The adventures of Momus in Britain

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Momus is in the UK, and he doesn't much like it. Does he have a point?

http://www.livejournal.com/users/imomus/73188.html

Melody Nelson, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus should read this out on Catholic radio some Christmas morning.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

when he's straight

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I was always under the impression that Momus was an all round well-liked chappie.

This past week I've seen otherwise. Why has he fallen so suddenly from grace? Or was I wrong from the outset?

Rumpy Pumpkin, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Momus ok, I just think that reads like "in today's consumer driven society, people forget the REAL meaning of christmas" part 187178178187.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

the latter i guess. i quite enjoy people slagging off Britain and the USA lately tho.

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Sounds pretty much like my Tory-voting Dad. Shock, horror, art students live in scummy flats! Music in pubs too loud!!! People late night on the streets of London during festive season may be under the influence of alcohol/drugs, OMG WTF! Inner city London is grotty, people occasionally piss in places that aren't toilets, quelle horreur! Trains don't run on time, Blair no Mussolini!

Bela Lugosi's Dad, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Subscription gift packs to FHM and Maxim hang on hooks. They look a bit like lingerie. Marketing! Slick! The girls in bikinis don't interest me at all

Momus in "unable to recognise Girls Aloud" shocker.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok, he might sound a wee bit too grumpy old man at times, but he makes some fair points. Having visited Berlin and been astonished at how safe, clean and efficient everything was I can't blame a resident of that city for being appalled at the crapness of Blair's Britain.
Despite the Germans being tremendous beer guzzlers, they don't have Britain (or America's) horrible macho binge drinking culture.
It isn't facist to demand that trains run on time, it's our right!
Let's face it, the Germans are better than us. :)
(Cue violent abuse from beered up lads)

stew, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

how is berlin is safe, clean or efficient?

:| (....), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a weak article, especially the homeless guy. It reminds me of the Tory guy spending an evening in Brixton a couple of months ago.

There isn't anything interesting about Momus' dislike of London because he is so certain that he dislikes it. He would write better about what he loves in London. Or what disgusts him about Berlin/Tokyo.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

There are video clips of people saying how perennially great U2 are. No dissenting opinions at all.
No dissenting voices in an award ceremony, who'd have thought it? I assume award ceremonies in Tokyo are chock-a-block with people calling the recipient an undeserving cunt.

The black BMW driver lecturing the homeless/junkie bloke sounds made up. If not then Momus may want to make sure he didn't unwittingly stumble onto the set of Cliches 'R' Us.

Poor students in Hackney live in shitty flat shocka! "What's the asthetic?" he asks. "What's his point?" I wonder...

I'm tired, but this chat is something we have to do before we can sleep. I try not to cough or seem too self-righteously sober.

These are FRIENDS he's visiting? Right? People putting him up for the night after a tiring journey only to have him tell the world (or the tiny part of it that reads his blog) that their flat is a shithole, they smoke too much, they are inconsiderate boring E-heads? Do they know he has a blog?

I didn't feel safe walking around with my laptop in a bag. The atmosphere didn't feel benign at all, nothing like soft, safe neon nights in Tokyo. Minicab sharks, cars pulling up behind pedestrians. You're in there, protected, and I'm out here, not. I'm just going to have to hope you have a good heart. People in hip hop hooded tops looking hard in kebab shops. It all feels like one of those Streets videos where a bunch of tanked-up British guys end up with blood streaming down their faces. 'Mate, mate, I don't want any trouble, mate.'
But no-one actually said or did anything remotely threatening towards him. Apart from wearing hoodies, obviously.

'Bling bling: fashion designer John Zhao shows off his crystal encrusted iPod'. Britain speaks fluent bling bling. Britain, from top to bottom, embraces the showy materialism
This (along with all the other rants about marketing) from someone who lived in Tokyo? A city that consumes, period.

He's right about the transport all the same...

Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Onimo OTM!

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

yes the black guy in the bmw is such an obviously fabricated story!

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, grumble about Ryanair not having any in-flight extras, grumble about Virgin trains having on-board extras. Make your bloody mind up, why don't you?

