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@text:The founder of the 8NP J0hn Tynd4ll was found dead this morning at his home in Westbourne Villas, Hove, in Sussex, police said.
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191517 JUL 05

i'm sure i speak for us all when i say: rot in hell, you fucking cunt.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

HOORAY! ENJOY HELL, YOU CUNT

― tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

how would you react if someone you never liked died?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

You're next Maggie!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

i spit on his grave. i look forward to saying the same about nick griffin some day, hopefully soon.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

oh no they're going to claim the immigrants did it/drove him to death

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

[good modding of title/name: apologies for not thinking about that myself]

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

Good riddance to a complete cunt.

― Venga (Venga), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

Blimey he lived just down the road from me.

― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

Vile as this creature was, I prefer silent indifference than a demeaning outburst of hatred.
Wishing Thatcher dead, no matter how much you despised her politics, strikes me as pretty ugly and pointless.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

given that tyndall's entire existence was a demeaning outburst of hatred, i feel no shame in reiterating the fact that i think the world is a far better place without him. people like that forfeit their right to humanity.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

It strikes me as a consummation devoutly to be wished (xpost)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

Um, who was this person? What was "8NP"? A wikipedia search gives me nothing.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

The 8ritish National Party

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

i have wondered a few times how i'll feel when thatcher dies and while i don't wish her dead, i won't exactly rue the day. i just dread the reagan style outpouring of grief that will come in the wake of her death. as for the 8np, i don't actively wish anyone them dead but at the same time, it's definitely a case of thank god there's one less of them.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

i just dread the reagan style outpouring of grief that will come in the wake of her death

I don't see this happening at all

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

The gonn-eyed mad fucker lived 10 minutes away. Blimey.

I'd rather people reserved their anti-fasci5t energy for beating much wilier foxes like Griffin. Though the average common-or-garden slug has more strategic cunning than Tyndall, who in the tradition of most british fascists, let his bilious hatred override any sense of mass appeal, and would rather goose step in front of 20 boneheads than actually try and mobilise.

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

I don't see this happening at all

really? i think you'll be surprised. several times in the last year i have got into raging arguments with people who didn't live through (or were too young to be aware during) the thatcher era who seem to think she was 'the greatest leader this country ever had'. i think her legacy has been reposistioned in a lot of people's minds and then there is also the great 'nostalgia for the good old days' factor that may come into play. i do hope you are right though.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

Dave B otm, Tyndall could easily be dismissed as a cranky, bigoted nutter. Griffin's 'reasonable' persona is much more difficult to ignore.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

people who didn't live through (or were too young to be aware during) the thatcher era

eg makosi on big brother wanging on about her the other night; the spice girls (and that's a good few years back now) ... people have forgotten what a fucking vile human being she was. there will be massive grief and a huge rewriting of history. luckily, i think there are still enough independent, high-profile voices to keep the truth out there.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

that reminds me. whilst wandering around one of the tech buildings i work in(i live in the Pacific Northwest), I wandered by a space and saw that one guy had a bunch of buttons & pins attached to his cube wall.

Most of them were 10-20 years old. one just had a flag & "BRITISH POWER" stamped on, another had Charles & Di(the button looked that old), and another has was a larger 2" x 3" one, with a flag & the words "FALKLAND ISLANDS : OUR EMPIRE STRIKES BACK : APRIL 29, 1982" on it.

they really had those? Christ, it's like your own version of the "SUPPORT DESERT STORM" pins that came out 9 years later.

Also, the guy had a Perot '92 button, so I figure this wasn't ironic.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

What good old days of thatcher, exactly?

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

eg makosi on big brother wanging on about her the other night

She's from Zimbabwe too!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

thatcher's from zimbabwe?

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

xpost - The ones before everything went wrong, when they made proper music.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

Mugabe, Thatcher and Ian Smith in one country is too much to contemplate

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

And makosi too?

(I'll stop now)

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

The only "good old day" of thatcher I remember is the day she RESIGNED and HOLY FUCK THAT WAS A GOOD DAY INDEED.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

they certainly weren't good old days - they were hell on earth - but i think a lot of people reimagine in their heads that they were.

x post

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

My favourite bit was when she cried (xpost)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Tories will rally around one of their own, Blair will pay his respect because he likes playing the game (= if I do this, then no matter what, someone will say nice things about me when I die (see also: Clinton and Nixon)). Prime Minister Prescott might well give us a show, though.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

Blair will pay his respect because he likes playing the game

Blair will pay his respect because he likes Margaret Thatcher

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

I must say how much I have been enjoying reading the British political threads lately, even if they are all RIPs. The Ted Heath one was kind of a tour de force, Dadaismus and Marcello trading barbs.

