Apocolypse Now Vs Full Metal Jacket Vs Platoon Vs We Were Soldiers Vs Band of Brothers

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which is your most favoritest?

Apocolypse Now Redux for me (tho I still say The Deer Hunter is the best war pic ever made) and I'd like to just come out and say how much I hate Platoon. What a shitbomb.

We Were Soldiers is only on there because my buddy is an ex-Marine and he says that it was very realistic. I haven't even seen it yet.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:47 (twenty years ago)

Full Metal Jacket is not primarily a war movie

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:48 (twenty years ago)

HAMBURGER HILL

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

i may have to go with band of brothers here. if i could add one, it'd be STALINGRAD.

― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

gabbneb why do you say that?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

HELLO

the question is really

GLORY vs THE GREAT ESCAPE

― Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

Down Persicope

― latebloomer: HE WHOM DUELS THE DRAFGON IN ENDLESS DANCE (latebloomer), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

Apocalypse Now Redux was craptastic. That movie did not need another 60 minutes of surreal Playmate-fucking tacked on.

Weird question, since it's not about one conflict.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

HOGAN'S HEROES.

― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:34 (twenty years ago)

Band of Brothers is pretty fucking great, like Saving Private Ryan if it didn't completely suck for most of its running time.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:35 (twenty years ago)

Stalingrad is really good. That ending is something else.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:37 (twenty years ago)

wasn't there ANOTHER mid-to-late 80s Vietnam flick, total B-grade, that had like the name of a battle or a Vietnamese town or something like that? I'm totally blanking on this.. it was totally forgettable but I think it existed.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

Gear i totally disagree about SPR. Did you like Black Hawk Down?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:40 (twenty years ago)

Just read a great book on Stalingrad. When did this movie come out?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:40 (twenty years ago)

Enemy at the Gates is surprisingly not worthless

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:40 (twenty years ago)

there was uncommon valor...and one with michael j. fox? or was that uncommon valor?? we had a whole passel of vietnam movies there for a while.

― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:41 (twenty years ago)

yes, I did very much! SPR was bogged down with too much sentimental, false crap in my book. There's a lot of sentiment in BOB as well, but it doesn't strike any false notes.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)

TELL ME I'M A GOOD MAN

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:43 (twenty years ago)

America: "No."

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:44 (twenty years ago)

milo otm...Saving Private Ryan would've been much much better had it been cut down to just the battle sequences!

...or if it had had a decent sript in between!

― latebloomer: HE WHOM DUELS THE DRAFGON IN ENDLESS DANCE (latebloomer), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)

whats the deal with damon's character being the one "remmebering" the events in the film? he was only there n the last act. fucking incompetent screenwriters.

― latebloomer: HE WHOM DUELS THE DRAFGON IN ENDLESS DANCE (latebloomer), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:47 (twenty years ago)

Ned, i'm thinking of this one, but apparently there are a few Stalingrads. what was the book?

― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:47 (twenty years ago)

The Michael J Fox one is Brian DePalma's Casualties of War.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)

The worst part was how Spielberg chickened out of confronting the question of why six guys should sacrificed for one, just tossing off the old "ours is but to do and die" and making Damon promise TO LIVE A GOOD LIFE.

Hank's unit should have had that conversation, realized what a load of shit the mission was and turned around.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:49 (twenty years ago)

those who invaded Normandy obtained powers of VISION that you and I can never possess

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:49 (twenty years ago)

Incompetent screenwriters, incompetent continuity editors, incompetent actors. Really everything about Saving Private Ryan was incompetent.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:49 (twenty years ago)

The interviews with Easy Company from Band of Brothers kill me every time I see it, their effectiveness puts the lie to Spielberg's sentimentality and clumsiness.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

when I saw previews for Band of Brothers I wanted to run the other way, but it has much better acting (amazing acting, actually), and a much more compelling story. Possibly because it was real!

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

I haven't We Were Soldiers, but I'm sure it sucked and I don't even know what Band of Brothers is, but Full Metal Jacket is better than the entirety of Apocalypse Now!. If Apocalypse Now! didn't include Kurtz or the ending with Brando wasn't so terrible it might have been far better (maybe even one of the best movies ever) but really when you get down to it Hearts of Darkness (the doc about the making of it) is better than what got released.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:54 (twenty years ago)

Band of Brothers was produced by Spielberg and Hanks and features the same cinematic style as SPR. Don't let that dissuade you, I think it's a must-see.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:56 (twenty years ago)

band of brothers is unbelievably great. netflix it, alex.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:56 (twenty years ago)

Alex - you don't like Kurtz??! B-b-but...the heads! On the stakes!