(Onimo so ridiculously OTM)

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I love how all his commenters are such groupies!

Berlin is no doubt a much cleaner and civilised place but then again so is Singapore. The bottom line is that London culture is about a thousand times more vibrant than Berlin's, much as I like that city.

Robert FR, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I kinda wonder if M doesn't have some overall point, being that he adores (alien) Japan so and has such trouble (apparently) stomaching (home) Britain. Y'know? xpost I don't think my comment was that groupieish, maybe the other 60 were I guess

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.easterwood.org/japan02/052902/nosmoking.jpg

The train station has a sign on a seat that says "No smoking". What do they take us for? Why not say "You're a cunt, aren't you"? (punctuation is correct) The assumption of guilt. But our hosts later tell us that people do smoke. Often. Fuck.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus definitely has a point with the public transport. All the rest is indistinguishable from the rantings of a Colonel Blimp from the Home Counties. The dirt, the filth, the unseemly alcohol consumption, the consumer goods actually being marketed publicly!!!!

Robert FR, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

ok i'll stop after this but..


Marketing! Slick! The girls in bikinis don't interest me at all

hahah this is because they're not in sailor schoolgirl uniform right?

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus in 'beautifully-written, intelligent-sounding essay but chock-full of inconsistencies and generalisations to suit his point' shocka !

Once again, I stifle a yawn and make the same old responses; yes, London (and, ergo, Britain) can be a horribly threatening place much of the time - but you learn to live with it as there are so many good things about it; yes, Tokyo is a fabulous, exciting place and is safe, clean and things work - but it can do your head in in other ways. I know, having lived there a long time, like many others on this board, and like them without the bubble of adulation that Momus is undoubtedly couched in at times when In Japan and Among The Japanese.

Like Onimo said, the inconsistencies in Momus's article are legion, and reflect a hate that was never in doubt, no matter what experience M was to have when returning to the UK. It's like when my Mum would have a go at me when she came home some days, no matter what I did, just because she had to.

darren (darren), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

OTM ken c.

NO MORE SNOBBY, SLEF-AGGRANDIZING BLOG POSTS PLS

sugarpants (sugarpants), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

uh, "SELF"

sugarpants (sugarpants), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

okayokay just one more

A white man gets out of the train and comes into the flat to reform them. 'Look at yourself, mate, you've got to stop using the stuff. Clean up your flat, man, have some aesthetic, get out of this state you're in, it's a fucking shame on you, man!' He's a winner, the junkie's a loser. Clean up a flat, have an aesthetic, get a laptop, join the winners.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Whilst I like Momus, his music and his writings, the reduction of everything into a binary is pretty annoying. Please, give us the stuff between the zero and one!

stephen. s (yaye), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

You know, Momus is a cock and all, but I dread the day someone starts a thread dissecting the assholery that goes on on my blog. Isn't the whole point of a blog/livejournal to say all kinds of stupid, opinionated shit? IT'S NOT A NEWSPAPER, PEOPLE.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

And by the way, the telly and music world in Tokyo as far back as I can remember is one long back-slapping giant youth club in which dissent is rarer than at a North Korean cabinet meeting.

darren (darren), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus is sort of in denial in that he's still desperate about being young and cool at an age when most men have long since retreated to the suburbs and comforts of family life. But the young and cool tend to go to bars with loud music, get drunk, take drugs and live in shitty flats in sketchy inner city neighbourhoods. All this disgusts him. So he disguises his alienation from the 'cool' lifestyle but shoehorning it into a discourse about the ravages of hypercapitalism in Britain.

alienist, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

okay honestly last one
Someone just farted. On the train. ... hisses the foul smell as it snakes around, invisible to the CCTV cameras.

PEOPLE FART IN GERMANY AND JAPAN TOO, ON TRAINS.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't the whole point of a blog/livejournal to say all kinds of stupid, opinionated shit? IT'S NOT A NEWSPAPER, PEOPLE.
-- n/a (nu...), December 29th, 2004 4:21 PM. (Nick A.)

