Liz Dap1yn RIP (a thread for support, thoughts and news)

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Hi guys.
You've probably already come to this conclusion, but there has still been no official confirmation. We do know that all survivors have been successfully identified and that they're still working on the Kings Cross site. And we've been told it may be take up to another week before we receive formal confirmation.

Rob is surrounded by family and he's asked me to again thank everyone for all their outpourings of love and support.

-- marianna lcl (mary_goodshoe...), July 12th, 2005 12:07 AM. (marianna lcl) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 05:43 (twenty years ago)

Marianna, I'm in California so there's very little of any consequence I can do to console Rob or you or any of the other Londoners. I wonder if you might, if you deem it appropriate, ask Rob if there's any charity we could donate a little something to in her name.
-- M. White (deir...), July 12th, 2005 12:14 AM. (Miguelito) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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I've not really got the words. My heart and thoughts are with Liz's family and with Rob.
-- Al_Ewing (ds...), July 12th, 2005 12:23 AM. (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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Marianna, thank you immensely for the time you've spent with Rob over the last five days. I doubt I could do so for more than an hour, and I'm sure everyone here would agree that you're a complete angel.
-- Andrew Farrell (afarrel...), July 12th, 2005 12:25 AM. (afarrell) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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much sadness, even more love. :(
-- Kim (grimstitc...), July 12th, 2005 12:43 AM. (Kim) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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i wish the greatest strength to rob and liz's family in the coming days, weeks, months, and years.
lest that sound a bit pat: i find it incredibly upsetting just to contemplate such a thing happening-- i mean, literally happening, taking place--to someone i may not know personally, but who i know through posts here. perhaps there's something selfish about this reaction. i don't know. whatever love can be expressed on a post on an internet messaging board, consider it expressed.

-- Amateur(ist) (amateurist@gmail.com), July 12th, 2005 12:58 AM. (Amateur(ist)) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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i should add that i wish strength to all of liz's friends who i've interacted with here on ilx.
-- Amateur(ist) (amateurist@gmail.com), July 13th, 2005 1:00 AM. (Amateur(ist)) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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godspeed, liz. xxx
-- luna (lunace...), July 13th, 2005 1:42 AM. (luna.c) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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My heart keeps breaking everytime I read this thread or the newspapers and think about how awful this is for everyone.
-- tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemarygilber...), July 13th, 2005 2:22 AM. (rosemary) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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What Amateurist said.
-- k/l (lauter...), July 13th, 2005 2:35 AM. (Ken L) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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I can't think of anything to add. I wish this were a bad dream. My heart goes out, constantly, to Rob and to Liz's family.
-- Rock Hardy (crump...), July 13th, 2005 2:38 AM. (Rock Hardy) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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the day after the bombings, I had a pretty sleepless night. I was tossing and turning and having these dreams, which seem sort of stupid maybe, but they all involved an announcement being made which Liz explained, in some rather charming manner, why she had yet to post and that she was just fine. And each time I'd wake up and check these threads and it wouldn't be the case. I've yet to meet her and don't recall much of our interactions other than some kind birthday wishes she extended me one time, some joshing back and forth, etc. But still, I do feel like I know her and I feel like I'm half-assing it on here these days, because it's at the forefront of my mind.
-- Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (speed.to.roam@gmail.com), July 13th, 2005 2:46 AM. (Gear!) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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dear lord, i have not the words...
-- kingfish (jdsalmo...), July 13th, 2005 2:51 AM. (Kingfish) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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I've had the same sorts of dreams, Gear. I've rushed to the computer every morning since this has happened and refreshed ILE in hopes that the dream came true. Heck, this whole dream scenario has transferred itself over to my waking life, to where my mind is constantly preoccupied with "I wonder"s.
On a purely selfish level, I wish that she had read the last thing I posted to the "Piercing babies' ears" thread, because I didn't want her o feel like I had taken offense by what she had said therein. I think what she had said was just indicative of varying ideas of what "normalcy" is and not at all a slam on the "brown people". I guess these thoughts preoccupy me as well because that's the one time I can remember where I actually directly interacted with her.

This is SO going to be an impetus for me to try to get to know as many people here as I can. So I can actually feel like I know everyone. Anyway. Enough self-centered thinking. My thoughts continue to be with Liz's family and Rob. And Liz too.

