That can only mean one thing.
The court date I've been dreading ever since the FBI raided me almost two years ago is finally going to happen, and I will soon be a felon.
So, I want to know, what's life like for felons? Surely there has to be at least one on ILE. Feel free to log out to discuss it, but please stick to honest answers.
What type of response do you get when applying for jobs? What about housing? Can you tell me anything?
This is the first time I've felt suicidal in a long time.
― I am too depressed, Monday, 7 November 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)
I'm a small guy. I'm six feet tall, and only 145 pounds. I'm not exactly hyper-masculine or anything either. I mean, here I am posting on a music message board on the internet. Will I survive?
― Me, Monday, 7 November 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)
― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Monday, 7 November 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)
cheer up, life afterwards as a felon will be more complicated, but there's a lot of felons in a variety of stations in life.
since you're logged out, mind if we ask what you did?
― firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 7 November 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)
― Jdubz (ex machina), Monday, 7 November 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 November 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)
How much work can you do when you don't even know what you're being charged with yet?
Jdubz, I don't post here very much. I doubt anybody will miss me.
― a, Monday, 7 November 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)
a colleague with some, er, interesting connections/family members once told me that, if/when you arrive in jail, the first thing to do - no matter what size you are - is find the hardest-looking bloke you can and chin him. you'll instantly be sent to solitary, but - er, apparently - you'll gain a reputation as a super-hard crazy nutjob and be left alone after that. this sounds, to me, like utter bollocks. but hey.
i hope it doesn't come to this: i sincerely do.
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)
― firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)
Others, who also claim to have friends who have been in prison, have said that it's really just a vacation. They separate the prisoners so that blue collar crimes aren't stuck with murderers, rapists, etc, so you are left all alone. Is this true?
I don't know what to think.
― a, Monday, 7 November 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)
Did you really think I didn't consider that?
― a, Monday, 7 November 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)
This morning the secretary calls me and says that the lawyer needs to set up an appointment with me.
Did I mention that I live two hours away from my lawyer? I hired one of the best in the region. He knows how far away I live and how difficult it is for me to meet him.
What else would it be at this point?
And as far as "freaking out" over details, there's this thing called federal sentencing guidelines. There's also these things that Justice Department puts out ocasionally which includes a bunch of statistics, such as what percentage of people charged with a particular crime have prison time. Using those two handy pieces of information there, I know there is somewhat of a chance that I will, after being prosecuted, have some prison time.
But sorry for wasting your fucking time since I actually have no idea what's going on!
― Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)
― D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)
― Affectian (Affectian), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)
― Jdubz (ex machina), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)
christ, yes, i think so too. i merely pass it on, just so the original poster can make an informed decision based on all the options available to him. or something.
personally, i'd have thought that if you chinned some massive bloke and went to solitary, you'd walk straight back out and into the mother of all pummellings.
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)
― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)
― log cabin, Monday, 7 November 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)
― Nathalie, the Queen of Frock 'n' Fall (stevie nixed), Monday, 7 November 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 7 November 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)
No it is not.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 November 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)
And no, I am not Calum. I have been accused of being a troll on here before, so believe that if you will, but I only post under this name or the occasional logged-out.
No, not drugs.
And lastly, I got through to my lawyer. I am going to court soon. So, this post wasn't simply me "freaking out" because I "don't know what's going on."
God fuck this.
― Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)
― log cabin, Monday, 7 November 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)
Ned, some of us have JOBS!!!!
― Jdubz (ex machina), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)
Yes.
― Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)
I certainly hope my luck will be that good! If I'm in any ads, I'll make sure to share them with everyone. Maybe we can set it up on BitTorrent or OiNK or something.
― Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)
― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 7 November 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)
Earl Krugel, 62, was killed in an assault Friday evening at the Federal Correctional Institution, said FBI agent Richard Murray.
Murray wouldn't release further details but said federal authorities had opened a homicide investigation.
Krugel's wife, Lola, said FBI investigators told her an inmate had struck her husband on the head from behind with a cement block.
"Earl never saw it happening," she said. "He was exercising."