We connected to the Internet. There's a livejournal entry; bloggers pay tribute to other bloggers. There's lots of Momus and lots of n/a. 'nothing like soft, safe neon nights in Tokyo.' Marketing, innit? Some other blogger drifts around, a bit more bloated than I remember him. There are loads of blog comments of people saying how perennially great the blog entry was. No dissenting opinions at all. A lot of applause.

ok i stop now :)

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd be quite disappointed if he actually liked london
obviously the essay was at least half silly blimpish ranting but the other half is OT fucking M.

Oh and-
"The bottom line is that London culture is about a thousand times more vibrant than Berlin's, much as I like that city."

now i love london and have no intention of leaving: but unless you're either a. fabulously wealthy, b. in a grime crew on the sly or c. not referring to any sort of independent film, art or club culture, this is mentalism.

comments box groupie (owen), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I've enjoyed this thread a lot. Someone should start a new thread in which we pick one blog entry from the internet per week and tear it apart!!! omg. please do this.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

momusblog is pretty much awesome normally but he is not so hot writing on britain.

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't wait till he gets to scotland!

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus is sort of in denial in that he's still desperate about being young and cool at an age when most men have long since retreated to the suburbs and comforts of family life.

That's me to a t, not that I was ever young and cool.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Why does he go there if he hates it so much? I thought maybe he was visiting his fam for the holidays, but then he's staying with these E-heads that he doesn't like.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

The subtext is class. All the things Momus denigrates about Britain - the crassness, the lack of manners, the public drunkenness, the slovenliness, the threat of violence, the tackiness of commerce etc etc - are simply all the things that the upper middle class have down the ages held in contempt about the "lower classes".

Elodie R., Wednesday, 29 December 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

A white man gets out of the train and comes into the flat to reform them. 'Look at yourself, mate, you've got to stop using the stuff. Clean up your flat, man, have some aesthetic, get out of this state you're in, it's a fucking shame on you, man!' He's a winner, the junkie's a loser. Clean up a flat, have an aesthetic, get a laptop, join the winners.

Genius...and the makings of a TV programme: "Momus on the State We Are In."

Bob Six (bobbysix), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

That would be a kickass program.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I demand Momus vs. Lileks in a 20-foot-high steel cage

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think Momus is necessarily wrong about a lot of stuff here. Certain aspects of Britain over the last decade or so remind me of the bit in "Naked Lunch", where the restaurant gradually replaces its haute cuisine items w/worse and worse food, until eventually they are serving garbage. I'm amazed that people put up with so little, with such poor and run down amenities, with being so blatantly ripped-off. If I were single, I'd move out of this country, to be honest, it's a fucking shithole.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, and a lot of the stuff I would denigrate about Britain - the crassness, the constant shadow of impending violence, the fucking stupid public discourse, the total fucking stupidity, puched in your face all the time, are the same as "upper-middle class" momus, but I'm working class, and I hate this stuff because a lot of it diretly affects me, and I'm totally uninsulated from any of it.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Pashimina OTFM.

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

"the crassness, the fucking stupid public discourse, the total fucking stupidity"

all of these descriptions need the reader to already agree with you for them to make any sense.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

The black guy chastising the junky was totally not made up, by the way. There are lots of evangelical churches around the Shoreditch High Street, and they were just letting out after their Sunday services, so there were lots of black people, well-to-do black people, the 'black petit bourgeois' as Linton Kwesi Johnson called them, in the mood to give someone a moral lecture and maybe save a soul.

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd like to know more about the "the constant shadow of impending violence" in Britain.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

"Black Guy" is the lead contender for a name for my new band.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi Pashmina!

You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Hello Tracer!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

The only place I've been that I can think of where I felt a constant shadow of impending violence is Newark. London is WAY better than Newark.

I sometimes wonder if liberals become conservative when they get older as a bitter reaction to the realization that their team has lost; this is often the way I find myself thinking when I'm in full-on "I hate everyone around me" mode.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, what the fuck? He wants a slapping, he does.

