Bush [hearts] Dubai

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"EVERYTHING IS OK!"

Da Na Not! (donut), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:57 (twenty years ago)

Fuck, that was supposed to say Bush <3 Dubai :(

Da Na Not! (donut), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:58 (twenty years ago)

*shakes head*

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:00 (twenty years ago)

title updated

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:10 (twenty years ago)

Kinda have a separate thread but it started out jokey:

Just Wondering ....

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:14 (twenty years ago)

With the sole caveat that I wish I had someone more trustable than Bush assuring me that all security concerns are under control, I have no real problem with his line on this one.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:46 (twenty years ago)

Thus the problem.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:47 (twenty years ago)

c'mon dudes, it's DUBAI! m.e. party central!

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:56 (twenty years ago)

They're taking our jobs.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 10:42 (twenty years ago)

Some dude on TV expressed it perfectly for me last night. Inasmuch as this calls attention to existing gaps in our port security, go ahead and bash Bush, but his position wrt to the national ownership of the management company is actually correct. What's the alternative, nationalization? All of the 7/7 bombers were British, so why does it necessarily follow that a huge corporation from Dubai is going to be less trustworthy with their new acquisition than a British one was?

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

What's the alternative, nationalization?

Hooray! Oh wait...

Your friend and mine Lileks. And an interesting little anecdote from Dreher.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:49 (twenty years ago)

What are the chances that the personnel actually working the port management will change? Slim, probably. That's why they bought it; the personnel and infrastructure is already in place.

What will be the negative propaganda ramifications of saying that foreign capital can own companies with security implications for the U.S., provided that they're not Arabs?

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:58 (twenty years ago)

this morning NPR announced the White House had not informed the President until after the agreement had been reached. Tell me WTF is happening to our country? I never believed this "corporations run the US" crap until this morning!! **smirk**

Vacillating temp (Vacillating temp), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:58 (twenty years ago)

Personally I'd argue more that if you're going to implicitly if not explicitly encourage a culture of xenophobic fear over Arabs and Muslims -- a task at which the administration has not shown itself to be idle -- then acting surprised when something like this blows up in your face is kinda dumb.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:00 (twenty years ago)

why not fix the thread title properly?

bush <3 dubai

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:01 (twenty years ago)

Ned so OTM that checks should be going in the mail today.

Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:18 (twenty years ago)

It's actually Chuck Schumer being the Lead Whore on this one that convinces me it doesn't amount to much.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

In fact, if I were a conspiracy theorist, I would say that this revolt may be an interesting way for Republicans to win back support. Bush is a lame duck already and, to the extent I've been following things, it hardly seems as his support will be overwhelmingly helpful in mid-term elections.

Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

(And yes, the actual issue itself is nonsense. Bush is "right" in that regard.)

Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Bush has become an unpopular loser. Something like this, or the hunting incident, or [x], if they'd happened three years ago, would have amounted to nothing.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:25 (twenty years ago)

implicitly if not explicitly encourage a culture of xenophobic fear over Arabs and Muslims -- a task at which the administration has not shown itself to be idle

I'm on the fence with this one. Yes, they have used the old fear card in the grand American tradition - foreigners, anarchists, reds, commies, etc..., but I think for a relatively unsophisticated (read 'dumb') administration, they've been pretty consistent about saying this is not a war on Islam or on Arabs but on terrorists. Inasmuch as being openly racist about capital ownership in the U.S. specifically targets Arabs, it makes for bad press.

It worries me that Democrats, in our hatred often as irrational as the Republicans hatred of Clinton was, miss the Libby story for the shotgun one, and will miss the story about corporate ownership and concomittant lax security (i.e. for commercial reasons) for a misguided opportunity (in concurrence with 'conservatives' of the most xenophobic stripe) to kick Bushco in the nuts.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)

they've been pretty consistent about saying this is not a war on Islam or on Arabs but on terrorists

Thus, though, my 'implicitly' comment -- I think that without actually saying it, they've been at the least extremely unwilling to tackle those expressions of virulent xenophobic hatred one can all too readily encounter. All I've ever noticed are a couple of photo ops.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

this is such a non-story.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

blah blah who cares:

Dubai, 24 January 2006: - Global ports operator DP World today welcomed news that one of its senior executives, Dave Sanborn, has been nominated by US President George W. Bush to serve as Maritime Administrator a key transportation appointment reporting directly to Norman Mineta the Secretary of Transportation and Cabinet Member.