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

Alright I'll grab it, but it's gonna haveta cue after the second season of the Wire and the fourth season of Oz and possibly the first season of Deadwood (I'm onna HBO kick right now.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

Deadwood = necessary. Best show on TV

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)

good news! it's also HBO!

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)

That is (other than perhaps Superman) Marlon Brando's most embarassing performance, Roger.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)

Apparently people who like Band of Brothers also LIKE The Shield so maybe I should tell Adam to rent it too haha.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)

our BoB thread: Band of Odious Male Siblings

― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

Been meaning to check out The Shield.

Brando has sleepwalked through worse, Alex.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

anybody watching A Company of Soldiers right now? I should start a thread.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 03:17 (twenty years ago)

i think the much maligned "earn this" part of SPR is actually pretty interesting and moving. im not totally sure the film itself really attempts to state what "earning" it is--the seemingingly arbitrary nature of the Damon character being chosen to live while the others die sort of puts the lie to that whole line of thought. so "earning" it becomes a big void that he can't face up to--the fact of his living while the other men, represented in rows and rows of crosses, did not. it's completely imcomphrensible.

of course, on the other hand, it also seems spielberg (or whoever) mucks it up by suggesting with "tell me im a good man" that his becoming a middle class family man was earning it. typical spielberg move of running right up to the edge of profundity and great emotionaly power, and even a pretty deep abyss, and veering away to embrace comforting platitudes instead. the fact of that abyss is still there, though. and makes the film interesting to me.

― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 03:44 (twenty years ago)

"Brando has sleepwalked through worse, Alex."

Actually I totally forgot about this mid-sixties kidnap caper flick he did called Night of the Following Day. That's one of the worst performances EVER (not just by Marlon.) There is a sequence where Brando improvises "maaaaaaaaaaaaan" into every sentence for no apparent reason ("this caper is over, maaaaan. we're gonna get caught, maaaaaaaaaan. i don't like this at all, maaaaaaaan.") AND it's only in that one scene hahaha. It would almost be funny if it wasn't so baffling.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 04:59 (twenty years ago)

dude, the fourth season of OZ can wait.

― squeeee (PUNXSUTAWNEY PENIS), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 04:59 (twenty years ago)

Fuck that, I love OZ. I'll be alternating it and The Wire for the next week or so.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 05:05 (twenty years ago)

why u so crazy ;'( Adebisi and meloni were the only reasons to watch after the first season!!

― squeeee (PUNXSUTAWNEY PENIS), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 05:17 (twenty years ago)

Can we add Starship Troopers?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 05:21 (twenty years ago)

Also, Aliens.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 05:22 (twenty years ago)

duck soup

― squeeee (PUNXSUTAWNEY PENIS), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 05:28 (twenty years ago)

KELLY'S HEROES

― The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 05:30 (twenty years ago)

Wait, is Adebisi not in Season 4?!?!?!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 05:37 (twenty years ago)

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yes, i have. it's horrible.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

and boring as hell, too. though it is kinda MST3k-funny in spots.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/6302365686.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1122565833_.gif

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

Band of Brothers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Full Metal Me So Horny>Apocalypse Now>>>>We Were Soldiers>Platoon

― don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

What was that ww2 US army vs Wehrmacht film that I don't think ever even made it to the cinema that came out @ about the same time as SPR? Most of the action was set in a forest, and the whole film had a rather gloomy look to it

Thin Red Line? (except that was with Japanese not Germans) really good flick and hasn't been mentioned here yet

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

"A Midnight Clear" is ok

but i think don is right on this one, i love band of brothers so much it's a little embarrassing, considering. It's really watchable and enjoyable at all points, pretty impressive since its like 239485 hours long, the battle scenes are shot to make you understand space, movement, and how those influence decision-making in a crisis. And it doesn't shrink at all from the image of men being blown up and shot, which is a really compelling mix of gratuitousness, filmmaking resources, and uh moral committment.

― geoff (gcannon), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

Full Metal Jacket > Deer Hunter > Apocalypse Now > Hamburger Hill > Band of Brothers > Casualties of War > Boys in Company C (featuring R Lee Emry as a shouty drill instructor!) > Coming Home In A Body Bag 2 > Platoon

Honourable mention for Jacob's Ladder, which probably doesn't count as a Vietnam film.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

If we count Jacob's Ladder, then: Magnum PI >>>>>>> A Team > other stuff

― geoff (gcannon), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

You mean the entirety of Magnum Pie is a drug induced hallucination? That explains the Higgins character!