Angry Australian (Mike Stuchbery), Monday, 20 June 2005 10:10 (twenty years ago)

Momus is on form:

"You know, sometimes I think the British, Russians and Americans won WW2 because they were simply more brutal than the Nazis. I mean, the Nazis didn't nuke anybody, did they?"

Ravin Visan, Monday, 20 June 2005 10:31 (twenty years ago)

I think "ferocious boomy music" qualifies as a potential meme!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 June 2005 10:53 (twenty years ago)

A classic case of sour grapes. London rejected Momus, so now Momus has to reject London.

Orisha, Monday, 20 June 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

so his problems with london are that:

*the traffic is bad
*there are expensive cars
*police sirens blare regularly
*the food is bad
*there's ugly art
*there's both rich and poor areas, buildings, people
*stuff closes early
*there are drug dealers and users
*there are pickpockets
*people can be rude to strangers
*it's hot in the summer
*there's violence
*people drink a lot


... And he's going to New York next??! Someone please hold his hand while he's there. Apart from the food and things closing early, NYC is probably worse in all of those areas. I love it to pieces, but it certainly is, to use his word, brutal. Unless he starts choosing to live in more 'comfortable' areas, which it seems would make sense for him (even though they're also the most boring neighborhoods).

Lovelace (Lovelace), Monday, 20 June 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

Momus is Batman.

latebloomer: We kissy kiss in the rear view (latebloomer), Monday, 20 June 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

he should try to be, anyhow. that would be much fun to watch!

latebloomer: We kissy kiss in the rear view (latebloomer), Monday, 20 June 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

anyway stop complainin', momus, and get into that rubber suit and start fighting crime!

latebloomer: We kissy kiss in the rear view (latebloomer), Monday, 20 June 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

I am awaiting Nick's arrival in EC1 and I think y'all are being un peut hard on him.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 20 June 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

i still think crime-fighting momus would be cool

latebloomer: We kissy kiss in the rear view (latebloomer), Monday, 20 June 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

I wonder what kind of gadgets he would have.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Monday, 20 June 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

and I think y'all are being un peut hard on him.

no harder than he on the LDN surely.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 20 June 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

"Go to London! I guarantee you'll either be mugged or not appreciated. Catch the train to London, stopping at Rejection, Disappointment, Backstabbing Central and Shattered Dreams Parkway."

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

it's weird because for the first time in the 10 years i've lived in manchester it seems to have gotten less violent, more chilled out and more relaxed all round just generally in the last 6 months or so. *and* i live nearer to moss side and hulme than i used to.

still, that's probably just the north for you.

piscesboy, Monday, 20 June 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

OMG they laughed at my eyepatch AND my trousers OMG!!!!
wot u expect from a bunch of chavs and thatcherire pakis momo?

notmomus, Monday, 20 June 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

Hhahaha, Spencer my friend, you are incorrigible.

Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

Momus, I might be coming to Berlin. Can I sleep in your tent?

Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

bouncy womb

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 08:41 (twenty years ago)

So we come back to the flat after seeing some degree shows to do email and have something to drink and I suddenly remember that I'm supposed to water the windowboxes. Get watering can, fill it, proceed to water the plants and about five seconds later this VOICE starts jawing "FACKIN' 'ELL! Someone is DOIN' vat on purpose! CAHNT! Cahnt!" And on and on and on to the power of at least ten CAHNTs.

Uh-oh. I appear to have watered the pub's window cleaner. Nick looks up from watching morons v. dorks FITE! on his livejournal about London sucking or not (the answer to this question is of course 'it depends on how much money you've got' and THAT is what sucks) with THE FEAR and worries that we're going to 'get it' if we go outside.

Woman from pub comes outside and asks shouty cockernee man what's wrong; roll on tirade: "I saw this geezer go in and the NEXT THING! The cahnt's done it on PURPOSE! I saw him look at me, straight at me! I'll 'ave 'im" etc whilst up here Nick is going pie-eyed freaking out about getting the shit kicked out of him. I'm trying not to start laughing too hard but point out that no apology will be forthcoming due to overuse of the word CAHNT.

