Racism in spain

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Someone showed this to me, I can't honestly say I check soccer news regularly but its easy to forget living in the U.S. that race is an issue across the globe. Although obv the riots in France were another big example.

http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00181/Samuel_Eto_o__Barce_181118a.jpg

Spanish football was last night bracing itself for another wave of condemnation after Samuel Eto'o, Barcelona's Cameroon striker, threatened to leave the field in protest at racist abuse during his side's 2-0 victory over Real Zaragoza.

The incident occurred 76 minutes into Saturday night's clash at the Romareda, when Barcelona won a corner. Eto'o, who had been subjected to sporadic abuse by a small section of the crowd throughout the match, went to collect the ball and bottles thrown at him before a chorus of monkey chants went up.

Eto'o pointed at Alvaro, Zaragoza's black Brazilian defender, in an attempt to underline the absurdity of the abuse, but his response served merely to increase the vociferousness of the chants. Victor Jose Esquinas Torres, the referee, ran over to a club official and demanded that an announcement be made over the PA system. His point was clear: if this behaviour did not stop, the game would be abandoned.

As Esquinas Torres returned, Eto'o, who was clearly upset, had decided to march off, saying: "I'm not carrying on like this. I'm not playing any more."

The referee sought to stop him, but it was not until players from both sides, and Barca's coach Frank Rijkaard, had spoken with him that he agreed to continue.

When Ronaldinho finally took the corner, Zaragoza's concentration had been broken. Edmilson latched on to the ball and his shot beat the keeper, Cesar, but was tipped over the bar by the midfielder Albert Celades, who was sent off.

Ronaldinho then scored from the penalty and ran over to embrace Eto'o to celebrate. Three minutes later, Eto'o crossed for Henrik Larsson to make it 2-0. By now, Eto'o was being booed by virtually the whole stadium.

This is not the first time that the player has had to endure racist abuse at Zaragoza. Last season he celebrated a goal by hopping up and down with his hands tucked into his armpits. "If they're going to treat me like a monkey, I'm going to celebrate like a monkey," he had explained. But on this occasion, Eto'o declined to comment, and left the stadium in silence.

However, his team-mates did speak out. "If Samuel had finally left the pitch, I would have gone with him," Ronaldinho said.

Carles Puyol, the Barcelona captain, added: "This isn't the first time this has happened and we have to put a stop to this kind of thing."

There was support, too, from Ewerthon, Zaragoza's Brazilian striker. "There is always racism at Spanish stadiums. It is very sad - we are all human beings."

Yet other Zaragoza players were not so supportive. Diego Milito accused Eto'o of "exaggerating" and "acting up".

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:39 (twenty years ago)

So the racism in Spain falls mainly on the plain?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:41 (twenty years ago)

I have to hurt you now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:41 (twenty years ago)

lmao

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

Racism in Spanish football is a big issue, yes. Eto'o is reported to be threatening to walk out. It would be a shame in a way, cause Barcelona are supposed to be one of the few Spanish clubs that are taking the problem seriously.

Would be nice if he came to England though.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:49 (twenty years ago)

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:50 (twenty years ago)

its easy to forget living in the U.S. that race is an issue across the globe

O RLY?

― Cousin yogurt beard (nordicskilla), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:54 (twenty years ago)

immigants!

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:55 (twenty years ago)

xpost
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― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:56 (twenty years ago)

I didn't mean to imply there wasn't racism here, rather the opposite - that bcuz slavery and racism is still such an issue here I sort of associate it w U.S. rather than world culture.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

That's how I took it. And that's why I raised an eyebrow.

― Cousin yogurt beard (nordicskilla), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:00 (twenty years ago)

Obv I should know better, I've read Destruction of Black Civilization etc but I've never been out of the country and don't hear many news stories like this with regularity.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:00 (twenty years ago)

Follow soccer with any regularity and you get depressingly used to crap like this.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:02 (twenty years ago)

Racism in Spain seems more overt than in the UK, but I am perhaps not best placed to judge. They really hate Colombians here.

― Cathy (Cathy), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:04 (twenty years ago)

Did anyone see the Bryant Gumbel thing on racism in European "soccer"?

