they like better. I think most people have simply nominated two movies they love and would like to see do really well in the voting. I like Kurosawa's Dreams much better than Lethal Weapon 4, but surely it's obvious that we live in a world where most people disagree, and I don't think we can take seriously any suggestion that this is down to anti-canonical rebellious posturing to any substantial degree.

Remy, Dan is being far more aggressive than you, and you know I like you, but your post along the lines of 'if some good people don't start nominating I'm giving up on the lot of you' did sound terribly superior and sneering.

You've been using 'popcornism' as pejorative, people should have better taste (ie 'be more like me') etc.. Only you're substituting "hipster movies" as your target of disdain where the normal hipster targets big action movies and Titanic.

You're reading heavily into anyone's motives for nominating a film - ah, people only nominate/like hipster films because it reinforces their 'superior taste.' The flaws there: there's no evidence to support the superior taste thing aside from your desire to be the better film geek, and you assume that "hipster films" can't be enjoyed in and of themselves. (This makes me question how they ever became hipster-cult films if no one liked them in the first place.)

Tell me you don't see some irony in your criticism the hipster movies as signifiers of 'superior taste'?

I think our animosity boils down to differing views of what the poll is supposed to be. I'm not expecting it to be a critical work of importance and meaning (no consensus list of e-strangers can be) much less new and innovative, but as fun. Like, haha, here are the films ILX likes for whatever reason.

After Life, Hirokazu Koreeda (1998)
Breaking the Waves, Lars von Trier (1996)

Yes I do. And I say as much.

You've been using 'popcornism' as pejorative

No I haven't been. I was the one more or less arguing for Lethal Weapon 4 over Lebowski and Scary Movie over Scream. I'm not arguing that people who prefer the latter in both cases. If anything, I'm arguing (pre-emptively) that they're undervaluing the purer worth of the formers. Accuse me of "hipster-er than thou" if you wish (and the charge is probably true), but in any case open your mind to the possibility that there are genuine reasons to regard the eventual top-ranking films of this list with acute suspicion. (This was all covered in some other thread, come to think of it... the one about Donnie Darko or something.)

I think our animosity boils down to differing views of what the poll is supposed to be.

I doubt it. I'm not expecting any more from the results than you are. Our animosity probably stems from you being willing to settle for it, and me seeing it as an opportunity for demolition.

Kicking and Screaming - Big Baby Bingo
Bottle Rocket - Big Baby Bingo
Rushmore - peter smith
Dazed and Confused - Jimmy Mod
Chungking Express - Jimmy Mod
Pulp Fiction - Frankenstein on Ice
Trainspotting - Frankenstein on Ice
Boogie Nights - peter smith
King of New York - :|
Buffalo 66 - Sanjay McDougal
Safe - Formerly Lee G
Happy Together - Alex in SF
Hoop Dreams - Alex in SF
Ruby in Paradise - gypsy mothra
Fallen Angels - gypsy mothra
The Opposite of Sex - The Lex
Festen (The Celebration) - The Lex
Human Resources - Tuomas
The Iron Giant - Tuomas
Naked - Dr. Morbius
Portrait of a Lady - Dr Morbius
In the Company of Men - Michael B
The Usual Suspects - Michael B
Casino - Riot Gear!
Hana-Bi - Riot Gear!
The Nightmare Before Christmas - nickalicious
Taste of Cherry - todd swiss
Underground - todd swiss
The Distinguished Gentleman - Yanc3y
Rounders - Yanc3y
Fargo - ailsa
Run Lola Run - ailsa
Heavenly Creatures - David Merryweather
The Blair Witch Project - David Merryweather
Miller's Crossing - henry jones jr
Ravenous - henry jones jr
Twelve Monkeys - hobart paving
Being John Malkovich - hobart paving
Election - milozauckerman
Scream - milozauckerman
Fast, Cheap, and Out of Control - chris herrington
Small Soldiers - chris herrington
The Big Lebowski - Billy Dods
Toy Story - Billy Dods
The Thin Red Line - Jeff-PTTL
Office Space - Jeff-PTTL
The Hudsucker Proxy - Shmool McShmool
Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me - Kevin Gilchrist
Clueless - Kevin Gilchrist
Bio-Dome - latebloomer
Unforgiven - Formerly Lee G
The Piano - jocelyn
Titus - jocelyn
Waiting for Guffman - Sanjay McDougal
Metropolitan - Shmool McShmool
Groundhog Day - n/a
Mr. Death - n/a
Joe Versus the Volcano - Pears can just fuck right off
Exotica - zaxxon25
Terminator 2 - zaxxon25
Kids - LeCoq
Fresh - LeCoq
Delicatessen - emil.y
Slacker - It's hard to kill a horse with a flute
Happiness - It's hard to kill a horse with a flute
Heat - TOMBOT
The Fifth Element - TOMBOT
HYPE! - Doobie Keebler
The Limey - Doobie Keebler
Career Opportunities - jill schoelen is the queen...
Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead - jill schoelen is the queen...
Ed Wood - Pears can just fuck right off
Jacob's Ladder - :|
Princess Mononoke - stewart downes
Secrets and Lies - stewart downes
The Match Factory Girl - youn
The Dreamlife of Angels - youn
Live Flesh - Zimmer026
Wintersleepers - Zimmer026
Goodfellas - Allyzay Science Explosion
Europa - Haibun
Eyes Wide Shut - gabbneb
Hard Boiled - andrew s
Mars Attacks! - andrew s
JFK - jim wentworth
Boyz N the Hood - jim wentworth
Romy and Michelle's High School Reunion - Haibun
Dead Man - tremendoid
Straight Story - tremendoid
Jackie Brown - lemin
Barton Fink - lemin
Flirting - Remy Snush
The Crying Game - Remy Snush
Starship Troopers - TIM@KFC.EDU
An Angel at My Table - TIM@KFC.EDU
The Idiots - emil.y
Il Postino - Dom Passantino
South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut - Dom Passantino
Pecker - nickalicious
Malcolm X - The Ghost of Dan Perry
Naked Lunch - The Ghost of Dan Perry
My Cousin Vinny - gabbneb
The Spanish Prisoner - dave225
Arlington Road - dave 225
Quiz Show - jed_
The Long Day Closes - jed_
Dead Alive (Braindead) - Dan I
Leon (The Professional) - Dan I
The Player - Collardio Gelatinous
Beau travail - daria g
Flowers of Shanghai - daria g
Wonderland - s1ocki
Topsy Turvy - s1ocki