I am looking forward to hearing Nick's version of this in light of telling him that no fucker gets away with calling me that, and indeed, no fucker did. When Ed got home from work he treated it as a logic problem: why would a window cleaner complain that bitterly about getting wet on a hot day?

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

The bit where he invokes a genuine tragedy to back up his specious bubble-headed prattle (except it doesn't) is particularly endearing. Oh, and the bits about those nasty, nasty 'chavs'.

Flyboy (Flyboy), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...
The adventures of Momus in Britain

Revive!

I'm moving back there in a month, and I'm scaaaaaaared...

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

A Japanese friend of mine just got punched in the face and relieved of her phone while flathunting in Manor House. She's decided to go back to Japan instead of persisting with London.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

I got punched in the face a few months ago in Glasgow. This make me realise that one person was a twat, but didn't make me write off a whole city/country.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

(also that I can't type. make = made, obv)

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

I have another friend who's just returned to Paris after two years in Berlin. He left Paris after being badly cut up with a knife there in an unprovoked street assault. It does diminish your enthusiasm, and I can totally understand people leaving a city where they've had that sort of experience, especially if

a) you've got a choice
b) other things in your life are going badly, and you think they would go better elsewhere
c) the city is really overpriced (in other words, the things that are oppressing the people that rob you are oppressing you too -- you're being doubly robbed by the cost of living, and the people who can't hack it, and hack you instead)

A big factor in all this is GINI coefficients.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

I haven't been punched in the face since I was 8.

Dan (Yay Good Luck!) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

You have to be fairly circumspect with using a phone in some parts of London, I've found. Perhaps your friend didn't realise this. But although she was probably just unlucky I can fully understand why it would make someone want to go home.

Oak (small items), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

I'm happy to say that I'm looking forward to it, I lived there for a while after college but couldn't hack it. Now that I'm older (hopefully) and wiser I think I'm better prepared for all the things I'm not looking forward to at all, beautifully summed up in Momus's article.

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

Now that I'm older (hopefully) and wiser

Ha ha, I like how you put the (hopefully) after older and not wiser, most people do it the other way! Fresh!

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

I feel more, erm, mature. Probably when I realise I'm actually living back in the UK, I'll feel older.

I'm now looking forward to a visit to Bill Drummond's pub.

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

http://prodtn.cafepress.com/nocache/2/20260022_F_tn.jpg

[jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

Remember this? Momus just re-posted the link to his blog... on his blog. It's been three years and he's wondering if anything's changed?

Our friends return from the pub, extremely drunk, and sit with us, smoking heavily, demolishing a bottle of red wine. It's, like, 3am. I'm too polite to tell them I don't smoke, and they don't seem to notice. Well, it's their house. The conversation is about drugs. E can't believe I've never taken any. I say it's because drugs tend to make everyone act the same way. E illustrates my theory by alternating aggressive questioning with declarations that I'm his best mate in the entire world. Several times he shakes my hand. We're two Celts who gave substantial chunks of our life to London. Why? The girls sit on the folding bed and speak Japanese. They won't stay long now they've got their MAs. I'm tired, but this chat is something we have to do before we can sleep. I try not to cough or seem too self-righteously sober.

Funny that no-one at the time pointed out that the whole paragraph and memory is self-righteously sober. Anyway, I'm not here to pick faults with a three-year old post on a blog that I like written by someone who on the whole, though I may not always agree, I've always had time for.

How do you think Britain has changed, if it has, over the past three years? Have to say, however much I dislike the place, I can't, nor ever have, identify with Momus' view of Britain as a place of menace and violence. It is a place to shop (maybe it has always been a nation of shoppers; well since the introduction of the motorways at least perhaps).

Still... there's not so much Robbie Williams these days. Got to look on the bright side.

czn, Sunday, 30 December 2007 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

Kumakouji makes a good comment on that blog (as he regulary does):

...sorry, but if you extend that description to the whole of the UK, You really do live in a bubble of centralised Cities and the artworld. Take a step outside it sometime. I remember you saying you found rural Japan "boring", and I find that really sad for someone who claims to be so into ecology. Nature isnt a "theory" to blog about, its there to be enjoyed.