-- The Kind and Benevolent Oracle of Dee (newromanti...), July 13th, 2005 3:18 AM. (Dee the Lurker) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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there aren't a lot of words. love to all.
-- juliaaa (j_bdule...), July 13th, 2005 4:44 AM. (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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i never know what to say. my heart goes out to all.
-- Sterling Clover (s.clove...), July 13th, 2005 5:10 AM. (s_clover) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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This is all terrible. Liz and Rob have been in my thoughts as well, but it's not as if that has given me anything better to say than that.
-- Casuistry (chri...), July 13th, 2005 7:05 AM. (Chris Piuma) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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I wish I could turn the clock back. This sadness is almost unbearable - I can't even begin to imagine how much worse it must be for those of you who were lucky enough to have known Liz personally.
My love to you all.

-- C J (CJ_The_Unrul...), July 13th, 2005 7:12 AM. (C J) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 05:45 (twenty years ago)

My sincere condolences. No words are expressive enough, just good thoughts and wishes to you during this time.

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 05:47 (twenty years ago)

I'm so sorry.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 05:52 (twenty years ago)

My thoughts are with all of you.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 05:52 (twenty years ago)

Is this thread not a wee bit premature?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 05:54 (twenty years ago)

Is this thread not a wee bit premature?

...i hope so. i really really hope so.

― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 05:56 (twenty years ago)

[head hangs down, regardless]

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 05:58 (twenty years ago)

We shouldn't really be starting a separate Liz thread at all until we know for definite one way or the other. Otherwise condolences are being wasted on conjecture.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 05:58 (twenty years ago)

I think this thread is just for posting thoughts about Liz, it doesn't say "RIP Liz Daplyn" yet. There's a separate new thread for news about the bombing investigations.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 06:05 (twenty years ago)

Well I hope we don't have to add the "RIP" bit. Innocent until proven guilty, alive until proven not alive, that's the way I see it. One has to continue to hope.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 06:06 (twenty years ago)

As for me, I don't know what more can I say that I haven't already said. Except maybe for this: fuck you, you terrorists! Fuck you for using the lives of innocent people, people who had nothing to do with the occupation Iraq or anything you stand against (in fact, many of whom surely opposed that occupation), as pawns in your political power games that'll lead to nothing but more suffering.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 06:14 (twenty years ago)

Tuomas is right (and Ailsa was right when she suggested splitting the other thread a day or two ago): this is a thread where people can post support, condolences, or whatever they feel - it's not my intention to direct those feelings in any way.

News will also be posted here.

Sincere apologies to people who feel starting this thread was premature. I'm happy to discuss it further but it should be on the moderator board - London bombings thread

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 06:18 (twenty years ago)

I'm not going to be on ILX while I meet my biggest deadline of the past six months so I'd just like to say, before I dash off, that I really miss this kind, lovely girl who was just becoming my friend; likewise Rob my thoughts are with you so much it's been difficult to concentrate on just about anything else.

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 06:23 (twenty years ago)

i'd been avoiding that thread for days, i had no idea.

my thoughts go out to everyone close to liz, and not-so-close, and to all of us, in this terrible century. much love from mpls.

― g e o f f (gcannon), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 06:26 (twenty years ago)

I think maybe the thread should be retitled "Liz Daplyn - best wishes" or something similar just so that ILxors coming into work at nine or whenever don't get the wrong idea.

Can we also refrain from "fuck you, you terrorists!" rants/flare-ups as these are not helpful in any context, especially not in the context of this thread. Thank you.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 06:30 (twenty years ago)

I can offer but my Love and support and that doesn't seem like nearly enough.

(PS I agree with Marcello)

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 06:32 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for retitling the thread, Tom.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 06:35 (twenty years ago)

Liz, I miss you. That's all I can say. Suspended between hope and grief, and I can't stop thinking about you. Once you gave me "Longevity" - I wish I could return it to you. RIGHT NOW. In person.

Rob, you have all of our love, our support, our hope and our best wishes. ::hugs::

― MIS Information (kate), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 06:40 (twenty years ago)

I haven't posted on this or the other threads because I felt like an intruder because, well, I didn't know her aside from her posts. I just wanted to say it saddens me so to see you all grieving so much. I really hope she is in a hospital recovering.

