Life as a felon

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Well, I just got a phone call from my attorney. It's been over a year since I last heard of him.

That can only mean one thing.

The court date I've been dreading ever since the FBI raided me almost two years ago is finally going to happen, and I will soon be a felon.

So, I want to know, what's life like for felons? Surely there has to be at least one on ILE. Feel free to log out to discuss it, but please stick to honest answers.

What type of response do you get when applying for jobs? What about housing? Can you tell me anything?

This is the first time I've felt suicidal in a long time.

I am too depressed, Monday, 7 November 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

Also, anybody who can tell me anything about prison would be appreciated too. Not county jails, just federal prisons, please.

I'm a small guy. I'm six feet tall, and only 145 pounds. I'm not exactly hyper-masculine or anything either. I mean, here I am posting on a music message board on the internet. Will I survive?

Me, Monday, 7 November 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

I gather federal prison is easier time than state prison, though I don't know firsthand. A relative of mine did time in Parchman and didn't seem to come out of it worse than he went in, though I haven't talked to him about it in detail.

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Monday, 7 November 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

wish i could help more. just anecdotal stuff to report though. i have a couple friends that have spent time in prison and i have often pestered them as long as they will allow with questions about what prison was like and how i would fare. basically it's possible to do your own thing. not so easy. just keep your nose in books, keep to yourself, probably don't really try to make any friends in there. in some prisons, you might be approached on the first day about whether you want to join up with your race, and if you don't, you have to be just as wary of the white dudes, if not more if they see you as a traitor to your race. keep in mind that a lot of these people are in there for fairly sad miscarriages of justice, but yes, many of them are violent offenders with mental problems. eat by yourself. the trick is to stay cut off without seeming like you're above it all or sad or weak. i don't know exactly how to describe how you'd do that, but hopefully that will become self-evident. you should probably start working out though. you'll survive.

cheer up, life afterwards as a felon will be more complicated, but there's a lot of felons in a variety of stations in life.

since you're logged out, mind if we ask what you did?

firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 7 November 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

I wonder who will disappear from ILX!?

Jdubz (ex machina), Monday, 7 November 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

You've been facing the uncertain prospect of doing hard time in a federal prison and you haven't bothered calling your lawyer for a year?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 November 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

Tracer Hand, the law moves very slowly. My lawyers didn't have much work to do until the federal government decided to actually press charges on me. I was raided almost two years ago, but they haven't pressed charges yet. I assume this phone call is a signal that it is happening now.

How much work can you do when you don't even know what you're being charged with yet?

Jdubz, I don't post here very much. I doubt anybody will miss me.

a, Monday, 7 November 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

a friend of a friend - nice guy, i was at his stag do - did time for fairly mighty fraud (IIRC he was effectively printing his own banknotes). he now works in an impressive creative job, and gets major plaudits for his work. he's a weedy sod too, to put it mildly, and he survived just fine. i don't know him that well, though, so i've never gone into detail with him about it.

a colleague with some, er, interesting connections/family members once told me that, if/when you arrive in jail, the first thing to do - no matter what size you are - is find the hardest-looking bloke you can and chin him. you'll instantly be sent to solitary, but - er, apparently - you'll gain a reputation as a super-hard crazy nutjob and be left alone after that. this sounds, to me, like utter bollocks. but hey.

i hope it doesn't come to this: i sincerely do.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

sounds like your colleague's been watching tango & cash or some absurd thing. maybe not, but hey...

firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

The advice I've heard about prison is almost always on two polar opposites. One guy went as far as to say that he thinks the best thing is to literally stab somebody as soon as possible, for the reasons grimly fiendish described. This is someone with friends who have been in prison.

Others, who also claim to have friends who have been in prison, have said that it's really just a vacation. They separate the prisoners so that blue collar crimes aren't stuck with murderers, rapists, etc, so you are left all alone. Is this true?

I don't know what to think.

a, Monday, 7 November 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

I think you should call your lawyer.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

I'm waiting for his secretary to return my call. He's out of the office this morning.

Did you really think I didn't consider that?

a, Monday, 7 November 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

No, but I think you're freaking out because you don't know the details. I mean, you have no idea what's going on at all, actually, do you?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

Last I heard from my lawyer, he'd contacted the federal agents and they told him this: yes, they were still planning on prosecuting me (at this point it had already been quite a wait) but I am low priority, so they are focusing on others first. I was raided in a larger sting operation that targetted numerous people, exactly how many I have no idea.