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Beats trading punches! Don't try it!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

I have a pact with a friend to go and piss on Thatcher's grave when she dies. Do you think they'll have turnstiles or use a numbered ticket system?

― Scream! Scrovula, Scream! (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

I must have told you before of my plan to dance on Thatcher's grave? I will be taking tap lessons beforehand... trouble is there may well be a queue

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

T-shirt for the occasion:

"If you tories loved Thatcher so much, why did you eat her?"

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, how do you think they'll protect the grave? Because there will be a queue.

― Scream! Scrovula, Scream! (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

This thread is now "Come, let us anticipate Thatcher's death (natural causes, mr MI5 person)..."

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

Protect? With guns.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

For a second, I misread that as 'lap dancing lessons'.

xxxxx-post

― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

We've forgotten all about John Tynd4ll already and he's not even in his grave yet

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Lap dancing would be good too, yes

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

i'll give her 3 years.

john who?

xpost

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

From the Beeb...

"A veteran of the right-wing fringe of British politics, Mr Tynd4ll chaired the N4tion4l Fr0nt, leaving in 1980.

He was due to appear in court this Thursday in Leeds alongside 8NP leader N1ck Gr1ffin on race hate charges.

Sussex Police said there were no suspicious circumstances surrounding Mr Tynd4ll's death which was reported at 0815 BST on Tuesday."

― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

http://us.ent1.yimg.com/images.launch.yahoo.com/000/005/461/5461958.jpg

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

I hate all of you for the mental image of a long line of 30- to 40-something British men queuing to give Margaret Thatcher's grave a lapdance.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

(Although sometimes "hate" is dangerously close to "love".)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

(hey foax can we remember to haxor-proof his name plz: it is quite unusual and hence googlable)

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

"hurr... You feeling sexy, dead thatch?...."

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

Whereas searching for Gr!ffin will find the Family Guy vs Simpsons thread, which none can resist viewing, but which consumes the souls of all who enter.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

"There seems to be some confusion here John... I understand she has given orders that Mark E Smith is to be buried beside her. Here he comes now... Doesn't look too happy."

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

I love the completely paranoid google guard writing everyone is doing on this thread. I fear not the FACISTS. I, the Dirty Vicar, welcome their e-mails.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

Facists?

― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

Cyst on my face, and tell me that you love me.

― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

So if say J0hn Tynd4ll was an ugly bastard I'm in danger of making a facist remark?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

You could be done for inspiring facial hatred.

― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

But I'm merely exercising facial discrimination!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Don't practise fractal discrimination. Love both Julian & Mandelbrot sets equally.

― Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

no matter what i think of the dude, i think its kind of creepy the idea of race hate

― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Facists?

it's how many leftists spell "Fascists".

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

i meant perscuting criminally for race hat

― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Tynd4le was a vainglorious goon, his foaming-at-the-mouth rant on the Dover cliffs during the '97 (?) 8NP PPB was pure comedy. Griff!n is a far more dangerous prospect.

― stevo (stevo), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

i meant perscuting criminally for race hat

http://www.publispain.com/posters/fear_of_a_black_hat.jpg

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

Why, Anthony?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

thot crimes and all that

― anthony, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

i would remind posters that there are numerous people in iraq, afghanistan and elsewhere who are currently saying not dissimilar things about the victims of the london bomb blasts.

it would therefore be wise to pause before jumping on the graves of people you don't happen to like, or view as oppressive.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 05:55 (twenty years ago)

Richard Whiteley RIP

― Marco Salvetti - world moustache champion (moustache), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 05:58 (twenty years ago)

yes, fair call, it's a fair cop guv, i'm not inclined to do any more of that, i speak as a reformed delinquent. i've done enough death-wishing in my time.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 06:00 (twenty years ago)

Elvis' best lyrics?:

I saw a newspaper picture from the political campaign
A woman was kissing a child, who was obviously in pain
She spills with compassion, as that young child’s
Face in her hands she grips
Can you imagine all that greed and avarice
Coming down on that child’s lips

Well I hope I don’t die too soon
I pray the lord my soul to save
Oh I’ll be a good boy, I’m trying so hard to behave
Because there’s one thing I know, I’d like to live
Long enough to savour
That’s when they finally put you in the ground
I’ll stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down

