Explosion at Liverpool Street - Thread Two (News Updates Go Here)

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MOD EDIT: This thread is for posting news updates. Discussion and analysis should go on another thread, for instance this one.

SUMMARY FOR NEW READERS: All of London ILX are accounted for and OK, except for Liz, who is missing. As soon as we have any news of her we will post it and also start a new thread.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 7 July 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

CNN are reporting 40 deaths, 300 casualties and 1000 walking wounded apparently. The BBC are reporting 2 confirmed deaths. I am glad we have Public Service Broadcasting.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 7 July 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

Guardian trying to confirm more than 30 deaths...

― tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

Just heard about this and haven't read the first thread. Does it seem like all ILXors are OK? I guess that's a selfish question to ask, but I just want to make sure.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

Am I right in thinking that the only person who hasn't checked in so far is Liz?

― MIS Information (kate), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

Most are accounted for.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

Everyone else accounted for afaik.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

(At my saying that, some regular who has been stranded on the tube for six hours is going to pop up and say NOT ONLY WAS I STRANDED ON AN EXPLODED TUBE, BUT YOU HAAAAAAATE ME AND HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT ME, TOO!)

― MIS Information (kate), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

I've not seen Liz check in yet. Anyone know where she could be?

― tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

Of course I can no longer get to the bottom of the thread...

― tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

hehe, kate otm i think :)

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

Because it happened on 7/7 we aren't going to confuse Americans if we refer to today like that in the future I guess.

I still feel really shakey. Picturing what it must have been like on the tube when it happened and they're still trying to get people out, apparently.

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

Argh, even the Guardian has started rocking the "Terrorists Rock London" strapline. :-(

― MIS Information (kate), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

Argh, even the Guardian has started rocking the "Terrorists Rock London" strapline. :-(

I can't help thinking of the proximity in timing to Live8 here.

― tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

It's big city and there aren't really that many ILXors here so, statistically, we should be alright

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

Radio 1 now playing "Where Is The Love".

Too soon.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

Hey Dada! Are your statisticals alright?

― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

If anyone is in the area (Matt? Colette?) I'm meeting Alix outside Angel tube station at 4.30pm - just if anyone is passing that way and wants to meet up briefly.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

The bus bomb was on a Number 30 from Hackney

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

hope i'm not speaking out of line here, but i've just had an email from Rob and they haven't managed to speak to liz yet. i'm sure, as martin said, she's just somewhere the phone isn't working.

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

Even so, Gareth come close to the bus blast time/ location wise

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

Anyone spotted EBTG "Walking Wounded" yet on the media?

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

For awhile I had completely forgotten that a girl in my social circle, my best freind's former roommate, recently got knocked up and moved to London to marry her British husband. Who drives a tube train. . . no word from them yet.

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

I hope Liz is OK!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

I really, really need a drink. If anyone's in the Angel area would they be up for meeting in the Red Lion? I don't quite feel like walking through central London just yet.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to walk home soon and will be passing Angel. Don't know how long it'll take but I'll look out for y'all

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

Oh fuck off.

― Venga (Venga), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

Martian, can you quit it with the "funny" remarks, they're not helping at all, numbnuts

― chris/porkpie/cabbage, Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

I would have to walk through Central London to get to Islington... argh. Though I could do with a drink, it's the reverse direction for me. Anyone want a drink in Holborn/Bloomsbury?

Useless statistics alert:

According to blog tracking service Technorati, there were more than 1,300 posts about the blasts by 10.15am this morning, just an hour after the first report of emergency services being called to Liverpool Street station.

― MIS Information (kate), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

Vodafone apparently switched off lines so emergency services, government people etc(they have special chips in their phones) can get access easy.
Plus with the amount of people using the phones to find out everyone is ok can block lines.
Also some people just leave phones at home by accident etc.