― nathalie's body's designed for two (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 06:47 (twenty years ago)

nathalie has said exactly what i was also thinking. i add my sadness to hers.

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 06:53 (twenty years ago)

I add mine too. Love to everyone here.

― rainy (rainy), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 07:08 (twenty years ago)

I've felt like nathalie also. I don't know Liz or Rob but have been enormously moved by what has happened and anxiously scanning the board and other sources for news for days. I swithered about contributing to the other thread but didn't want to appear as a stranger intruding on private anguish. My heart goes out to Liz and Rob, their family and friends who must be living through the most unimaginable nightmare.

― frankiemachine, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 07:14 (twenty years ago)

I'm sorry about my last post, I just wanted to let out my anger, but this probably wasn't the best place. I send all my best wishes to Rob and to Liz's family, and I apologize that outburst.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 07:16 (twenty years ago)

I don't really know what I should or shouldn't say at this point, so I thought I'd just say that Liz you totally rock pretty lady & my thoughts & love are with you, Rob & your family.

― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 07:19 (twenty years ago)

My thoughts have been with Liz, and Rob, constantly for the past few days. Liz is a wonderful person and we're all so lucky to know her.

― Forest Pines, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 07:28 (twenty years ago)

I'm so sorry. Almost everything has seemed strange and unreal since all this happened so I can't even begin to imagine how it must feel for Rob and those close to Liz.

― Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 07:32 (twenty years ago)

becky phoned last night to find how things were, and reminded me of the cake liz and rob made for skidmore's and my birthday FAP, still only a month ago

the two of you were so always supportive and nice when i was going through tough times with my mum in hospital and after, and i am thinking of you constantly

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 07:42 (twenty years ago)

I never met you, but I wish I did. But regardless, you are so beautiful. The world misses so much without you. I miss you and I didn't even know you. Not that it's about me but you know. Gawd, it's hard to put into words. I just hope that, wherever you are, you feel the positive feelings that we're all putting in to just having known you in the smallest, most unimportant way. I can't speak for anyone else (though I probably have already) but to say that I miss you, alerady. There was never enough time, and I wish there was more. Please, please, be restful, be peaceful wherever you are now. I love you Liz, even if I never met you, I love you.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)

Such a shock. I've only met Liz a handful of times, but she's lovely and made me laugh. I'll picture her singing Blondie at the Astoria.

Thinking of you, and Rob. T x

― Tag (Tag), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 08:04 (twenty years ago)

This is the 6th morning I've checked in hoping to hear some good news. I'm not optimistic but as Marcello says we've got to keep hoping. I hope Rob and Liz's family can take a little comfort from the kind and loving thoughts being expressed here.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 08:06 (twenty years ago)

I just wrote a very long post, and then deleted it. It just doesn't seem appropriate, just yet.

Rob, I can't begin to imagine how you must be feeling right now. Likewise to Marianna, Ken, Mark and everyone else particularly close to her. If you're reading this, you're in my thoughts.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 08:23 (twenty years ago)

my thoughts and prayers are with liz, rob and families.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 08:47 (twenty years ago)

yeah what a horrid ordeal for those close to Liz, I know like alot of others here I've been checking the boards as often as possible, whatever time it is I've came in in the last few days, just hoping for some good news. god bless Rob and Liz's family and friends, this must be just the absolute worst.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

Like many here I've been checking the relevant threads a lot for news of Liz and also didn't feel I had anything I could post to add to the thoughts of those who knew her but I feel now that I want to. I've never met her and only know her from reading her posts here. It seems kind of surreal when real life intervenes in such a way on a forum like this. The walls of protection that shut this place off from real life suddenly come crashing down (at least that's how I feel anyway).

As with all of you my thoughts are with Liz and Rob and their families and friends and I hope they can take strength from the fact that so many here are thinking of them.