The White House has issued a statement from Washington DC announcing the nomination. The confirmation process will begin in February.

Mr Sanborn currently holds the position of Director of Operations for Europe and Latin America for the Dubai-based company

Mohammed Sharaf, CEO, DP World said:
“While we are sorry to lose such an experienced and capable executive, it is exactly those qualities that will make Dave an effective administrator for MarAd. We are proud of Dave’s selection and pleased that the Bush Administration found such a capable executive. We wish him all the best in his new role.”

Ted Bilkey, Chief Operating Officer, DP World said:
“Dave’s decades of experience in markets around the world, together with his passion for the industry and commitment to its development, will allow him to make a positive contribution to the work of the Maritime Administration. We wish him well for the future.”

Mr Sanborn, a graduate of The United States Merchant Maritime Academy, joined DP World in 2005. He previously held senior roles with shipping lines CMA-CGM (Americas), APL Ltd and Sea-Land and has been based, besides the US, in Brazil, Europe, Hong Kong and Dubai during his career. He has also served in the US Naval Reserve.

Mr Sanborn is due to take up his new role based in Washington DC later in 2006.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:44 (twenty years ago)

xpost

And yet the reaction isn't.

(Nice nepotism find, stencil!)

Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i find the reaction baffling.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

The story over here, such as it is, is yet another British company being sold, again who cares? We have a very liberal regime when it comes to foreign ownership and things like this harly even blip on the radar.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:47 (twenty years ago)

same here, ed! usually, anyways.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Wait, we're getting a smooth-jazz artist as Maritime Administrator!? Now, the terrorists really have won.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:50 (twenty years ago)

once again, the Democrats behavior is both shameful and stupid. Way to tackle the (non)issues morons.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:52 (twenty years ago)

I find Hstencil and Ed's belief that perception matters for nothing in this contremps to be terribly amusing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:58 (twenty years ago)

uh, not exactly what i'm saying, ned. there's no there there, to poorly paraphrase stein.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)

*sigh* PERCEPTION, people. The PERCEPTION among various types is turning into "Bush doesn't care about national security!," one way or another, regardless of how freakin' bland the transaction is in your eyes. And if you don't think so much of what has happened in the past few years is all about perception, bias, etc., then jeez Louise.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:01 (twenty years ago)

Percipi est esse and all that, Ned, but the Dems are being played for fools, imho.

Otoh, it will be interesting to see what a Bush veto looks like.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)

the Dems are being played for fools

As far as I can see they are far more dedicated to playing themselves in this case than being played.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:04 (twenty years ago)

OK. Fair enough.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:04 (twenty years ago)

prepare for this idiotic argument to be cloaked in pseudo-left anti-globalization terms, despite nobody caring when it was british

,,,,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

*sigh* ned i fuckin' understand that. stop being condescending, pls.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

x-post -- You are however correct about a Bush veto, and that in and of itself is *very* interesting as a larger political sign -- which why it'd be foolish to simply write this whole situation off as something to ignore.

Ethan is unsurprisingly quite correct.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

it won't come to a veto. There'll be some arm-twisting in the Senate and it will die in committee or somewhere similar.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:08 (twenty years ago)

i do agree with you, ned, that the potential of a veto is interesting, if only because bush still hasn't said nay ever. but i think that's the only interesting thing about this whole affair. and i don't think it makes me "foolish" to say so.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:08 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, there's also this:

President Bush was unaware of the pending sale of shipping operations at six major U.S. seaports to a state-owned business in the United Arab Emirates until the deal already had been approved by his administration, the White House said Wednesday.