― Andy Jay, Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

Just walked home from Docklands, was surreal doing temp agency tests while trying to listen to tinny office radio. When I left house everything was already mental (after news of two explosions), I must have got one of the last DLRs. Magnitude of it all only beginning to sink in now as I catch up, glad everyone's OK.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

All I can say is I'm glad I walk most places when and if I can!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

This according to SKy news btw

xpost

― Andy Jay, Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

The Prodigy's Brixton Academy gig has been called off, while a decision about Blue at Wembley has yet to be made.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4660673.stm

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

Hello, ilx.

The fatalities - any fatalities - in London as a result of what happened are terrible.

Like you, I expect, I have been thinking many thoughts, and a lot of them have been about the failure of the war on terror so far, the resounding sense that the attack on Iraq was a terrible distraction of resources and energy away from the real threat - as well as, possibly, a provocation to / breeding ground for terrorists. It infuriates me that if this point is put to T Blair, he will say 'I don't accept that we shouldn't do what we think is right just because we are scared of the consequences', or something - which sounds true and hard to argue with, even though he and his policy have been proved wrong.

I was moved by a snatch of speech from Ken Livingstone.

― the pinefox, Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

Matt I'll meet you in the Red Lion in half an hour or so?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

Sky news is reporting that an emergency news conference is starting within minutes.

So perhaps there will be more information confirmed here.

btw how are people in London going to get home from work?

― Andy Jay, Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

(FYI: American media is certainly shoping Livingstone's response around; I herad it on a ClearChannel station as I was taking my morning shower.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

Patrick Mercer's tone on News24 is oddly odious.

― mzui (mzui), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

I'll be out of here by four. See anyone in the area in the Red Lion.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

some overground train services are running a limited service. Lots of us will have to work. Buses are only suspended in zone 1, but I imagine that it will have messed up the rest of the service

― Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

I am so so glad everyone is alright. NPR is really stressing the connection to G8...

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

I hope Liz shows up soon and I hope everyone's friends and family are okay.

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

I'm now being told to go home. Will wait until 3.30/4pm though.

Man, I want a drink but I should probably stay compis mentis for the long walk home, and find a friend in Brixton to drink with.

― MIS Information (kate), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

Because it happened on 7/7 we aren't going to confuse Americans if we refer to today like that in the future I guess.

Yeah, but it'll still sound like a call on CB radio. Breaker one-niner, we got a situation, uh, it's a seven-seven!

― Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

Radio 1 now playing "Where Is The Love".

Too soon.

To be fair to Radio 1, Colin Murray did apologise afterwards & said that it was impossible to vet every song they're playing.

Damn Poxy fule message, still no word from Liz?

― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

I am delighted to see that a popular response to this event is to go out for a thoroughly secular drink. I intend to wallow in Western decadence this weekend and maybe go to a strip joint with some Zionists or sumthin'.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i hope liz is just at a pub somewhere sharing her lunch and cake with people...

― colette (a2lette), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

Is adamrl's family okay? I know he's from Edgware.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

33 fatalities plus the bus confirmed.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

Skipping 677 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

they somehow established that he's missing at 10am??

Pure speculation, but I'd guess "missing" in this case meant "vanished from home without telling anyone", i.e. yr common-or-garden "missing person".

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

they somehow established that he's missing at 10am??

Well, he was presumably missing because he wasn't where he would normally be in Leeds. It doesn't say they reported him missing in response to the attacks.

― Venga (Venga), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

News abuzz with discussion of "homegrown terrorism".

― I'd still rather be in Tokyo (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

maybe i misheard, ken. i thought that's what they said, though.

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

even if it was in response to the attacks, i would imagine that a lot of people panicked and reported relatives/loved ones missing quite quickly if they were unreachable and known to be in london.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

This sounds like fantastic forensic and police work.
OTM. Top class job being done here.

I find this immensely reassuring. I am also reassured to know that the bombs were suicide bombers and not remotely triggered.

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

I heard that, too.

