Do you like satire?

OTM. Film is not a medium that deals well with abstracts by its very nature. It is or it isn't. It's in frame or it's not.

Also, increasingly "detached" MEANS "ironic," to an alarming and wholly wrong degree.

Also, what film doesn't have a message?

Also, I disagree with you. Satire is an age-old literary device, tried and true, and very effective when done well. Done poorly it's heavy handed, but I can think of a thousand satirical films that are spot-on. Altman's M*A*S*H comes to mind, but maybe only because I watched it recently.

Satire is supposed to hold up human vices for correction. I'm not sure any of those three films are good examples of that. Perhaps CO, but I think its (intended) message is almost the opposite: namely that human fallibility is a necessary, if not a good, thing. I'm trying to think of great cinema satirists and from the top of my head only Billy Wilder springs to mind: Sunset Boulevard and Stalag 17 really are the movie equivalent of Swift, and are great movies.

george romero was up to some serious swiftian misanthropy in dawn of the dead, as well.

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what are good examples of contemporary satire, that have bite, elegance and are genuinely funny

will start with a few potential examples

- the solo output of Conner O'Malley
- South Park sometimes when they're not being horrid
- Succession

proceed

Satire has been shit since 1745

Why I didn't think of Bunuel I've no idea. Yeah, of course. And Romero agreed, the whole trilogy, not just Dawn. So that seems to win the case for satire in cinema being An Ace Thing.
― Scream! Scrovula, Scream! (noodle vague), Saturday, 16 July 2005 09:57 (sixteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

you've changed, mayne

I read that back and tutted at myself and thought what a fucking rube

xxpost Starship Troopers

stretching the definition of contemporary a bit but yeah good

Starship Troopers is about as contemporary as phones that only text and call, I mean right now

I read that back and tutted at myself and thought what a fucking rube

― Khafre's clown (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 December 2021 15:18 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh no, not the noodle vague that actually liked things and was fun

satire seems pretty useless in 2021/22, been a few years since satire could even touch how weird reality is

Sorry to Bother You is the only one that I can think of, I guess that's satire

I think something like All Gas No Brakes scratches that same itch for people but but obviously it works because he just lets them expose who they are, the subjects themselves are beyond satire

I read that back and tutted at myself and thought what a fucking rube

― Khafre's clown (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 December 2021 15:18 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh no, not the noodle vague that actually liked things and was fun

^classic projection

Yeah AGNB isn't satire, it's pure gonzo journalism

I was just wrong, surrealism isn't satire, and Satyierre as genre is reductive and yuk

I think it is entirely fair to classify much of Bunuel's work as satirical! Even though of course he was more than that as well

I guess something like The Hunger Games works in a satirical manner for younger people atm

I guess it depends what anyone means by "right now," but something like "Veep?"

I've seen some people conflate "satire" and "black comedy," which may open up some new avenues for exploration.

Veep is glorious but also not quite of this age. Succession is obv its continuation

Veep isn't but South Park is?

imago at 9:27 29 Dec 21

Yeah AGNB isn't satire, it's pure gonzo journalism

yes thank you I know that

^classic projection

― imago, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 15:25 (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

You’re two years younger than me, this behaviour stopped being endearing a long time ago (if it ever was).

Because I believe reality shows have destroyed society I really love Tim & Eric's Go Pro Show:

Episode 1 was taken down from youtube:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2iohqj

The rest is still on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8-lnOgoWmg

Is Squid Game satire? I've not seen it.

South Park is still being made right now! They may be assholes but they're usually funny and they definitely move with the times (although yeah they could stand to drop the transphobic bit, yeah we're all triggered or whatever)

ty Evan, yes On Cinema/other Heidecker enterprise is def primo satire as well as soap opera and such

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actually this is the best satire going maybe

you haven't seen sorry to bother you I'm assuming

i have not! but based on your recommendation i shall

even if it may not to be great satire, at least it's a rather funny and enjoyable movie.

at least that's how I remembered it, might have a re-watch tonight

On Cinema is a more apt satire than it probably intends to be, things from the show just keep happening in real life. it's incredible that Tim's character is a perfect amalgam of like a half-dozen popular conservative figures at once yet the show started before anyone really knew who those people were. for example the Dan Crenshaw campaign video that was almost indistinguishable from an episode of Decker, he just understands the whole chud mindset better than pretty much anyone other satirist out there

ty Evan, yes On Cinema/other Heidecker enterprise is def primo satire as well as soap opera and such

― imago, Wednesday, December 29, 2021 10:40 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

You're welcome. Yes agreed, fan of most Heidecker stuff but this little 6 episode bit in particular is a highlight imo. Hope you enjoy it if you give it a shot.

for example the Dan Crenshaw campaign video that was almost indistinguishable from an episode of Decker, he just understands the whole chud mindset better than pretty much anyone other satirist out there

― frogbs, Wednesday, December 29, 2021 10:51 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm just never going to not be astonished at the fact that Decker came out BEFORE the Crenshaw thing. It is mind-boggling to reflect on. Also that Tim did a very tonally accurate bit about Trump running for office in his anti-standup routine before Trump ever publicly announced he would run. Eerie insight. Anyway...

satire seems pretty useless in 2021/22, been a few years since satire could even touch how weird reality is

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

Pretty sure 'the death of satire' has been a thing ever since satire itself became a thing.

another good example is the Electric Sun thing which was actually filmed before Fyre Festival happened

the issue with satire is that it's been co-operative with the status quo for i don't even know how long now? since its inception? like, as a mode it's continually shown itself to flourish in an unequal, meritocratic society, and it does necessary work for capital. it doesn't poke the holes it thinks it does, or more accurately, the holes it pokes are necessary, like fertilizing a lawn.

for me, when it blends with something else, like surrealism in bunuel, it's more interesting.

will never watch succession tbh, i just don't care about a story of horrible people in charge unless it's about how to take them down.

there is anger and hilarity with Bunuel, also a sense of genuine hatred which makes him good not bad. If that makes any sense!

Oh agree, but he loved as fiercely as he hated! Gentle reminder that you bozos couldn't even get Discreet Charm into a top 100 of movies tho ffs

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reminds me that night of the hunter is good satire, old of course

I was just wrong, surrealism isn't satire, and Satyierre as genre is reductive and yuk

I was watching "Discreet Charm" recently and, though there is satire and comedy in there, it's full of ghosts, murder and death.

It is a perfect film, all of life is in it

NOTH has a complicated relationship with a) Christianity and b) America, yeah, evincing both LOVE and HATE, would agree it is satirical yes

Many if not most great films have a strain of satire to them, is a possible contention - take Toni Erdmann as a recentish example, which I'd say might be the best film of the current time

you haven't seen sorry to bother you I'm assuming

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, December 29, 2021 7:46 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i have not! but based on your recommendation i shall

― imago, Wednesday, December 29, 2021 7:46 AM (three hours ago)

Just FYI, this point came up in another thread, but "Both Sides Market" was not invented as a satirical "easter egg" for the movie, it is the actual name of the convenience store, and it is called that because it has two entrances, one on Broadway and one on Telegraph Ave. which intersect at the end of the block where said store is located.

TV satire is palpably cringey these days. Most workable satire come sin the form of memes or Twitter comics like Michael Spicer, Rosie Holt etc

...not that they're not 100% cringey sometimes, but the proliferation of online meme humour means satire has to work a lot faster and adapt to disposability rather a lot faster. I always point to the Chris Morris shows and how the humour hasn't dates too badly because he was satirising age-old structures (mostly the media) rather than specific people or events

Morris stuff has aged well due to his innate grasp of the surreal, the uncanny and the hilarious

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