When england was the whore of the world
Margeret was her madam
And the future looked as bright and as clear as
The black tarmacadam
Well I hope that she sleeps well at night, isn’t
Haunted by every tiny detail
’cos when she held that lovely face in her hands
All she thought of was betrayal

And now the cynical ones say that it all ends the same in the long run
Try telling that to the desperate father who just squeezed the life from his only son
And how it’s only voices in your head and dreams you never dreamt
Try telling him the subtle difference between justice and contempt
Try telling me she isn’t angry with this pitiful discontent
When they flaunt it in your face as you line up for punishment
And then expect you to say thank you straighten up, look proud and pleased
Because you’ve only got the symptoms, you haven’t got the whole disease
Just like a schoolboy, whose head’s like a tin-can
Filled up with dreams then poured down the drain
Try telling that to the boys on both sides, being blown to bits or beaten and maimed
Who takes all the glory and none of the shame

Well I hope you live long now, I pray the lord your soul to keep
I think I’ll be going before we fold our arms and start to weep
I never thought for a moment that human life could be so cheap
’cos when they finally put you in the ground
They’ll stand there laughing and tramp the dirt down

― Huey (Huey), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

.. and his mother cries...

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 09:35 (twenty years ago)

this'll be the same elvis costello who fucked off to live in tax-free dublin rather than, you know, pay for hospitals and schools and stuff, then.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

Is there anyone you can't find a fault with?

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)

is that a challenge? i think marcello should accept it ... :)

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)

(xpost)

Yes.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 10:44 (twenty years ago)

I just think that people who write so-called socialist lyrics should, you know, live like socialists, i.e. pay their taxes for a start. Practise what they preach and all that.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 10:45 (twenty years ago)

"The Irish Revenue Commissioners have published a list of 1,512 people who did not pay any tax on their artistic earnings between 1998 and 2002. It includes Irvine Welsh, John Simpson, the singer Sinead O’Connor, the singer Elvis Costello and his former wife Cait O’Riordan of the Pogues. Pauline McLynn, the actress who played Mrs Doyle in the Father Ted comedy series, claimed the exemption on four works of fiction. "

― Huey (Huey), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:01 (twenty years ago)

From here:

He denies that the attraction of his destination, Dublin, was its status, relative to London, as a tax haven. It’s more the case that privatisation drove him out. "Water was the most bizarre. It comes out of the sky. It’s inconceivable that one minute you own it, the next you don’t."

― Huey (Huey), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:02 (twenty years ago)

Elvis' worst lyrics?:

"Water was the most bizarre. It comes out of the sky. It’s inconceivable that one minute you own it, the next you don’t."

― Huey (Huey), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:04 (twenty years ago)

It doesn't even rhyme. Was that one of the songs he gave to Wendy James, then?

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:06 (twenty years ago)

"I'm the lucky goon
Who composed this tune
from birds arranged on the high wire"

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

Happens I was listening yesterday evening to "The Sewers Of The Strand" by Spike Milligan. Now there's proper songwriting from an actual Goon!

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:12 (twenty years ago)

That, or he loaned it to Bono.

(xxpost)

― Huey (Huey), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:12 (twenty years ago)

Q1: How far off, in kilometres, has this thread become?

― Huey (Huey), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

Leonard Cohen might have something to say about that borrowing there.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

If You're Too Turned On

If you're too turned on, work out complicated foreign phrases
What exactly is the German for "This Sauerkraut is over-priced?"
If you're too turned on, try reconstructing really boring bus-routes
You can occupy your mind with Double Deckers bound for Spinney Hill Rise
And if you suddenly turned psychic in my boudoir you would find
I've got the lyrics of La Bamba on my mind
I've got the films of Doug McClure on my mind
If you're too turned on, you want to use pythagoras's thereom
Or minus b plus or minus the square root of b squared minues 4ac over 2a
If you're too turned on, use leaders of the British Labour Party
You can picture Harold Wilson but can you see Mr Gaitskell's face?
And if you suddenly turned psychic in my boudoir you would find
I've got the 17 times table on my mind
I've got the history of Democracy in mind
Oh Enoch Powell, Enoch Powell
Did you think you'd be remembered as the face that let a thousand nights go on five minutes more?
Oh Enoch Powell, Enoch Powell
You are the loch-keeper of love, there is a river that you're holding back but it's not made of blood
And if you suddenly turned psychic in my boudoir you would find
I've got the things that really matter in my mind

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:19 (twenty years ago)

But is it melodic?

― Comstock Carabineri, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:20 (twenty years ago)

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