How can I get $260 dollars in one day? As in today.

(also for future reference, don't wait until rent's due to start trying to figure out where to get the money)

(Dan just saved from an img xpost that would've probably been misintrepreted.)

I know it's fucking dumb. I overdrafted because I paid a medical bill. My boss at my new job told me I got paid today; it is in fact next Friday. I am normally not so desperate.

I expected about 11 joke answers to every real one.

Wait for landlord to call. Stall alittle longer. Pay next week.

I actually do live in apt. 3G too, you soothsayer!

I'm not being sexist; the offer stands for any guy who's in need of cash as well.

Same here, mines 1120 a month and my partner isnt working so im paying it all right now argh :(

Hmm, if I could do it without showing my face, that doesn't sound bad. Do you think people would visit www.averagesizedpenis.com?

Then again, my commute time is twelve minutes, my bank gives away candy and dog biscuits, and bluebirds frequently land on my shoulders for butterfly kisses.

If you can't raise the CEO salary, it makes sense to raise Abbott's salary because you will get much more productivity gains from someone who no longer worries about rent then buying an extra stapler or whatever.

Wait, so all I have to do to earn a ridic salary is practice my (near perfect) alpha male staredown?

I was taught the staredown from my mom. Can do it like no other. I never have to spank my kid, my eyes are nough. Then again, I think it's hereditary cause, my god, can Ophelia stare back. hah.

Holy shit the US top tax bracket's only 35% and doesnt kick in til $370k?

haha, welcome to our nightmare

That's if you're single. If you're married or have a family, it's higher!

BTW, assuming that's a standard chart, they're not even taxed at 35%. Only income over $372k is taxed at 35%.

I wish if a thread had to blow up into this, I wish it wouldn't have been the thread from the day I was really fucking poor and people told me to be a stripper but whatevs.

― we are normal and we want our freedom (Abbott), Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:20 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

lol

And conservs want LOWER taxes, wtf. How the fuck y'all pay for your roads and cops and schools and... wait, dont answer that.

Those are Federal income taxes, Trayce. Each state and its counties, cities, school districts, etc., while perhaps aided by the Federal government, also has recourse to sales taxes or income taxes or property taxes.

the main thing ive taken from this discussion is that more hippies should take econ 101

the main thing ive taken is that the only way to make $260 in a day is to liquidate your possessions or sell your body in some way

only 35%

Yes, obviously when you make only 372 000+ dollars a year, you're gonna need every cent.

So, Tuomas, if an artist sells millions of CDs, what happnes to to all the money above 128K or whatever you allow him or her that the CDs bring in.

??

The rest of the money could be used to support up-and-coming musicians, and less popular forms of music.

I wouldn't mind if some of that platinum revenue goes towards forced vaccinations for Jenny McCarthy or other social programs.

all remaining proceeds from "blackout" by britney spears have been diverted to support throat singing across northern asia

They already do that with tax money (in Finland at least), for example with a state grant system, monetary support for the opera, etc.

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To make it more clear: in here writers, musicians, and other artists can apply for a state grant, which will provide them enough money to live for 1/3/5 years (depending on the grant), so they can focus on their art. Of course only a limited (and somewhat elitist) group of artists will get the grant, but with more funds the system could be made more extensive.

so the government decides which bands are too shitty to make a living

The system is elitist though because it tends to favour the "high" arts (such as classical music) and shun the popular arts - but if the money would come from popular music it should be okay to give it back to popular music.

OK, the mental image of Eurovision Pop candidates getting dole money has now turned me against this idea.

What about earnings from foreign record sales through foreign record companies?

i assumed tuomas was talking about AFTER we're under the thumb of the UN

i am kind of stunned that you can not make the leap to examining how everyone making the same amount of money would be crippling to a functional economy.

also how exactly would you deal with old money/property inheritance? because basically yer system sets up a way for the currently rich to ensure that their descendants are some sort of not yet seen super rich elite

xposts to tuomas

you must have missed where we're redistributing their money to office cleaners

and before you roll out the same "hey im not talking about now it is an aim for a future utopia" that doesn't cut it when said utopia is built on complete functional and logical impossibility

Per wikipedia: A maximum wage was effectively in place in the United States from 1942 until 1964 during which the highest tax bracket was taxed at a rate of 91%.