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Trumpets_Fade

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

Kelly's Heroes

― Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

1st half of FMJ > Band of Brothers > 2nd half of FMJ >>>>>[...]>> the rest of these. Apocalypse Now is borderline unwatchable (like almost everything else from the Raging Bulls generation).

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

1st half FMJ = Kilgore scenes AN > any given random 30% of BoB >>>>> other 70% of BoB >>>>>> The rest of FMJ >>>>>>> Platoon > WWS > the rest of AN

― Jimmy Mod is like a child who walks into the middle of a movie (The Famous Jimmy, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

I was really impressed with "A Midnight Clear." Father's ending montage was heartwrenching.
I'm pretty sure my answer is "Apocalypse Now," but I don't know much about war films (and haven't seen all the options).

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 04:06 (nineteen years ago)

DEAD PRESIDENTS

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

god the nam scenes in dead presidents look like they were shot in someone's back yard. it is worth it to see christofuh with his balls in his mouth.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

did anybody actually see "Windtalkers" or whatever the hell that thing was?

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 05:14 (nineteen years ago)

No I heard it was crap. Full Metal Jacket towers above everything else here, although Band Of Brothers was excellent television and Apocalypse Now has memorable scenes galore (plus I can't watch it without seeing the psychotic reality of the production behind the film).

I don't get all this Full Metal Jacket-first-half shit though. There aren't halves in that film. FMJ is essentially comprised of 4 or 5 different short films, which are probably best seen as movements in a symphony. None of these sections have memorable characters the likes of Private Pyle during the initial boot camp sequence (Matthew Modine = not memorable), but that's the whole point of the film, regarding war and individuality. Kubrick was pretty anti-commercial for a guy who managed to get most of his projects off the ground.

― cosmo vitelli (cosmo vitelli), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 06:02 (nineteen years ago)

the last scene of FML, with the sniper girl, is one of the most haunting moments in any movie ever. that whole movie is like dr strangelove stripped of the snarky hipness; like a joke so cold you can't laugh at it.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 06:25 (nineteen years ago)

That last scene with the sniper girl convinced me I wanted to shoot mostly with wide-angle lenses (um, when I finally get the money to shoot a feature : ). It was sort of an epiphany. Few moments in the history of cinema have tossed me right into the middle of the action.

― cosmo vitelli (cosmo vitelli), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 06:46 (nineteen years ago)

There aren't halves in that film.

jesus fucking christ it was just a figure of speech dude, wasn't like i had a fucking usher come into my living room selling ice cream after the drill instructer part finished.

ffs

― Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe you missed the other posts, dude.

― cosmo vitelli (cosmo vitelli), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 08:14 (nineteen years ago)

just watching the first episode of Band Of Brothers, Simon Pegg? wtf?

― Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

have to go with _platoon_.

i grew up loving _apocalypse now_, but seeing it recently i thought it was wordy, over-the-top and just basically ridiculous. well, i guess all war movies are, but this was compounded by the fact that, despite the great look of the film, coppola obviously knows zip about military matters.

full metal jacket is a great depiction of the marines, but again, the climacting battle scenes just didn't click. the marines come across as incompetent. isn't that the point of the brutal training, to break you down and mold you into a soulless and efficient killing machine? so then how come kubrick shows them standing around screaming at each other? they say that disciplined suffered in vietnam, but it wasn't as bad as that. that's a problem with a lot of anti-war films, they feel like in order to make their point they have to portray the american military as incompetent. which is false and totally obscures an important point: the guys on the ground aren't incompetent - it's the civilian leaders in washington that are clueless as hell.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

the human factor is the wild card kubrick was portraying. no soldier is a soulless killing machine. and war will fuck you up.

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

they say that disciplined suffered in vietnam, but it wasn't as bad as that.
You were there?

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

We Were Soldiers was that Mel Gibson thing, right?

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

and hell, why are we just limiting it to this handful of flicks? we need more Dirty Dozen, Force 10 From Navarone, Memphis Belle, etc

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

are there any good world war I movies? i can only think of all quiet on the western front.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 5 October 2006 05:56 (nineteen years ago)

"La Grande Illusion" and "Paths Of Glory" are a couple of classic WW1 movies. The former is one of Jean Renoir's best, the latter contains the most warmly human scene in a Stanley Kubrick film.