― mms (mms), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 09:06 (twenty years ago)

the glasgow crew have been huddling around, sharing our memories and hopes and fears, and sending good thoughts southward for days now. i've been playing my own - sadly, limited - liz home video in my head on repeat. it features lots of fun highlights, the top being the red bull dozer's glasgow premiere. there was also a particularly fun day (and night) out in brighton, and, unsuprisingly, a karaoke adventure. i think our most recent ile back-and-forth was a very exciting - ha! - discussion about weird cooking utensils. and even now, i continue to learn fun things about my friend, like her jeremy paxman moment. go liz! reading about her fantastic relationship with rob - so twee that their only 'fights' involved debating the proper way to cure hiccups - made me both smile and cry. it's been an emotional rollercoaster, and i suspect many feel the same. being in this weird limbo state is the worst bit of all. as much as i dread refreshing these pages sometimes, i'm also compelled to do so. and sometimes i don't regret it, because i see just how much liz is loved, even by strangers, and there's gotta be some good in that, no matter what the eventual outcome of this horrid thing is. in the meantime, i'll just continue to send big hugs every which way i can.

― dahlin (dahlin), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)

Best wishes to Liz and everyone who knows her.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 10:15 (twenty years ago)

i've been playing my own - sadly, limited - liz home video in my head on repeat.

Chris and I discussed this on saturday, we keep getting mini-clips of liz, not in any particular situations, just laughing, pulling faces, holding court giving out baking tips, being amazingly happy walking along with Rob. At the minute it's bittersweet, but in many ways it's good to remember all the good times to put the past few days into perspective.

I can't think of anything to say that dahlin and everyone else hasn't already said, so I just want to send my own love to Liz and Rob and their families and let them know that they're in my thoughts.

― Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 10:23 (twenty years ago)

i'm so sorry for all concerned. love and best wishes.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)

It's Liz's smile I particularly remember often right now, especially the ironic and mischevious versions of it.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

Yes, that's what I always think of. And her ability to say the most mischevious and wicked and funny things while maintaining the most innocent "butter wouldn't melt in her mouth" sugarplum smile.

― MIS Information (kate), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 10:31 (twenty years ago)

I can't speak for anyone else (though I probably have already) but to say that I miss you, already. -- hstencil (hstenc!...), July 13th, 2005.

Thanks, stencil, for having the guts and skill to voice what a lot of us are thinking and feeling. A lot of us have never met her and only know her from her postings, but it still hurts, so I can only imagine what her friends, family and Rob are going through.

Liz, there are thousands of us still thinking of you. Whatever the outcome you will never be forgotten here.

― Guilty Boksen (Bro_Danielson), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)

I keep thinking about how she always had a penknife with her, and that one time at ATP she gave me some dry shampoo because I couldn't wash my hair.

― Raston Warrior Robot (alix), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)

I'm having the same flurries of marvellous Lizness in my head too; there's a pair of photos I have from last year's pie party at ours - probably the best pix from that night - one high-ISO grainy shot of Liz looking quizzically as Pete Baran unfurls some brazen untruth, another low-ISO blurry one a few seconds later as they both dissolve into laughter. Smart, funny, generous - an absolute gem.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 10:39 (twenty years ago)

Amongst other things I love Liz for her frighteningly accurate Screaming Curious Orange impression (TMWRNJ fans will know what I mean), the way she said 'ih?' after not quite hearing something you'd say, complete and utter mastery of the art of cake (this is not to be understated), and top-notch wit.

What a classic flourish.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)

this is awful. i too have been avoiding the London threads and just now saw this one. all my love and best wishes to all of liz's friends IRL and online and hope, hope, hope. x

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 10:54 (twenty years ago)

My best wishes to Liz and Rob and all their family and friends; I'm very sad you all have to endure this dreadful pain and anxiety. I have been very moved by this though I have never met Liz and have only read her posts. I've always liked the way she signs off with a kiss after her name. Bless her, bless you all.

― estela (estela), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 11:00 (twenty years ago)

I'm thinking about getting the giggles when we adapted a classic ILE phrase into "And then they all Liz up."

This sounds utterly silly, but I just keep thinking how out of character it is for her, that she's not the type to go missing. Obv. this has no basis in logic or reason, but it keeps occuring to me.

Rob, and of course Liz's family, I'm thinking about you a lot and you have my love and best wishes.

― Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 11:02 (twenty years ago)

My thoughts are with all of you who consider Liz your friend.

― geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

The main images I have are of her holding court at Club FT on the sofas in the Chapel, French 75 in hand - always one of the first to arrive, generally one of the last to leave, she really helped turn those nights great. And then in the pub with the cakes, which being foolish I never actually ate any of. I don't think I've ever seen her looking bored, or cross - always amused, maybe a bit quizzical.