Hmmm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Mr. Comma may be right as well, the Dems may try to play this as a corporate scandal/oligarchy/multinational thingy when they should be holding the Administration down and kicking them for outstanding security issues not fake new ones that allow the President to (a) show some backbone and (b) show some moral character.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:11 (twenty years ago)

I think this is a great issue for the Dems because it splits the conservative base right down the middle. Any issue which puts the GOP congressional leadership on the opposite side from Bush has got to be a positive for the Dems, so I think they should milk it for all it's worth. If they are smart they should be able to convey that Bush's allegiance to humongo-corporate interests trumps his commitment to national security (and with the issue of globalization and the outsourcing of America's own security as an icing on the cake).

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

Any issue which puts the GOP congressional leadership on the opposite side from Bush has got to be a positive for the Dems, so I think they should milk it for all it's worth.

hrm, any issue?

If they are smart they should be able to convey that Bush's allegiance to humongo-corporate interests trumps his commitment to national security (and with the issue of globalization and the outsourcing of America's own security as an icing on the cake).

but that's the thing, in this case there's no real reason to suspect that this deal has much, if anything, to do with "national security," given the details.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:14 (twenty years ago)

yes the harriet miers nomination turned out so well for the left

,,,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:16 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:17 (twenty years ago)

but that's the thing, in this case there's no real reason to suspect that this deal has much, if anything, to do with "national security," given the details

I think the average man on the street would see it a little differently. Republicans from Gov. Pataki on up to Frist have immediately read the tea leaves on this one, which is why they've been willing to split the party by digging in their heels against Bush's line. I don't think the Dems should do anything to make it easier on them.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:17 (twenty years ago)

It would be easy too.

"We think that kneejerk xenophobia is deplorable. We want to take some time to look this deal over and if it's as unobjectionable as the presdient says it is we won't object to it, but we do feel that the security of our ports is at risk, has been at risk for some time, that the Admisitration knows and has known about it and just as they failed to act on intelligence in the summer of 2001, they're failing here and we want to know why. Are their corporate contributors pressing them to compromise national security for their own narrow interests?

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)

answer to that last qn = 'yes, but probably not in this case, and its really more than a little bit racist to think so'

,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

ned yr phone is TOTALLY tapped dude

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

The amount of information they're getting from it will be slim. (Sample of last night's conversation -- me and my friend Ben in Las Vegas talking about roommates and living situations. NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT AHOY.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

uh, no:

If Bush was running for re-election, there would be a decent argument for replacing Cheney.

barring some sort of spiro agnew action (which of course could happen, maybe), they're not dumping cheney.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

its been shocking, and gratifying, to see republicans treat bush/cheney like such a lost cause now after 'everything changed' & coulter et al welcomed an eternal future of conservative leadership. more & more it seems like both parties are really back at square one for 08.

,,,,,,,,,,,,, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Don's link is good both in noting how polls work (ie, very suspiciously at the best of times) and how the right is still starting to freak out anyway. Will Bush have *any* cachet left after November?

As it stands, I was thinking that whoever has to run for the GOP in 2008 surely has to run implicitly, if not explicitly, *against* Bush and whatever legacy there is. Which will be interesting.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

my favorite part of dudes post is where hes noting that most adults skew left but registered voters have slightly more republicans - wheres yalls gloating about the "conservative majority" now??? the greatest threat to republicanism would be a true democracy

,,,,,,,,,,,,, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I think Ms. Lopez is female. ;-) Larger point stands, of course. Anyway, this is going to be one extended death rattle for this administration -- which I would be more flippant about if people weren't actually dying all over the place.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

*cue "toxic"*

there is a real bind cuz bushco loyalists are a bigger demo in the party than prolifers even and yet overall the guy is an anchor - none of frist's distancing moves seems to have won him points (except the ability to say 'i disagreed with president about that' in general debate come 08 should it come to that which it won't). throw in immigration (which depressingly is really gaining steam) and the real wedge seems to be between rove and alot of the party base.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.crooksandliars.com/images/Bush-CBS.jpg