He had been at the medium-security prison for three days, according to his sister Linda Krugel, also of Los Angeles.
― Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)
Felons I have known: #1 Diverted, no effect on his life whatsoever. #2, Not diverted, felon but County Jail only + probation, still can't get a normal job.#3 Did prison, ratted people out to shorten his sentence, got out and returned happily to his life of debauchery.
I recommend #1
― Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 05:53 (twenty years ago)
― Sasha (sgh), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 06:00 (twenty years ago)
― Mingus Dew (Mingus Dew), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 06:38 (twenty years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 06:44 (twenty years ago)
Copyright infringement is a felony offense, but it also has a misdemeanor version. The powers-that-be are refusing to allow me that one though. So, soon I will learn what life as a felon is like.
It's looking like prison is pretty unlikely, but I will get some sort of house arrest or a half-way home.
― Mickey (modestmickey), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)
but here's hoping prison is off the cards.
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)
I always assumed the authorities only go after the worst abusers, not just pick some guy at random and bust him. Seems harsh.
― Super Cub (Debito), Thursday, 10 November 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)
One thing I will thank the government for is being sensitive to time constraints.
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:21 (twenty years ago)
― discus (dr g), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:58 (twenty years ago)
― knowyourrights, Thursday, 10 November 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)
There's a point deduction for accepting the plea as well. If I weren't to accept the plea, that would take me out of zone B. That would mean mandatory prison time under the sentencing guidelines. I really don't want to give a judge any more reason to consider prison for me.
Thank you for the concern, but this is a hopeless battle, it really is. And I don't want to fight it. I knew I commited a crime, and my only choice is to accept responsibility for that. Everybody else who infringes copyright, including ILXers, knows they are committing a crime too, but they don't think it will ever matter.
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 10 November 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)
Uh... He's signing t-shirts at horror conventions. I don't think he got off so lightly. ;-)
Mickey, I'm very sorry to hear of this. :-(
― Nathalie, the Queen of Frock 'n' Fall (stevie nixed), Thursday, 10 November 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)
― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)
I realize it's a bit late for this now, but would it have been possible, right after you realized your mistake, to ask the moderators to delete the post with your username on it? Maybe a couple people would have seen it, but it wouldn't have been part of the thread.
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)
― Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)
Jdubz, I haven't contacted the EFF per se, but I did speak with Cory Doctorow (of boingboing.net and the EFF) relating to copyright infringement issues before and, er, without trying to be too disrespectful, I don't think he was very informed. I was very disappointed with my interactions with him.
I spent $10,000 to hire one of the more high-profile, competent lawyers in the region here. I don't think the EFF could do anything for me that he hasn't already.
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)
― Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)
RIAA this, RIAA that, blah, blah, blah.
What does the EFF have to say about FBI investigations and criminal charges? I don't see anything on their page. Even if they were interested in helping me somehow, there's nothing they could do a "regular" competent criminal lawyer can't. Like I said, this is a battle that isn't worth fighting. I commited a crime knowingly and my only option is to accept the consequences.
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)
Here's some information on federal prosecutions involving copyright infringement:
http://www.cybercrime.gov/ipcases.htm
The only 2 cases I see that went to jury guilty verdict involled (1) a guy who sold hardware to pirate Direct TV, and (2) a guy who physically videotaped a movie and resold it. Both were in California and both of these are very different from file-sharing in that the evidence of intent is much more obvious and thus easier to prove. The state (technically the district) matters because a federal court in a different state might follow a different interpretation of the law than federal courts in other staes.
If you do not see specific precedent for file-sharing criminal jury verdicts (as opposed ot these more obviously hardware cases), you should really think about making the prosecution prove their case. (Even if you do plan to plead, you should probably not make public statements like the last sentence in your last post -- it doesn't help and it might hurt.)
Anyway, good luck to you.
― knowyourrights, Friday, 11 November 2005 03:08 (twenty years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:15 (twenty years ago)
― Super Cub (Debito), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:21 (twenty years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:22 (twenty years ago)
― Super Cub (Debito), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)
Thanks for being one of the few people who is sympathetic to that rather than calling me a liar.