Thoughts and love to Rob, Liz and her family and friends.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

Skipping 355 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

I spent the entire of my Anger Management session yesterday rage, rage, raging against the dying of the light.

It was odd, that my shrink said of everyone that she was counselling, I was the only one of her clients who had actually lost someone in the bombing. That everyone had tales of narrow escapes and "had I not taken a later train, or gone another way..." As others have said above, that does not make me feel better, but worse. Why *her*? Why someone who had such an overwhelming good effect on so many of us? Someone who took the time and the effort to be so kind to everyone, who I genuinely feel helped a gang of disparate people meeting through a web-board turn into a genuine *community*?

I am in counselling for anger, not for grief, but my counseller had some good suggestions for dealing with it. Remember what was good and wonderful about her life, not what was awful and horrid and shocking and unneccessary about her death. Celebrate the qualities I admired, and try to emmulate those I will miss. Her sense, the way that she would react to the most annoying of things with a theatrical eye-roll and a dismissive sigh. Right now I'm treasuring that image.

But most of all to treasure the community that she helped to shape.

― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 06:57 (twenty years ago)

I'm another one who never met Liz: never talked with her. But I always enjoyed her style and her writing. She seems to have been a bloody good person to know, and my warmest wishes and sympathies go to all those who knew and loved her.

All the best for the afterlife, Liz. See you there sometime, hopefully. Save us a seat, okay?

― Ken Shinn, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

To Rob and everyone...I am so horribly sorry for your loss. God Bless you all.

― another2cents (another2cents), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

only met Liz and Rob once, at a picnic in Green Park. It's extremely sad when awful things happen to good people.

― James Jackson, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 07:28 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if that was the picnic where I first met her. I didn't know who she was at first.

― Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 08:03 (twenty years ago)

I shoukld point out that this is when I met a lot of other people for the first time too, and I didn't know who they were either, except Archel.

― Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 08:31 (twenty years ago)

that was the first time i met you too i think, peter stringbender. and i didn't know who you were until a while later.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 09:49 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned already, but a charitable fund has been set up by the Red Cross and Ken Livingstone, to support the victims of the attacks and their families. You can donate here:

http://www.redcross.org.uk//standard.asp?id=47805&cachefixer=

― Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 09:55 (twenty years ago)

Yes, Ken Chu, that is correct.

They are collecting in Pret too, but I'm not sure what for.

― Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)

Liz's obit was in The Times today.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)

It's here:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,60-1699489,00.html

I see she is a Leicestershire lass.

― Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 10:51 (twenty years ago)

I had been wanting to know, though it may have been mentioned on ILE or elsewhere before, about the time Liz had spent overseas e.g. Nigeria. I wanted to ask her about that.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

I just wanted to delurk and add my heartfelt love and condolences to all of yours. I didn't find out about Liz until yesterday as I'd been away for the weekend, but I'd been thinking about her an awful lot and the news still came as a shock. My story's the same as a lot of people's here - I didn't know her very well, but had chatted to her at the odd FAP/Club FT/Poptimism, and every time I met her was impressed by her warmth, charm and wit. I loved her face - so expressive, and she had an absoutely wicked smile and a way of raising her eyebrow at a rude remark that always made me crack up. She was always incredibly kind - I was having a pretty shitty time at Poptimism a couple of months ago, and Liz saw that and came over and tried to cheer me up. We talked about bargain trousers from Dorothy Perkins! I'm gutted that I'll never get to know her better.

With much love, and thinking of you all.

― katie (katie), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

RIP Liz

I held off writing to this thread since we only met once, but we had a great time in Cambridge last year and seeing the news on the BBC website has filled me with much sadness. This is the worst thing to happen to one of the friendliest people I've ever met and my heart goes out to you, Rob and your family and loved ones.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

This is tragic. I'd like to offer my condolences. I'd also like to personally apologize for our half-chimp president and his cabinet who I believe are vicariously responsible. Obviously the bombers carry a weight of blame but if not for my country's presence in Iraq I believe acts such as these would not be on the rise. I have got to get my family out of this country (amerika).

I am so sorry for your loss and those of others in London.

Hope to see FreakyTrigger back up and running soon.