― Cousin yogurt beard (nordicskilla), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:04 (twenty years ago)

Bryant Gumbel has really stepped up his public opinions-game of late, didn't he say something 'controversial' about how he didn't like watching the winter olympics because it had more white people than friends? Actually I think he said the GOP, not friends.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Trying to imagine Spain or Italy fielding a black player for their national football teams is a bit like trying to imagine a black woman as US President or UK Prime Minister. But this is largely due to there being a much smaller number of black people in these two countries compared to Germany (from which black international striker Gerald Asamoah has emerged in recent years) let alone the UK, Portugal, France, Holland. Still you wonder why that may be...and indeed how long it will be before you see this happen.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:12 (twenty years ago)

you can watch it here, deej: http://www.youtube.com/results?search=gumbel+%2B+real+sports&search_type=search_videos

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:14 (twenty years ago)

Thats particularly odd considering those country's proximity to Africa.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:14 (twenty years ago)

Liverani is a black player and he has played for Italy. He still plays in Lazio but he's not as good as he used to be so he won't be playing for Italy again I reckon. You also have Matteo Ferrari who is black and have played for Italy.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:15 (twenty years ago)

Thats particularly odd considering those country's proximity to Africa.

not all africans are the same, dude.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)

huh?

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)

not that spaniards tend to like moroccans much either, mind ya.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, since when do countries like their neighbours??

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Uhhh I'm just thinking along the lines of North American logic where we have more Mexicans entering the country regularly than say Russians.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:21 (twenty years ago)

in other words, i presumed proximity would have some effect on immigration trends.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:21 (twenty years ago)

Huh? And Americans are never racist towards Mexicans? You've lost me.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Oh, got you. You're talking about immigration numbers, not racism. Sorry

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, since when are Moroccans Sub-Saharan (ie "black") Africans?
Yeah, since when did Americans start loving Mexicans?

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:23 (twenty years ago)

No, POLITICS and WAR do.

xxp

― Cousin yogurt beard (nordicskilla), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:23 (twenty years ago)

i think most afro-spanish citizens are north african arabs, not ppl traditionally considered 'black'

xpost w/ stence

― ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Monday, 27 February 2006 19:23 (twenty years ago)

Well, they're not just close to Africa, they were under dark-skinned Moorish dominion for the greater part of the Middle Ages.

When a friend of my flatmate was indulging in some casual Muslim-bashing the other day, he said "I hate Moors". This seemed really strange to me - they have a perfectly good word for Muslims, but here still called them "los Moros"...

I don't really know what to say about this except that Spanish racism is as strange and irrational as everywhere else.

― Cathy (Cathy), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:24 (twenty years ago)

OK Ethan's making sense where hstencil seems like hes posting on another thread.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:28 (twenty years ago)

Even so I assumed that presumed 'arab' africans would be facing very similar attitudes.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:29 (twenty years ago)

But there's plenty of black Africans in Spain, not as many as North Africans, but still plenty. Lots of them illegal immigrants from West Africa.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Vicente Engonga has caps for Spain. tbh though, he's the only black Spanish player I can think of and AFAIK he's actually from Africa anyway. SO I'm not sure there's much of an argument there.

― Cracks (Crackity), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:30 (twenty years ago)

whatever, dude.

also, it could be totally wrong, but i've gotten the impression while in spain that sub-saharan africans are generally "treated better" (whatever that may mean, i guess) than north africans. could be completely talkin' out my ass there, tho.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:31 (twenty years ago)

makes sense considering moorish rule + current anti-muslim bullshit

― ,,,,,,,,,, Monday, 27 February 2006 19:33 (twenty years ago)

& yes of course plenty of black africans are muslim too etc etc

― ,,,,,,,,,, Monday, 27 February 2006 19:34 (twenty years ago)

stence,
i never implied that i was only referring to subsaharan africans and my reference to mexico was only related to immigration trends, not how mexicans were treated in this country.

I guess what I was trying to get at w the proximity remark - now that we've clarified that apparently Spain saves a unique brand of hate for sub-saharan Africans - was that I'm interested to know why there are fewer Africans in Spain and Italy than the other countries mentioned?

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:35 (twenty years ago)

I forgot all about Engonga! He used to be decent on CM.

Yeah, so we've pwned you now, Sororah. Aknowledge it! :)

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Because Spain didn't have any colonies where black people lived, and Italy only had one: Eritrea/Ehtiopia(not really!).