― Mickey (modestmickey), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)
It's my senior year of college, and I want to go into a law school. I wonder how this matter will affect that. And assuming I do get in law school, and graduate, I wonder how this will affect my trying to practice law.
― Mickey (modestmickey), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:31 (twenty years ago)
Does anyone know where one could find information on how many of these types of cases there are? The site linked above is good, but says it just represents a sample of the total number of cases.
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:36 (twenty years ago)
There's a decent amount of law professor-supplied webpages online: law journal articles, personal webpages, etc. Almost all the information is gathered exclusively from the Justice Department press releases (which are organized best on cybercrime.gov).
Same goes for the newspaper reporting of these prosecutions. They are pathetically done, rarely involving any investigation whatsoever and being solely re-worded DOJ press releases. From reading the articles wrote about myself, I can say with authority that you cannot trust newspapers to accurately cover this at the moment.
― Mickey (modestmickey), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:44 (twenty years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:56 (twenty years ago)
― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 12 December 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)
what?
― Maria :D, Sunday, 20 May 2007 20:17 (eighteen years ago)
banned, not actually dead.
― John Justen, Sunday, 20 May 2007 20:23 (eighteen years ago)
This RIP meme is really fucking lame, btw.
― ailsa, Sunday, 20 May 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)
Hadn't he been banned for weeks?
― milo z, Sunday, 20 May 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)
yes.
― John Justen, Sunday, 20 May 2007 20:25 (eighteen years ago)
what did he get banned for?
― chaki, Monday, 21 May 2007 00:01 (eighteen years ago)
he called you a spic
― lfam, Monday, 21 May 2007 00:13 (eighteen years ago)
sick shit on the vt shootings thread.
xpost ha
― strgn, Monday, 21 May 2007 00:15 (eighteen years ago)
that is no ha
― chaki, Monday, 21 May 2007 00:22 (eighteen years ago)
oops i was confusing pasty closet racists
― lfam, Monday, 21 May 2007 00:40 (eighteen years ago)
http://i7.tinypic.com/2111hg4.jpg
― gershy, Monday, 21 May 2007 00:57 (eighteen years ago)
now i will never forget
― lfam, Monday, 21 May 2007 01:00 (eighteen years ago)
iirc he made an offer to piss on the schef's face, at which point tombot offered to knock his teeth down his throat. yeah, it wuz classy stuff. on the vt shootings thread no less.
― Edward III, Monday, 21 May 2007 01:16 (eighteen years ago)
i've heard worse
― akm, Monday, 21 May 2007 02:54 (eighteen years ago)
I may be off base, but the combination of being part of a large FBI sting and the fact that he may be sent to a "halfway home" instead of prison suggests that the files he was sharing was illegal porn.
In which case lunging at the biggest guy in the block wouldn't be a smart thing to do on day one.
― Sidestreet, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:05 (eighteen years ago)
audio porn?
― Tape Store, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:07 (eighteen years ago)
they don't send people who share "illegal porn" (which would have to be child porn) to halfway homes, they put them in prison.
― akm, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:08 (eighteen years ago)
In some states they do. My brother's in one.
― Sidestreet, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:10 (eighteen years ago)
ysi?
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:10 (eighteen years ago)
In any case, my assumption was wrong.
― Sidestreet, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:11 (eighteen years ago)
do they put illegal porn sharers in RIAA propaganda videos?
― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:12 (eighteen years ago)
IF IT'S AUDIO PORN!
― Tape Store, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:13 (eighteen years ago)
I mean, someone's got to get paid, amirite?!?! Huh? Huh?!?!
p.s. I'll be collecting my modestmickey soundalike certificate via email, thankyouverymuch.
― Tape Store, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:18 (eighteen years ago)
I love how in that linked article one of the persons interviewed is McNulty. DID THEY USE A WIRE?
― nathalie, Monday, 21 May 2007 07:48 (eighteen years ago)
Where's the piss on comment btw?
― nathalie, Monday, 21 May 2007 07:49 (eighteen years ago)
http://dban.sourceforge.net
― Chromski A.K. Gattlington, Monday, 21 May 2007 08:12 (eighteen years ago)