This morning the secretary calls me and says that the lawyer needs to set up an appointment with me.

Did I mention that I live two hours away from my lawyer? I hired one of the best in the region. He knows how far away I live and how difficult it is for me to meet him.

What else would it be at this point?

And as far as "freaking out" over details, there's this thing called federal sentencing guidelines. There's also these things that Justice Department puts out ocasionally which includes a bunch of statistics, such as what percentage of people charged with a particular crime have prison time. Using those two handy pieces of information there, I know there is somewhat of a chance that I will, after being prosecuted, have some prison time.

But sorry for wasting your fucking time since I actually have no idea what's going on!

Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

shit...

Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

Modestmickey? Isn't that Calum? In which case, break out the party poppers. If not, commiserations. And while I'd trust Grimly on a billion things the advice about chinning a gripper con sounds really really really bad. Just keep your head down and read loads and work out. Was it related to drugs or something more white collar?

Affectian (Affectian), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

drugs?

Jdubz (ex machina), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

the advice about chinning a gripper con sounds really really really bad

christ, yes, i think so too. i merely pass it on, just so the original poster can make an informed decision based on all the options available to him. or something.

personally, i'd have thought that if you chinned some massive bloke and went to solitary, you'd walk straight back out and into the mother of all pummellings.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

Getting your civil rights restored once you are out depends greatly on what state you are in and what your conviction is for. The ACLU has some info on their state chapter websites.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

3 out of 10 Texas inmates are sexually assaulted within their first couple of days. Make sure you go to the federal pen.

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

if i were you i wouldn't be talking on a board if my case hadn't even gone to court yet. what kind of shitty lawyer do you have?

log cabin, Monday, 7 November 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Dude, he's logged out. I doubt the prosecuters are lurking on ILX trying to gather evidence.

Nathalie, the Queen of Frock 'n' Fall (stevie nixed), Monday, 7 November 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

and he's not said anything about what he's done either. so, er ...

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 7 November 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

Modestmickey? Isn't that Calum?

No it is not.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 November 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Where did I say anything in specific about my case? I thought I only asked for advice about what is most likely going to happen soon. I certainly hope you aren't in law school right now, logged-out coward.

And no, I am not Calum. I have been accused of being a troll on here before, so believe that if you will, but I only post under this name or the occasional logged-out.

No, not drugs.

And lastly, I got through to my lawyer. I am going to court soon. So, this post wasn't simply me "freaking out" because I "don't know what's going on."

God fuck this.

Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

Are you being prosecuted?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)


well remember, even oj got off, so there's hope for you!

log cabin, Monday, 7 November 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Without trying to say that everyone should track everything on the boards, I am kinda surprised that more people do not know about Mickey's specific situation, which he has discussed in a variety of posts and on many different threads touching on the subject in question -- in a word, file-sharing -- as much as he has seen appropriate.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

Eventually. The law moves slow.

Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

File-sharing is a felony??

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

Ned, I think you are actually the only person on ILM who attaches any sort of identity to my posts here, rather than just guy-who-happens-to-like-Devendra-Banhart-in-this-thread.

Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

Heh. One tries.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

Was your scope particularly ... large?

Ned, some of us have JOBS!!!!

Jdubz (ex machina), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

File-sharing is a felony??

Yes.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge David Horowitz knocked down Mr. Kobles' crime from a felony to a misdemeanor and suspended a 180-day jail sentence. Kobles also will appear in an anti-piracy ad for the film industry to be shown in theaters, Deputy District Attorney Jeffrey McGrath said.

I certainly hope my luck will be that good! If I'm in any ads, I'll make sure to share them with everyone. Maybe we can set it up on BitTorrent or OiNK or something.

Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

I think plenty of people may remember Mickey from this thread.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

hmm, a close relative of mine has a side business of selling bootleg dvds. . .sometimes of movies that are still in the theater. Should he be worried?

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

Good luck to you - I do hope the Kobles decision sets a precedent for your case. My son was facing something similar, and got off with a handslap fortunately.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

i do remember your previous posts on the subject, mickey: sorry, i somehow missed the fact that you "outed" yourself upthread.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 7 November 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

LOS ANGELES Nov 6, 2005 - A Jewish Defense League activist imprisoned for his role in a plot to bomb a California mosque and the office of a Lebanese-American congressman was killed at a federal prison in Phoenix, an FBI spokesman said Saturday.