I've also had my suspicions about Momus as travel writer for a few years now since he dismissed Hong Kong - one of my all time favourite places - as something like 'Birmingham pushed onto a small island'.

Bob Six, Sunday, 30 December 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

yeah it's more like leicester

DG, Sunday, 30 December 2007 21:26 (eighteen years ago)

I'm amused at Manchester being mentioned as a locus of violence upthread, I have never seen an ounce of trouble in manchester. Or liverpool. Or london. Maybe I've just been lucky.

Southport, otoh....

Matt, Sunday, 30 December 2007 22:03 (eighteen years ago)

weren't there riots in manchester a few years back?

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Sunday, 30 December 2007 22:10 (eighteen years ago)

at least joey barton is off the streets

Just got offed, Sunday, 30 December 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

I must have missed them. I don't recall any.

And yes, now we can all sleep safer.

Matt, Sunday, 30 December 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

2001, brah.

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Sunday, 30 December 2007 23:02 (eighteen years ago)

it was just before i got out there.

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Sunday, 30 December 2007 23:02 (eighteen years ago)

don't think there were riots in manchester in 2001. bolton and other places. england can be menacing and violent but i would have thought momus liked that sort of thing, being a flaneur/dandy type.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 30 December 2007 23:04 (eighteen years ago)

Momus != Morrissey

HI DERE, Sunday, 30 December 2007 23:47 (eighteen years ago)

Oh aye, there was some kerfuffle in oldham, maybe? Not strictly Manc. I was referring specifically to nights out on the lash in Manchester city centre of which I've had more than a few, and, as yet, no trouble.

A riot, though, is an event with a specific cause, and surely does not equate to the ever-present undercurrent of menace of which people speak. It's not like you'd walk Britain's streets afraid of a riot breaking out. I understand concerns over swaggering, braying groups of lads but I find these, on the whole, ignorable. This is, of course, a personal response. I can understand why people would find them intimidating.

Matt, Sunday, 30 December 2007 23:50 (eighteen years ago)

The riots were in Bradford and (I _think_) Oldham.

xxxp

Dom Passantino, Sunday, 30 December 2007 23:51 (eighteen years ago)

^^^not very pretty i tell thee

Just got offed, Sunday, 30 December 2007 23:52 (eighteen years ago)

I listened to his biggest charting hit and it was like an acid house version of the theme from "May to December". Dubious credibility!!

JTS, Monday, 31 December 2007 03:29 (eighteen years ago)

How do you think Britain has changed, if it has, over the past three years? Have to say, however much I dislike the place, I can't, nor ever have, identify with Momus' view of Britain as a place of menace and violence.

Three years ago, the place did seem to be menacing in some way. On the bus or train to work, there seemed to be a row or a fight once or twice every week, drunk people, who were often very young, aggressive and in your face seemed a common sight. It was all very depressing, and it made me want to emigrate, find somewhere a little less densely populated. It was really a fuck awful time.

Now things seem different, I can't remember the last time I saw a punch-up, not for a year at least. It seems less threatening going out on an evening for some reason, I think people just seem less in your face generally?

The good thing about the way things were back then is that it got me into doing my electrician's qualifications, doing something to make my life better.

I didn't bother reading Momus' piece again, he seems to be a bit repetitive these days.

Pashmina, Monday, 31 December 2007 11:22 (eighteen years ago)

France has had more social unrest recently than the UK?

Bob Six, Monday, 31 December 2007 12:16 (eighteen years ago)

fifteen years pass...

Disappointed they didn’t get him a reality TV series where he visits different parts of the UK to get to the soul of the country. John Harris with better dress sense and better ideas.

Dan Worsley, Sunday, 3 September 2023 16:00 (two years ago)

Did John H go out (and/or marry?) a teenager too? Find the whimsical revisionist nature of this post very strange

ydkb (gyac), Sunday, 3 September 2023 16:11 (two years ago)


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