― Effings, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

I only met Liz a couple of times back in my sinister days, but the memory has stayed with me. I haven't contributed to ILX before but I feel moved to do so now. I prayed it wasn't true and I am so sorry that it is. My thoughts are with everyone who knew and cared about Liz. I hope whereever she is now she is happy and at peace.

Yokojo

― Joanne Bunyan, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

Hi Liz. I distinctly remember the first time I met you. My initial thought was: 'this girl is exactly my cup of tea'. So I just dropped in to say thanks. Thanks for it all. I really enjoyed it.
Alasdair xx

-- Ally C (allycook9...), July 18th, 2005

Aside from the fact it was lovely to see Ally's name come up, the simplicity of this really touched me. Later on it - possibly irrelevantly - reminded me of Ivor Cutler's ‘Beautiful Cosmos’. As someone who can spend far too much time on t’internet I probably need to wean myself away from lurking on these boards for far too sensible, but important reasons.

I'm grateful for somewhere to have been able to drop anchor to hear others thoughts and await news. I've learned a lot more about Liz, and predictably regret not having spoken to her a heck of a lot more...
In fact there are a lot of good people I’d like to spend time with. People I’d like to get to know more, but probably more importantly people I already know well and can appreciate more… and perhaps have been doing a little more.

I suppose I'm at a point of resorting to my occasional eternal optimist side to look for good things that can come out of tragedy, evidencing I’m sure in part I've not been rocked as deeply as many others that really new Liz, but...

Well when someone gets chance to hold Rob, could they hold him a little bit longer and tighter than they might have done otherwise, and whilst doing so reflect on the well wishing and outpouring of love to him that’s been expressed in many messages here.

I can’t ignore a positive that has arisen that I’ve been in touch with some close friends, some more deeply affected than I, much more than I would have been otherwise… and re-connected with some. It doesn’t seem pointless to reflect on any positives we find, or perhaps that’s a psychological survival instinct.

It is amazing just how much one person can touch the lives of others. Honey somewhere referred to seeing Liz’s echoes everywhere, I’m supposing there is an honour in making these echoes, reverberations, as positive as possible, in that sense our influence on the planet continues…

I’m glad I looked it up ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frottage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frottage_(sexology)

I’m perhaps still a little confused by the randomness of events, together with being touched by the beauty of compassion that can arise from terror.

As much as I may accept ideas of impermanence intellectually I suppose it’s very obvious I seem to learn more from experience.

My mind goes to Mr. Bragg, again I’m not sure entirely appropriately:

Kiss me goodnight and say my prayers
Leave the light on at the top of the stairs
Tell me the names of the stars up in the sky
A tree taps on the window pane
That feeling smothers me again
Daddy is it true that we all have to die?

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wrote this a while ago, i thought i better do soemthing with it...
jim x

― jim taylor (jim purpletrousers), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

that was brilliant, jim.

― dahlin (dahlin), Thursday, 21 July 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

I think Liz would definately raise an eyebrow at how much snot is pouring down my face.
I'll be thinking of you lot in London tomorrow
love xxxxxxx

― Carey Lander (carey L), Thursday, 21 July 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

I haven't known what to say, but I feel kind of safe following Carey. I always thought Liz was a good sort. I first met her up on Primrose Hill on a Sinister picnic, with her friend Pam H. I was impressed by her braininess, erudition and home counties poshoness, which I think I teased her about. I think there was some argument about who the poshest person on Sinister was and I proposed her. I can't remember exactly. Nice, hazy memories.

Love to all her friends and family for tomorrow and always, and blessings on her memory.

Nick xx

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 21 July 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

Yesterday, the Guardian had a long article of interviews with emergency service staff who were on the scene on July 7th. The following quote is from a doctor who worked to rescue people from Russell Square station; I thought it would be appropriate to post it here.

Reflecting later, Hegarty realised something that might offer solace to those bereaved by the Piccadilly line bomb. Only some of those he treated could even remember hearing a bang - and those who died, he says, may well have had no awareness of what happened. "They probably wouldn't even have had fear - the thought that something was wrong. They might not even have heard a bang, because you feel an explosion before you hear it. If it's any consolation to the relatives, it was like flicking a switch, and the switch is flicked before you're aware of it."