Earl Krugel, 62, was killed in an assault Friday evening at the Federal Correctional Institution, said FBI agent Richard Murray.

Murray wouldn't release further details but said federal authorities had opened a homicide investigation.

Krugel's wife, Lola, said FBI investigators told her an inmate had struck her husband on the head from behind with a cement block.

"Earl never saw it happening," she said. "He was exercising."

He had been at the medium-security prison for three days, according to his sister Linda Krugel, also of Los Angeles.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

Dude, get a good lawyer and get diverted, or dismissed, or plea bargained, or something. Get the best lawyer that you can't afford.

Felons I have known:
#1 Diverted, no effect on his life whatsoever.
#2, Not diverted, felon but County Jail only + probation, still can't get a normal job.
#3 Did prison, ratted people out to shorten his sentence, got out and returned happily to his life of debauchery.

I recommend #1

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 05:53 (twenty years ago)

http://www.saturday-night-live.com/images/weekendupdate/fallon.gif

Sasha (sgh), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 06:00 (twenty years ago)

Better to go to prison...

Sasha (sgh), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 06:00 (twenty years ago)

You gellin'?

Mingus Dew (Mingus Dew), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 06:38 (twenty years ago)

Diverted?

Mickey (modestmickey), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 06:44 (twenty years ago)

Well, I signed a plea agreement today.

Copyright infringement is a felony offense, but it also has a misdemeanor version. The powers-that-be are refusing to allow me that one though. So, soon I will learn what life as a felon is like.

It's looking like prison is pretty unlikely, but I will get some sort of house arrest or a half-way home.

Mickey (modestmickey), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

this strikes me as bizarre and heavy-handed. wouldn't some kind of fine be more appropriate?

but here's hoping prison is off the cards.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

It's a shame they are playing hard ball; I'm under the impression the feds are being overly tough on file-sharing to prove a point or make examples of people as a deterrent - out here they came after and made a huge deal of a woman selling bootleg DVDs at a local flea market. I hope prison moves from being pretty unlikely to absolutely not happening for you.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

I recognize that file sharing is a crime and immoral, but that guy in the Los Angeles Times article was so small time. There are probably 5 million people (at least) in the U.S. who have committed the same crime. Why him?

I always assumed the authorities only go after the worst abusers, not just pick some guy at random and bust him. Seems harsh.

Super Cub (Debito), Thursday, 10 November 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

Well, I signed the plea agreement but it's not official yet. I need to go meet the judge and submit it to him. I'm being prosecuted a state away, so I'm not sure exactly when my lawyer and I will make the trip up there. I understand that the judge will question me, but I have a feeling that he won't bring up music taste.

One thing I will thank the government for is being sensitive to time constraints.

Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:21 (twenty years ago)

You never know. Occasionally judges are actually interested in making sure that the plea agreement actually refers to a specific crime. Some can be a bit vague.

discus (dr g), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:58 (twenty years ago)

What state are you in? Has anyone ever been prosecuted successfully in a jury trial for this offense in your state? Since there is still time for you to refuse to waive your right to a trial by jury, seriously consider it. You have the right to put the government to its proof and there would be a lot of people willing to submit amicus briefs on your behalf arguing why copyright infringement shouldn't be prosecuted criminally, even if your lawyer won't try the case for you.

knowyourrights, Thursday, 10 November 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

knowyourrights, I appreciate the concern. I'm being tried in a federal court, not a state court. In the federal court system, I wasn't able to find a single case of a jury trial which was won by the defendant. Not a single one. Almost everybody accepts the plea agreement. The few who decided to fight it lost.

There's a point deduction for accepting the plea as well. If I weren't to accept the plea, that would take me out of zone B. That would mean mandatory prison time under the sentencing guidelines. I really don't want to give a judge any more reason to consider prison for me.

Thank you for the concern, but this is a hopeless battle, it really is. And I don't want to fight it. I knew I commited a crime, and my only choice is to accept responsibility for that. Everybody else who infringes copyright, including ILXers, knows they are committing a crime too, but they don't think it will ever matter.

Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 10 November 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

well remember, even oj got off, so there's hope for you!