― I'd still rather be in Tokyo (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

quite sad for the family of the bomber, in that case.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

English Grissoms did their job spectacularly quickly. I am feeling reassured. And relieved.

x-x-xpost

― MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

But (if memory serves) by 10 o'clock it was still mysterious power surges.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

(that was to Lauren)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

No - by 10am the bus had exploded and that was when people went OH NO! BOMBS OH NO!!!

(Anyway, it's entirely possible that it was a standard missing persons report and nothing to do with the bombs.)

― MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

I am also reassured to know that the bombs were suicide bombers and not remotely triggered.

Whereas for me it's quite the opposite. One would hope that with remote bombing there is a chance that people can be extra vigilant and notice unattended bags and packages more readily. With suicide bombers this is not as likely thus harder to stop.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

2,500 hours of CCTV footage were reviewed and they were able to identify four men from that. Incredible.

― I'd still rather be in Tokyo (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

However, Stevem, it does mean FOUR LESS BRUTAL F*CKING TERRORIST BASTARDS WALKING THE EARTH.

sorry, [/daily mail reader anger]

― MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Seems to me the authorities may have intentionally created a backlog of developments -- all to be revealed to the public in more-or-less one fell swoop -- to surprise possible accomplices and sympathizers.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Good point stevem, but this way you know that some of the swine are dead and not at large planning new attacks. Yeah, what Kate said.

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

Probably more like 50 hours from the 2% of active CCTV cameras.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

Check the other thread. First post about the bus was 10:04.

Four guys travel to London together and there's one dead at each site. That's pretty fucking watertight, isn't it?

― grraham (noodles is a cunt), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

That's still a lot of info/activity from an investigation only four days old!

xxp

― I'd still rather be in Tokyo (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

> are they suggesting one of the houses was booby trapped or something?

the bombers responsible for spanish explosions blew themselves up rather than let themselves be captured so it was always a possibility.

― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

(xpost)

Oh, absolutely. I can't exactly remember at what point after 9/11 (or the '93 WTC bombing) (or Oklahoma City) American authorities were able to identify suspects. Time for Wikipedia.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

I'm really glad they've identified who did it. (Though a small, small, small, small part of me worries that the pressure to 'Find Out Who Did This, Pronto!' may lead to wrongful arrests. But I doubt it.)

― marianna lcl (marianna lcl), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

First WTC bombing was February 26, 1993; according to Wikipedia, "On March 4, 1993 authorities announced the capture of one of the suspected bombing conspirators Mohammad Salameh and exactly one year later four terrorists were convicted for their roles in the bombing."

Oklahoma City: "Timothy McVeigh, a Gulf war veteran, was arrested by an Oklahoma Highway Patrolman within an hour of the explosion after being pulled over for not having a license plate." Dumbass.

Can't find any exact data on 9/11 just yet, but check out what Wikipedia says about Mohammad Atta's current whereabouts under "Where is he now?"

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

i live in burley (leeds), i guess i wont be able to go back home then.

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, someone on this thread or the one before mentioned the ID cards thing. It's like they say in the article: they wouldn't have done much good in preventing it, but they would make IDing much easier. Except that IDing is mostly being held up by the need to clear people's names first.

Would it also not be easier to identify victims (dead or alive)? I sometimes wonder what happens when a person is run over and is in a coma. How do you identify the person? They're unconscious and can't really identify themselves. Of course now with bank cards, it's easier, but still...

I realize it won't prevent attacks like these, but it would make life easier in some ways. They are trying to *collect* info on our ID cards - like have your social security number etc - as they will contain chips so it's easier to have more info in the database.

― nathalie's body's designed for two (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

I seem to remember that they had solid leads for the 9/11 hijackers a few days after the attacks. They were pretty sloppy, or made no effort to cover their trail.

― geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

Well they wanted to be known so they could be hailed as martyrs didn't they?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

Just saying, finding leads in this case so quickly does not seem out of the ordinary.

― geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Radio is reporting a "security scare" at the Houses of Parliament. All exits/entrances closed but the buildings haven't been evacuated.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Hi guys.