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 22 July 2005 06:00 (twenty years ago)

I have been hoping that all this time that this is how it was for her -- the cruelty of this fate is beyond measure, so that any slight mitigation means much.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 July 2005 07:15 (twenty years ago)

Me too, Ned.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 22 July 2005 07:28 (twenty years ago)

I set my alarm for 530 - I'll be thinking of y'all. Much love xxxxx

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 22 July 2005 07:31 (twenty years ago)

I have had not much that I was able to bring myself to say on this. Aided by a bit of drink, and more than a little recognition of other things in my own life that are very much finite and precious, I've come to the best solution I can. I want it to work. There is simply no other way that I am able to imagine that we may police our own mass transit, and so forth.

Above all, be neighbourly.

When you are part of a crowd of people joining another crowd on board a subway, ask what's in their bag. Simple question. Ask if you can see. Simple curiosity! No harm done, just we're all a bit scared and knowing is preferable to ignorance. Keep an eye out. Know the names of your next-door colleagues in the city life. Know all the people in your office. Know where to find people. Make a plan for getting back to your loved ones in times of crisis, and how to find each other when everyone seems lost. Pick the simplest routes and stick to them. Be a neighbour, be an acquaintance, of everyone who's close to you, emotionally, geographically, or ideologically, as it were. Make yourself a resource that others can rely on in these absurd slash tragic times.

Take all loss as a notice, that you need to stand up straighter.

I miss Liz.

More than anything I now feel exactly what it is to miss that day-to-day peace that we had, that I even had as active duty military, and most all my friends were the same.

The world is Beirut. It was only a matter of time before we made it so. The measure of a species is how we adapt; I suggest a few dinner parties and getting to know that fellow upstairs who only checks his mail once a month.

And check his bag when you both end up on the same train, because, you know, you're neighbours, why not?

― TOMBOT, Friday, 22 July 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if this will help anyone, but I just saw Forest Pine's post, and I thought you might want to read my diary

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4670099.stm
http://rachelnorthlondon.blogspot.com/

I was on the same carriage as Liz, and I am so very sorry. I was in the front half of the carriage, by the first set of double doors. Liz would have been at the back of the carriage.

I am so sorry. Dave B who is my friend and I drank to her and the otehrs last week. I don't know what else to say.

― Rachel Mc (Badgerkitten), Friday, 22 July 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if this will help anyone, but I just saw Forest Pine's post, and I thought you might want to read my diary

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4670099.stm
http://rachelnorthlondon.blogspot.com/2005/07/drinking-to-dead.html

I was on the same carriage as Liz, and I am so very sorry. I was in the front half of the carriage, by the first set of double doors. Liz would have been at the back of the carriage.

I am so sorry. Dave B who is my friend and I drank to her and the otehrs last week. I don't know what else to say.

― Rachel Mc (Badgerkitten), Friday, 22 July 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

sorry x post. The second one is the one I meant to post wiht the right links.

― Rachel Mc (Badgerkitten), Friday, 22 July 2005 11:56 (twenty years ago)

(x-post) **When you are part of a crowd of people joining another crowd on board a subway, ask what's in their bag. Simple question. Ask if you can see**

Hmm. I think you'd better have a reason for suspecting them enough to ask.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 22 July 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

Thanks to Rachel, it is kind of you to think of Liz's friends. I hope that you will be ok.

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 22 July 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

What I meant by posting was to reiterate what Forest Pine said, quoting the doctor. I truly believe that she would not have known or felt anything, not even the bang. I am certain of it.

― Rachel Mc (Badgerkitten), Friday, 22 July 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

Thank you, Rachel.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

I've just returned from london, and back at work already.. not much time to recover unfortunately. Nor to recap on ILE activity while away, so forgive me if this has been posted elsewhere, but... one of the first things I did when I got back online was look up the poem Liz's sister read on Friday, as it made me smile and think of Liz and I thought others might like to read it properly. I found it here.
It was a really emotionally charged weekend, as you can imagine, and my moods varied wildly. I was often sad, especially during the service, as I was reminded about just how wonderful Liz was and how much we will be missing, and how much I missed by not making the effort to visit London more... this was of course followed by regret and guilt...
Several times I felt quite happy, however - happy to be among so many old friends, to be able to finally HUG ROB (I think I may have actually smothered him.. sorry love!), to meet so many other lovely people - which in turn, brought on the return of guilt and regret. Ack!
Rob was AMAZING, as were Liz's family... incredible, really. And Pam. I need to get to know Pam. Contact info anyone?
What has lingered most, however, was what came about in the scattered quiet moments of thought and reflection - the recognition that it's vital to really LIVE LIFE and LOVE OTHERS. Liz did both, so magnificently. She was so inquisitive, vibrant and inclusive. Of everyone. It was a great tribute to her that so many gathered together. I hope it continues.
I feel like I made some new friends this weekend. A parting gift from Liz perhaps? A lasting legacy? I'd like to think so. She was good like that.