― cosmo vitelli (cosmo vitelli), Thursday, 5 October 2006 06:38 (nineteen years ago)

I really like Apocalypse now. Might be one of my fave film ever. Never thought Deer Hunter was a "war movie" (which doesn't mean I don't like it, it's great). Band of brothers is good (and indeed, much better than SPR). so mostly, I agree with things said here.... except on one point : it seems I'm one of the only person who doesn't hate platoon. actually, I really liked it when I was younger. Haven't seen it again in years but I don't understand the hate. It's a pretty good and efficient "war movie", although, of course, not a great film in an artsy sense.
Also, do "war tapes" count ?

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 5 October 2006 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

i don't hate platoon either

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 5 October 2006 09:22 (nineteen years ago)

oh right, i completely forgot grand illusion - it's one of my favorite movies. paths of glory is great too.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 5 October 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

my favorite ww1 movie = Capitaine Conan

― PRKLTR (flezaffe), Thursday, 5 October 2006 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

re: gear, i just think he overplayed his hand.
re: milo, no i've never been to vietnam. i guess from now on i'll never have an opinion about a place i've never been!

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

Or you'll never get to make sweeping judgements about the mindset and reactions of small groups of individuals during an event you never experienced in a land you never visited.

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

sure milo, let's just throw away all the history books. they're worthless anyway.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

that's the whole point of the film, regarding war and individuality. Kubrick was pretty anti-commercial for a guy who managed to get most of his projects off the ground.

-- cosmo vitelli (jacobma...), October 4th, 2006 3:02 AM.

It's not very effective to defend Kubrick by saying "it's insert pejorative because he meant it to be insert pejorative". I love Kubrick, but frankly he sometimes ran out of gas. Just because he was obssessively methodical doesn't mean you can forgive every aesthetic misstep he ever made.

Hate Platoon and Apocalypse Now is untouchable top 10 for me.

― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0374463/

so, they're making a Pacific Theater version of BoB, then?

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 9 October 2006 05:56 (nineteen years ago)

I've seen just about every flick namechecked on this thread so far, and by far my favorite WW2 movie is The Big Red One

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 9 October 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Has anyone else out there seen 84 Charlie Mopic?

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 9 October 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

five years pass...

this is a great read

http://www.destructibleman.com/2010/06/green-berets-john-wayneray-kellogg-1968.html

http://i.imgur.com/Zqopo.jpg

― Hungry4Ass, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 11:50 (thirteen years ago)

six years pass...

Watched this clearance-bin DVD, Bravetown. The film itself wasn't much--a lot of histrionics from the actors, and whereas I was expecting sort of a You Can't Go Home Again thing, with a 17-year-old New York DJ forced to return to his dad's custody in a small North Dakota town, it was instead a little of that and lots of corny Bring It On dance-team scenes. Anyway, the really strange thing is this ongoing Platoon worship going on in the film. The kid is forever watching the film at home, and the big climactic scene--you can't make this stuff up, right?--is a dance he choreographs for the team at the state finals that uses the Platoon soundtrack and has the dancers falling all over the place like they've been shot. It's supposed to be really powerful, because the small town is a military town where every family has lost someone in the Iraq War, and it is, a little, but mostly I felt like I was watching the Max Fischer Players and couldn't stop laughing.

― clemenza, Sunday, 16 September 2018 00:47 (seven years ago)

I haven't seen Platoon since it came out. Didn't like it--I liked the next few films Stone made better.

― clemenza, Sunday, 16 September 2018 00:48 (seven years ago)

Yeah I don’t like Platoon as much as I used to. Feels very corny now.

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 16 September 2018 02:18 (seven years ago)

Speaking of great war films/series, I was late to discover Kill Generation, an HBO 1-season tv show.
It might be my favourite war "film" ever.
It's an amazing depiction of Irak 2 embedded with a recon marine unit.
The way they illustrate silly/criminal command, the internal power struggles, the desorganization/incomprehensible logics of the military... and the sheer and absurd violence of it all.
Also, something that increases the "reality" feeling is that there's no music in the soundtrack, only the songs the marines sing themselves... except the final scene with J. Cash's fantastic "The Man Come's Around".
Imo, this show is head and shoulders about Band of Brothers, for instance.

― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 14:09 (seven years ago)

Yeah I loved that series!
also my inner pedant demands me to say that it’s called Generation Kill

sorry :)

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 21:02 (seven years ago)

The book is really good too

― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 21:56 (seven years ago)

otm

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 20 September 2018 03:27 (seven years ago)

Eheh ah yes of course, thanks !
(Actually the only thing I dislike about that show is its lame/generic title...)

― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 20 September 2018 06:36 (seven years ago)

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