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, as blount mentions, I wonder how much of this affects the Cult of Bush thing goign on right now.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

If RedState is any indication today, it's mostly being ignored. For now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

But if you want some sense as to how they are still dealing with this thread's particular issue, read away.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

ick. more cognitive dysfunction. no thanks.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

Frist has announced that he's starting to feel a "greater comfort level" about the Dubai Ports deal. Is this the beginning of GOP circling of wagons on the issue?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060228/ts_nm/security_ports_frist_dc

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

Had to happen at some point. Frist isn't loved at all by the hard right commentators so they'll read this as a further sign why he should be raked over the coals.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

It's impossible to read that statement without imagining a vice being delicately applied to his scrotum. Loosening by a quarter of a turn as soon as the phrase "greater comfort level" is uttered.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha- it helps to look at the photo accompanying that Yahoo article while imagining the vise loosening.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

the rightwing version of MediaMatters is also complaining that the 34% thing is wrong, b/c the number of repubs vs dems polled was off by 4% by what a pew poll found was out there.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

It's all flaring up again.

Efforts by the White House to hold off legislation challenging a Dubai-owned company's acquisition of operations at six major U.S. ports collapsed yesterday when House Republican leaders agreed to allow a vote next week that could kill the deal.

Appropriations Committee Chairman Jerry Lewis (R-Calif.) will attach legislation to block the deal today to a must-pass emergency spending bill funding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. A House vote on the measure next week will set up a direct confrontation with President Bush, who sternly vowed to veto any bill delaying or stopping Dubai Ports World's purchase of London-based Peninsular & Oriental Steamship Co.

Hmmm. No wonder Bush is all of a sudden interested in line-item vetos. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 05:36 (nineteen years ago)

Let the poisons hatch out.

Da Na Not! (donut), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.televisionheaven.co.uk/claudius3.jpg

Da Na Not! (donut), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

Oh they're hatching out all right.

In an election-year repudiation of President Bush, a House panel dominated by Republicans voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to block a Dubai-owned firm from taking control of some U.S port operations. Democrats clamored for a vote in the Senate, too.

By 62-2, the House Appropriations Committee voted to bar DP World, run by the government of Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, from holding leases or contracts at U.S. ports.

Bush has promised to veto any such measure passed by Congress, but there is widespread public opposition to the deal and the GOP fears losing its advantage on the issue of national security in this fall's elections.

About the only thing going for Bush is that even on most days of the week he comes across as saner than the likes of Duncan Hunter, but they're the ones currently riding high. This is going to be a debacle of huge proportions for Bush if he stands his ground.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

An indirect sense about how they start to eat their own. My favorite bit:

My simple complaint is that Bush stinks at defending his own policies, and I've grown weary of doing it for him.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 March 2006 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm!

The United Arab Emirates company that was attempting to take over management operations at six U.S. ports announced today that it will divest itself of all American interests.

The announcement appears to head off a major confrontation that was brewing between Congress and the Bush administration over the controversial deal.

Sen. John Warner (R-Va.) announced on the Senate floor shortly before 2 p.m. that Dubai Ports World would "transfer fully the operations of U.S. ports to a U.S. entity." Warner, who had been trying to broker a compromise on the issue, said DP World would divest itself of U.S. interests "in an orderly fashion" so as not to suffer "economic loss."

It was not immediately clear how the divesture would be handled or what U.S. company would take over the operation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 March 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

Hilarity:

In softening the White House's previous stand, presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said, "Our emphasis is not on trying to draw lines or issue veto threats. It's on how we can work together and move forward."

Of course.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 March 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

I hope a french company buys the divested ports.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 9 March 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

It will be Starbucks

Da Na Not! (donut), Thursday, 9 March 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

or Wal-Mart

kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 9 March 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

dood come on people its gonna be Kellog Root and Brown and we all know it.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

Surely bearded brown people load oil onto tankers for shipping to the US, why is this threat to US Homeland security allowed to continue?