Uh... He's signing t-shirts at horror conventions. I don't think he got off so lightly. ;-)

Mickey, I'm very sorry to hear of this. :-(

Nathalie, the Queen of Frock 'n' Fall (stevie nixed), Thursday, 10 November 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Mickey can you tell us anything about what materials got you into trouble? We all know this is not an unusual 'crime'.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

That's why I wanted to just write this thread anonymous and maybe learn a little about what it's going to be like to be a felon. But then I accidentally outed myself. I'm a fucking moron too

I realize it's a bit late for this now, but would it have been possible, right after you realized your mistake, to ask the moderators to delete the post with your username on it? Maybe a couple people would have seen it, but it wouldn't have been part of the thread.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Dude, have you contacted the EFF? I think they provide legal aid / advice that is helpful for this.

Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

o. nate, by the time the moderators anonymized it, too many people already would have seen it. It would have been pointless.

Jdubz, I haven't contacted the EFF per se, but I did speak with Cory Doctorow (of boingboing.net and the EFF) relating to copyright infringement issues before and, er, without trying to be too disrespectful, I don't think he was very informed. I was very disappointed with my interactions with him.

I spent $10,000 to hire one of the more high-profile, competent lawyers in the region here. I don't think the EFF could do anything for me that he hasn't already.

Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

Yea, I suppose since you aren't a single mother they won't work pro bono

Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

And I may be an idiot here, but everything I see on EFF's webpage relating to copyright infringement, intellectual property, etc, is all related to civil lawsuits. For example, look at this page: http://www.eff.org/share/

RIAA this, RIAA that, blah, blah, blah.

What does the EFF have to say about FBI investigations and criminal charges? I don't see anything on their page. Even if they were interested in helping me somehow, there's nothing they could do a "regular" competent criminal lawyer can't. Like I said, this is a battle that isn't worth fighting. I commited a crime knowingly and my only option is to accept the consequences.

Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

In the federal court system, I wasn't able to find a single case of a jury trial which was won by the defendant. Not a single one. Almost everybody accepts the plea agreement. The few who decided to fight it lost.


Here's some information on federal prosecutions involving copyright infringement:

http://www.cybercrime.gov/ipcases.htm

The only 2 cases I see that went to jury guilty verdict involled (1) a guy who sold hardware to pirate Direct TV, and (2) a guy who physically videotaped a movie and resold it. Both were in California and both of these are very different from file-sharing in that the evidence of intent is much more obvious and thus easier to prove. The state (technically the district) matters because a federal court in a different state might follow a different interpretation of the law than federal courts in other staes.

If you do not see specific precedent for file-sharing criminal jury verdicts (as opposed ot these more obviously hardware cases), you should really think about making the prosecution prove their case. (Even if you do plan to plead, you should probably not make public statements like the last sentence in your last post -- it doesn't help and it might hurt.)

Anyway, good luck to you.

knowyourrights, Friday, 11 November 2005 03:08 (twenty years ago)

I'm a bit confused - why is this an FBI matter? (did I miss something?)

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:15 (twenty years ago)

I would assume it's a FBI matter, because it involves a crime that was committed across state lines.

Super Cub (Debito), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:21 (twenty years ago)

Ah I see (Im not american, I dont understand their legal system really)

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:22 (twenty years ago)

I'm American, but I don't understand our legal system much either.

Super Cub (Debito), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)

knowyourrights, thanks for clearing some of that up. Er, I was going to give you a response with more information about why I think the plea agreement is a preferable option, but then I read your last sentence. And I think you're right. And I'm really not saying much more.

Thanks for being one of the few people who is sympathetic to that rather than calling me a liar.

Mickey (modestmickey), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

I decided today that I want to pursue a career in law.

It's my senior year of college, and I want to go into a law school. I wonder how this matter will affect that. And assuming I do get in law school, and graduate, I wonder how this will affect my trying to practice law.

Mickey (modestmickey), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:31 (twenty years ago)

I realize you probably can't say anything else about this, but the impression you're giving on this thread is that you were just a typical end-user file sharer. Getting hit with this kind of thing for that is so scary!

Does anyone know where one could find information on how many of these types of cases there are? The site linked above is good, but says it just represents a sample of the total number of cases.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:36 (twenty years ago)

Cybercrime.gov is really the best source for it. As I said, it's been almost two years since this whole ordeal started for me. I promise that I have done a lot of research into this, and cybercrime.gov is almost the only resource.