You've probably already come to this conclusion, but there has still been no official confirmation. We do know that all survivors have been successfully identified and that they're still working on the Kings Cross site. And we've been told it may be take up to another week before we receive formal confirmation.

Rob is surrounded by family and he's asked me to again thank everyone for all their outpourings of love and support.

― marianna lcl (marianna lcl), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

Marianna, I'm in California so there's very little of any consequence I can do to console Rob or you or any of the other Londoners. I wonder if you might, if you deem it appropriate, ask Rob if there's any charity we could donate a little something to in her name.

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

I've not really got the words. My heart and thoughts are with Liz's family and with Rob.

― Al_Ewing, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)

Marianna, thank you immensely for the time you've spent with Rob over the last five days. I doubt I could do so for more than an hour, and I'm sure everyone here would agree that you're a complete angel.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:25 (twenty years ago)

much sadness, even more love. :(

― Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)

i wish the greatest strength to rob and liz's family in the coming days, weeks, months, and years.

lest that sound a bit pat: i find it incredibly upsetting just to contemplate such a thing happening-- i mean, literally happening, taking place--to someone i may not know personally, but who i know through posts here. perhaps there's something selfish about this reaction. i don't know. whatever love can be expressed on a post on an internet messaging board, consider it expressed.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)

i should add that i wish strength to all of liz's friends who i've interacted with here on ilx.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:00 (twenty years ago)

godspeed, liz. xxx

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

My heart keeps breaking everytime I read this thread or the newspapers and think about how awful this is for everyone.

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

What Amateurist said.

― k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)

I can't think of anything to add. I wish this were a bad dream. My heart goes out, constantly, to Rob and to Liz's family.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 00:38 (twenty years ago)

the day after the bombings, I had a pretty sleepless night. I was tossing and turning and having these dreams, which seem sort of stupid maybe, but they all involved an announcement being made which Liz explained, in some rather charming manner, why she had yet to post and that she was just fine. And each time I'd wake up and check these threads and it wouldn't be the case. I've yet to meet her and don't recall much of our interactions other than some kind birthday wishes she extended me one time, some joshing back and forth, etc. But still, I do feel like I know her and I feel like I'm half-assing it on here these days, because it's at the forefront of my mind.

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

dear lord, i have not the words...

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)

I've had the same sorts of dreams, Gear. I've rushed to the computer every morning since this has happened and refreshed ILE in hopes that the dream came true. Heck, this whole dream scenario has transferred itself over to my waking life, to where my mind is constantly preoccupied with "I wonder"s.

On a purely selfish level, I wish that she had read the last thing I posted to the "Piercing babies' ears" thread, because I didn't want her o feel like I had taken offense by what she had said therein. I think what she had said was just indicative of varying ideas of what "normalcy" is and not at all a slam on the "brown people". I guess these thoughts preoccupy me as well because that's the one time I can remember where I actually directly interacted with her.

This is SO going to be an impetus for me to try to get to know as many people here as I can. So I can actually feel like I know everyone. Anyway. Enough self-centered thinking. My thoughts continue to be with Liz's family and Rob. And Liz too.

― The Kind and Benevolent Oracle of Dee (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 01:18 (twenty years ago)

there aren't a lot of words. love to all.

― juliaaa, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 02:44 (twenty years ago)

i never know what to say. my heart goes out to all.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

This is all terrible. Liz and Rob have been in my thoughts as well, but it's not as if that has given me anything better to say than that.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 05:05 (twenty years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4677603.stm

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 05:07 (twenty years ago)

I wish I could turn the clock back. This sadness is almost unbearable - I can't even begin to imagine how much worse it must be for those of you who were lucky enough to have known Liz personally.

My love to you all.

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 05:12 (twenty years ago)

I've started two new threads.

Liz Daplyn is a thread for Liz.

London Bombings - News Updates, Ongoing Developments, etc. is a thread for continued news updates on the attacks in general.

If someone could lock this I'd be grateful.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 05:50 (twenty years ago)

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