Ed (dali), Friday, 10 March 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

Give it time.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 March 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

Also a quick google revealed that is it possible to buy Inidan food less that 500 metres from the whitehouse, when will this madness end.

Ed (dali), Friday, 10 March 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

END THIS HEATHEN HARBORMASTERING

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 10 March 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

Did anyone see Bush's remarks this morning... oh man

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: (ex machina), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

The "we need moderate allies like UAE more than ever and you fuckers are pissing them off" comments?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Unfortunately, UAE is only a moderate ally in the sense that their unelected ruling clique is happy to do business with us. The populace as a whole has an overwhelmingly unfavorable view of the US. See the 2005 poll from the Arab American Institute and other recent polls on attitudes in the Arab world. Only 21% of those polled in the UAE have a favorable view of the US, compared with 73% unfavorable.

http://www.aaiusa.org/polls/ArabAttitudes2005.htm

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder what % of those in the US have a favorable view of UAE?

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: (ex machina), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

Outside of the White House? Not a high %.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

Here's the transcript:

BUSH: Thank you very much.

Jerry likes to give a short introduction.

(LAUGHTER)

I appreciate you letting me come by to visit with you some. And I look forward to answering some questions you might have. You can't come to a newspaper deal without deal without answering questions.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder what % of those in the US have a favorable view of UAE?

Probably not many, but at least we are a democracy, so when our government has dealings with UAE we at least have the illusion of having been consulted. The point is that what Bush calls "cooperating with moderate allies" is often part of the very problem that makes the US is so unpopular over there. US approval ratings are often lowest in the authoritarian, undemocratic Arab states in which the US supposedly has good relations with the government. The fact that we collaborate with repressive regimes does not really work in our long-term favor in building bridges with the Arab world.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

But it's important for me to connect the idea of laying the foundation for peace with reality. And that reality is what we see in Europe today.

There were two major world wars in Europe in the 1990s -- I mean the 1900s. And today Europe is free and whole and at peace. And a lot of it has to do with the fact that the nations of Europe are democracies. Democracies don't war.

One of my best buddies in the international arena is Prime Minister Koizumi of Japan. What is interesting about that is my dad fought the Japanese as did, I'm sure, your relatives -- some of your relatives.

And yet today I can tell the newspaper owners that I work with Koizumi to keep the peace.

Democracy has the capacity to turn enemies into allies; to cause, kind of, warring factions to come together.

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: (ex machina), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Bush talks a good game about democracy, but the US has a very poor track record of supporting actual democracy around the world.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

which is, of course, why our best friends in the Arab world are all authoritarian and/or monarchies.

*sigh*

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/world/middleeast/12dubai.html?_r=2&hp

Excellent article on plummeting economy in Dubai.
The catch here is that when you owe debt there, you don't just get bad credit, you go to "debtor's prison".
Neighboring emirite apparently knew Dubai was a Walmart Creepshow all along.

System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 12 February 2009 22:59 (seventeen years ago)

gah!

Now, many expatriates here talk about Dubai as though it were a con game all along. Lurid rumors spread quickly: the Palm Jumeira, an artificial island that is one of this city’s trademark developments, is said to be sinking, and when you turn the faucets in the hotels built atop it, only cockroaches come out.

System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:00 (seventeen years ago)

this dubai is kinda awesome in theory - abandoned skyscrapers, sinking islands, violent gangs of foreigners roaming around...

iatee, Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:14 (seventeen years ago)

“Why is Abu Dhabi allowing its neighbor to have its international reputation trashed, when it could bail out Dubai’s banks and restore confidence?” said Christopher M. Davidson, who predicted the current crisis in “Dubai: The Vulnerability of Success,” a book published last year. “Perhaps the plan is to centralize the U.A.E.” under Abu Dhabi’s control, he mused, in a move that would sharply curtail Dubai’s independence and perhaps change its signature freewheeling style.

sonned by an abu dhabi in a bubble economy city beef.

Ein kluges Äpfelchen (Eisbaer), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:22 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 11:23 (sixteen years ago)


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