But neither of those is as good as Shawshank. And I've only seen one of them.

I'm guessing you're an ILF transplant. Perhaps if you posted on some other threads, you might find that the people here might find your shit a lot more tiresome than people there do.

http://ilx.p3r.net/users.php?board=35

(Wow. I was going to post that page as a whithering disproval of my ILF status, but apparently I'm the second most frequent poster there as of late. That's truly sad.)

But neither of those is as good as Shawshank.

Yes, you've proven you know my hot buttons. Good job.

Which, I guess, makes you the record-store clerk laughing at people who buy Britney and the Strokes, when they should really be buying the Boredoms or something?

Accuse me of "hipster-er than thou" if you wish (and the charge is probably true), but in any case open your mind to the possibility that there are genuine reasons to regard the eventual top-ranking films of this list with acute suspicion.
And when we see the 'eventual top-ranking films' the time will come to judge them with acute suspicion. You're complaining before a single vote has been cast. You have no way to know what will be voted for and what will not.

Worse, as I said, you're casting aspersions on why people nominate. No one can actually like the Big Lebowski (didn't like it personally), they must be nominating that one, to, uh, reinforce their... wait, no, what the fuck is gained for someone in regard to stature or cultural signification by nominating The Big Lebowski?

I'm not expecting any more from the results than you are. Our animosity probably stems from you being willing to settle for it, and me seeing it as an opportunity for demolition.
Ergo a difference in views of what the poll is supposed to be. Your desire for 'demolition' implies that you think it's worth demolishing, that it's an actual, critical effort rather than a fun time-waster. I'll be more than happy to complain about films I dislike when they make the final list, but I'm not going to complain beforeheand and/or pretend this list establishes a new critical canon or requires demolition in any way.

I am a sucker for harrowing, unreliable narrator stories rife with hallucination and "what you see is not necessarily what's real" stories. I loved the concept of "The Naked Lunch" as the story of the hallucinations Burroughs went through as he wrote the book and I loved the concept of "Jacob's Ladder" as a "what if?"-version of a dying soldier's life passing before his eyes ("Menace II Society" almost got a nomination from me, as well). I like the nightmarish imagery and the conflation of the prosaic and the demonic. Particularly, I liked the way that "The Naked Lunch" went out of its way to present visual grotesques well outside of a slasher/scifi/horror paradigm.

After Life - Simon H.
Breaking the Waves - Simon H.
Autumn Sun - Collardio G. (cough)

(ha; xpost with Dan)

I'm not going to complain beforeheand and/or pretend this list establishes a new critical canon

Then why is it even worth investing any time in it?

wait, no, what the fuck is gained for someone in regard to stature or cultural signification by nominating The Big Lebowski?