There's a decent amount of law professor-supplied webpages online: law journal articles, personal webpages, etc. Almost all the information is gathered exclusively from the Justice Department press releases (which are organized best on cybercrime.gov).

Same goes for the newspaper reporting of these prosecutions. They are pathetically done, rarely involving any investigation whatsoever and being solely re-worded DOJ press releases. From reading the articles wrote about myself, I can say with authority that you cannot trust newspapers to accurately cover this at the moment.

Mickey (modestmickey), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:44 (twenty years ago)

Ex-offenders can take the bar exam and practice law in most states, from a cursory go0gle search. I think you will find you'll have to explain your conviction to people - potential employers, mortgage officers, etc; get your civil rights restored as soon as possible after your sentence is completed; convince people you are not going to re-offend. Once people know the nature of your crime - not violent, not drug-related, white-collar, victimless - most opportunities will be open to you, but you will undoubtedly have to continually prove your trustworthiness.

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:56 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Hey Mickey, any updates on this?

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 12 December 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

what?

Maria :D, Sunday, 20 May 2007 20:17 (eighteen years ago)

banned, not actually dead.

John Justen, Sunday, 20 May 2007 20:23 (eighteen years ago)

This RIP meme is really fucking lame, btw.

ailsa, Sunday, 20 May 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

Hadn't he been banned for weeks?

milo z, Sunday, 20 May 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

yes.

John Justen, Sunday, 20 May 2007 20:25 (eighteen years ago)

what did he get banned for?

chaki, Monday, 21 May 2007 00:01 (eighteen years ago)

he called you a spic

lfam, Monday, 21 May 2007 00:13 (eighteen years ago)

sick shit on the vt shootings thread.

xpost ha

strgn, Monday, 21 May 2007 00:15 (eighteen years ago)

that is no ha

chaki, Monday, 21 May 2007 00:22 (eighteen years ago)

oops i was confusing pasty closet racists

lfam, Monday, 21 May 2007 00:40 (eighteen years ago)

http://i7.tinypic.com/2111hg4.jpg

gershy, Monday, 21 May 2007 00:57 (eighteen years ago)

now i will never forget

lfam, Monday, 21 May 2007 01:00 (eighteen years ago)

what did he get banned for?

iirc he made an offer to piss on the schef's face, at which point tombot offered to knock his teeth down his throat. yeah, it wuz classy stuff. on the vt shootings thread no less.

Edward III, Monday, 21 May 2007 01:16 (eighteen years ago)

i've heard worse

akm, Monday, 21 May 2007 02:54 (eighteen years ago)

I may be off base, but the combination of being part of a large FBI sting and the fact that he may be sent to a "halfway home" instead of prison suggests that the files he was sharing was illegal porn.

In which case lunging at the biggest guy in the block wouldn't be a smart thing to do on day one.

Sidestreet, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:05 (eighteen years ago)

audio porn?

Tape Store, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:07 (eighteen years ago)

they don't send people who share "illegal porn" (which would have to be child porn) to halfway homes, they put them in prison.

akm, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:08 (eighteen years ago)

In some states they do. My brother's in one.

Sidestreet, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:10 (eighteen years ago)

ysi?

Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:10 (eighteen years ago)

In any case, my assumption was wrong.

Sidestreet, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:11 (eighteen years ago)

do they put illegal porn sharers in RIAA propaganda videos?

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:12 (eighteen years ago)

IF IT'S AUDIO PORN!

Tape Store, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:13 (eighteen years ago)

I mean, someone's got to get paid, amirite?!?! Huh? Huh?!?!

p.s. I'll be collecting my modestmickey soundalike certificate via email, thankyouverymuch.

Tape Store, Monday, 21 May 2007 05:18 (eighteen years ago)

I love how in that linked article one of the persons interviewed is McNulty. DID THEY USE A WIRE?

nathalie, Monday, 21 May 2007 07:48 (eighteen years ago)

Where's the piss on comment btw?

nathalie, Monday, 21 May 2007 07:49 (eighteen years ago)

http://dban.sourceforge.net

Chromski A.K. Gattlington, Monday, 21 May 2007 08:12 (eighteen years ago)


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