― dahlin (dahlin), Sunday, 24 July 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

this has been very sad and beautiful to read. i didn't know liz, just read some of her posts here, but she was clearly a wonderful person. i'm so, so sorry for the loss all of you who knew and loved her are suffering now.

― Maria (Maria), Sunday, 24 July 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

Some flowers were put into sea by the far shore of Estonia for Liz yesterday. It was pouring rain, sky was so so sad....
Rob and Liz's friends my condolences...so afully sorry. There are no right words...

― ulla, Sunday, 24 July 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

Today without a worry or care,
I switched on my pc to see who was there.
I go to a website I’ve been to before,
To find a message that left me in awe.
The message was about a girl I didn’t know,
It said she’d been caught up in the London bombs two weeks ago.
I sat back in my chair, and with my son,
We looked at the messages and read each one.
We read about a man who’d lost his love,
And a family who’s life had been torn apart.
I felt a lump in my throat and a tear in my eye,
And as I read through I started to cry.
What have these people done?
Taking life from someone before it’s barely begun.
My heartfelt prayers, love and sympathy,
Go out to everyone who’s been touched by this terrible act..
Something that these evil people lack!
I hope everyone involved will find some peace
And their anger and pain will someday cease.

― allexx, Sunday, 24 July 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/pumpkin/2005_07_01_pumpkinpublog_archive.html#112083564049959794

A compilation of Liz' writings about food, from Pumpkin Publog.

― Tom (Groke), Sunday, 24 July 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

Marvellous, sir. I look forward to reading it in full when I am home.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 24 July 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

The tribute to Liz, written by Pam H (who many who know from her Sinister days will also know) is in the Guardian today.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

Link.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

I've been out of the Sinister and ILX loop for a good few years, hence my just having heard the sad news, but I remember Liz very fondly. Despite my reclusive nature I always felt comfortable and at ease with her. But then she made everyone feel that way, which was as special a gift as you could hope for. She was smart as anything, and could engage you in sparkling witty conversation, but she also had a love of the ridiculous, and was just as happy lying on the floor dancing like in Gregory's Girl. I fondly recall Liz, Pam H and myself doing just that Upstairs at the Garage some years ago now. My thoughts and wishes are with you all. Kevan x

― Kevan Cooke, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Slug!

― Laurel, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

Kevan! We were talking about you last week, wondering what had happened to people we hadn't seen for years, reminiscing about picnics and gatherings past. We had nostalgic indie booze in the Spread Eagle and wondered where the time had gone and remembered why you should always stay in touch with your friends.

I liked what dahlin said about the weekend in London. Because I agree with every word.

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if I know Pam H, but that is a good little tribute.

Kevan Cooke once sent me something in the post, but I have forgotten what it was.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 06:53 (twenty years ago)

pam h = glam pam. i did her a tape in a sinister tape swap once and she reminded me of the fact when we met 5 years later (at liz's birthday in the GHS).

/me waves at kevan

― koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 07:37 (twenty years ago)

That rings a bell.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 07:49 (twenty years ago)

I just ran across Liz's profile on OKCupid, should someone ask them to remove it? It probably doesn't matter in any way, but seeing it felt sad and spooky.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

i just bought TWENTY CHICKENS in memory of liz. i know she liked em battered and fried, and hopefully she'd also appreciate them live and kicking and providing eggs for impoverished families in africa.

― dahlin (dahlin), Monday, 8 August 2005 10:26 (twenty years ago)

I think we might give blood, this week.

― Ally C (Ally C), Monday, 8 August 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

I did it a couple of weeks ago. It felt good.

Well
It didn't feel bad.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 8 August 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

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