Identification with a staid groupthink mindset characteristic of hipsters, for starters.

when they should really be buying the Boredoms

Now come on. That's just stupid. I'm not even accusing anyone of choosing movies that are boring to them. At worst, I'm accusing people of participating in this exercise dispassionately, which (though I don't give a shit about the results) I do regard as a waste of time.

At any rate, mission accomplished. This thread has become officially tiresome.

FINALLY!!! gabbneb OTM! Dan OTM!

Hahaha. That's right. Were you me in high school or was I the type you loathed? Or am I misreading and my Twin Civic status alone is tripping you into memories?

;-)

^^^^
There I'm communicating.

Election will easily make my top-10, because her pussy gets SO wet.

xpost:

Then why is it even worth investing any time in it?
No one was investing much time in it until you started calling it boring and staid and horribly complacent and filled with hipsters angling for...

Also, because the final results engender discussion (cf. ILM polls). Results.

Identification with a staid groupthink mindset characteristic of hipsters, for starters.
What evidence do we have that allows us to make this assumption about the nominator(s)? Aside from your apparent dislike for the film: nada. Zip.

I don't like it either, but I'm not going to call out people for nominating things I don't care for.

At worst, I'm accusing people of participating in this exercise dispassionately, which (though I don't give a shit about the results) I do regard as a waste of time.
You don't give a shit about the poll, but you're more than willing to spend a bunch of time whining about not just the results but nominations that may never show up? That makes loads of sense.

Kevin OTM: until given reason to believe otherwise, I assume all nominations are driven by an enjoyment and respect for the film. I don't believe in taking people to task for what they enjoy and respect - criticize the film not the fan, y'know? (Barring people into scat porn or Nazi propaganda, then it's criticize the fan too)

So, why I nominated "X":

First off, Denzil Washington's performance in this movie is astonishing, particularly in the segments where Spike Lee switches back and forth between stock footage of Malcolm X and footage of Denzel playing him; the mannerisms, inflections, even the speaking pitch are note-perfect. My parents in particular said that the depths to which Washington captured Malcolm X were astonishing (my dad briefly flirted with joining NoI based on their message of self-empowerment to the black community until he noticed the gangsterism behind the scenes, so he paid A LOT of attention to Malcolm X while he was in his 20s). Also, Spike Lee did an excellent job of presenting a mainstreamed, understandable version of Malcolm X which explained to a wide audience how he got to the point he reached, why he did and said what he did, why he broke with NoI, and why he is ultimately a positive role model for African-Americans.

Hahaha. That's right. Were you me in high school or was I the type you loathed?

Not only was I you, I still am you! I mean, in this thread alone I've managed to convince someone I like that I harbor deep-seated ill will towards him purely because I like arguing like a bulldog!

No one was investing much time in it until you started calling it boring and staid and horribly complacent and filled with hipsters angling for...

OTM. Which is why I thought it would be worth the effort to make something out of it. Forgive me for putting value in that which everyone's fine thank you keeping said quality absent. If nothing else, this will all result in some comments worth footnoting the results with.

I don't like it either, but I'm not going to call out people for nominating things I don't care for.

LOL. Oh the irony. I actually do like Lebowski. My aversion to its inclusion stems from its cachet as a drinking game and a jukebox of quips.

I'd love to continue to perform CPR on this thread but I have errands to run, dogs to feed, friends to abuse, et al...

Or, maybe we regard the concept of argument as being a totally role-playing proposition. Like me with sex.

My aversion to its inclusion stems from its cachet as a drinking game and a jukebox of quips.
But, again, we don't know that anyone nominated it for this reason. Do we?

you're either a troll or continue to fail to get it. we can even agree with what you're saying, once you deign to say it explicitly, but we're still going to call you on being an asshole about how you say it.

you seem very conflicted. do you know how you feel about the movie? did the filmmakers design their work for this purpose/audience or not? if they did, how much is the film accordingly a failure? where is the line between a 'quip' and a quotable line that also carries meaning? is a film of ideas a failure if it employs a mass-audience strategy? Reservoir Dogs/Pulp Fiction are the proto-jukeboxes AND good or great movies, afaic (though it's a recent revelation; I hated them for a long time).

>"Beau travail". It is ...not at all entertaining

Tuomas, you make good points, but I disagree on both counts (and BT is my least favorite Denis film).

As for whether Harold Lloyd & Co intended any deeper meaning, likely not, but there would be no master's theses on Jerry Lewis if full consciousness was part of the deal. (And I'm sure David Lynch intended depth in "Wild at Heart," but there ain't any.)

I watched The Big Lebowski again just yesterday. By far the best thing the Coens ever did..

Either way, GO HERE and use your three extra nominations before the end of the year!