Has Tuomas ever said "everyone gets the same $"? It seemed more like "everyone should get paid in a more equitable fashion"
I agree that sweat-hours is a poor metric. Also it favors sweaty people.

I think Tuomas's system sounds pretty good actually. I think I'll be a musician because that's the most fun job! I think everyone I know will become a musician too! My mom's already a professional musician, but now we all will be!
She and I will be paid the same right? I mean, we'll both spend the same number of hours at the same job.

Or might there be a pay disparity based on experience and skill?

aka "rarity" "scarcity" etc.

So when everyone realises they gonna get the same pay so there's no point going to uni and spending 12000000 dollars becoming a doctor or lawyer, and ten years from now we got no doctors or lawyers, hm yes nice.

I kind of think that the people arguing against Tuomas don't sound particularly more mature than he does i.e. this whole thing could be an argument among 16 year olds.

oh snap you just called me a teenager

er, I already feel like I probably shouldn't be posting on this thread, jumping in this late with yet another "angle" on the same argument that's already been played out. apologies.

xpost

Oh fuck no a world without lawyers what a chilling dystopia

funny thread

Hill Valley in 2015 was pretty tacky...
still want those nikes, though.

Has Tuomas ever said "everyone gets the same $"? It seemed more like "everyone should get paid in a more equitable fashion"

i asked him this. he says everyone should get paid the same per hour.

I kind of think that the people arguing against Tuomas don't sound particularly more mature than he does i.e. this whole thing could be an argument among 16 year olds.

― dr. johnson (askance johnson), Thursday, 29 October 2009 22:33 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

i've kinda tried to get a building block position to go from, but eh he just keeps repeating 'everyone should be paid the same, and the extra money could be used to pay everyone the same'. it's tough to go anywhere with this, so now we're having downtime on serious discussion i think.

The last i remember, he was working on making a formula that takes drudgery and physical wear and tear into account...
I would like to see this, actually.

some jobs aren't very nice jobs, and i wouldn't do them for the wages that appear to be the norm in these jobs.

it's a jump to get from that statement to a universal rule of thumb for wage levels, and i don't think that we've got to step 2 yet.

ilx be fixin the world yo

I think it's funny when people try to impose their prediliction on everyone else as if their priorities and motivations were universal. Some people don't care much for wealth. Others are avaricious and still others are just incredibly productive in one or more salient ways. I am very suspicious of any plans that too radically try to refashion human natures since they usually end in tyranny of one sort or another, though, granted the inequities of our present system serves as an effective form of tyranny for some.

If we agree everyone gets paid the same hourly rate, as has been stated, does this become the defacto rate for welfare also? You have effectively said it's 'what it costs to live on' whereas welfare is generally held to be 'the minimum required to live on'. If you have removed the concept of maxima and minima, don't the two arguments become the same thing? And if not, are you being discriminatory against those who can't work (disabilities or whatever) as opposed to those who just don't want to?

And if the above is true, what incentivises people in Tuomotopia to get a job EVER?

some jobs aren't very nice jobs, and i wouldn't do them for the wages that appear to be the norm in these jobs.

you know this isn't jsut due to the meager wage, but rather due to the fact that you're overqualified, right? if you had no education and weren't capable of skilled labor or some other intelligent profession, i bet you'd think differently about taking it.

it's merely an attempt to define the base position tuomas is taking, k3vin.

there is nothing in the statement that in any way suggests overqualification though- there's a lot of highly qualified jobs people just wouldn't do for the money offered- selling insurance, hitman, surgeon, priest, whatever. that's one of the many reasons tuomas's position is simply pointless- it's one guy's view of his own preferences and values, and is of no use (and could never be of any use) transposed on to the real world unless you somehow impose his views over the preferences and values of other individuals.

you'd need as many wage levels as there are individuals, and what you'd be left with is each individual acting on their own motivational forces to take the job that in their judgement best meets their needs at that time. which is pretty much what we have.

basically, he's geir, and the cleaning job is a rhythym and bass album.

^i was thinking the exact same thing