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:36 (twenty years ago)

Spanish club Getafe's interesting attempt at showing solidarity with black players.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:39 (twenty years ago)

i never implied that i was only referring to subsaharan africans...

ya started the thread about racism against a sub-saharan african player, then you wondered why racism against africans existed despite spain's "proximity," which to me seemed kind of weird considering spain's relations with its closest african neighbor (ie. not so good - they almost went to war over some rocks just a few years ago).

and my reference to mexico was only related to immigration trends, not how mexicans were treated in this country.

and my point was that immigration trends do not tend to make people less racist. perhaps, they make them more so (this is not an argument against racism, imo).

I guess what I was trying to get at w the proximity remark - now that we've clarified that apparently Spain saves a unique brand of hate for sub-saharan Africans...

check my other posts, i'm not sure how true that is - but i'm not in a position to definitively state so.

- was that I'm interested to know why there are fewer Africans in Spain and Italy than the other countries mentioned?

if africans = people other than sub-saharan africans, this is probably false.

xpost - lovelace also brings an excellent point.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:40 (twenty years ago)

whoops, this should read:

perhaps, they make them more so (this is not an argument against immigration, imo).

heh.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:41 (twenty years ago)

I think it needs to be said to our American friends that it's only a very, very small portion of the fans in the stadiums who spout this bullshit.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)

ah, the Getafe thing.

― Cousin yogurt beard (nordicskilla), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)

Here in the North, immigrants appear to be overwhelmingly from Latin America or China.

My flatmate told me that if she ever brought home a black or Colombian boy, her parents would cut her head off.

Excuse my throwing these observations out here, in the absence of any actual insight.

― Cathy (Cathy), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)

then you wondered why racism against africans existed despite spain's "proximity,"
oh thats where the misunderstanding is, nah I was asking that question in reference to Sororah's statements about Germany and Italy's black populations, not in reference to the amount of racism. Obviously proximity doesn't correlate to degrees of hatred.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)

yeah but even regards to that, it seemed odd, like, you sorta assumed proximity to africa must mean only sub-saharans would emigrate, or something.

but anyway, yeah. seems to me like a lot of this stuff (ie. football racism) is everywhere in europe, tho i could be wrong on that. italy's got that fascist salute guy, now this in spain, i know the uk's got problems, etc.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:46 (twenty years ago)

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When they get interviewed on the telly they always say how delighted they are to be living in the mother country. They could be fibbing, I suppose.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 15:40 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but Agustin Delgado reckoned he was happy playing for Southampton. He was pants on fire fibbing.

I watched the Zaragoza vs Barca game on the rerun, Sunday morning. It was shocking television.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:00 (twenty years ago)

Remember Zaragoza did this to Ajax, back in the Van Gaal era.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:02 (twenty years ago)

I was in Zaragoza last year. It wears its Moorish heritage badge with pride, ironically, given Saturday's events.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Samuel Eto'o does not look like a Moor

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

Dear God.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)

i think the zaragoza supporters just tried to do something that made eto'o nervous, and the easy way was the racist one...
of course there's racism in spain, but i don't think there's much more than in the uk or france, to name two places i know well.
there's ignorant people everywhere.

― joan vich (joan vich), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:48 (twenty years ago)

joan: this happens pretty much every week on several stadiums in spain. atletico madrid and getafe are two more well known examples than zaragoza. not to mention when spain played against england. but this is a small majority of the fans, yes.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:16 (twenty years ago)

i mean small minority

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:17 (twenty years ago)

It doesn't seem to be that small a minority, judging from the Spain v England game - it was thousands of fans. It is not like the UK. If thousands of fans repeatedly made monkey chants at black players at a Premiership club there would be uproar. The media would crucify those fans, and the club would face a very serious crackdown - certainly a large fine, maybe games behind closed doors. In Spain they would get fined 600 Euros. If the manager of the England team tried to motivate his players by saying "you're better than that black shit - Henry" he would be sacked, and rightly so. He wouldn't get mealy mothed protection from all and sundry. He wouldn't get told that it was OK - just agitators making a mountain out of a molehill. If white English players showed sympathy with a black team mate who was on the receiving end of racist abuse by symbolically blacking their faces with shoe polish - well, the mind boggles. I just can't even begin to imagine that happening here.

― Tehrannosaurus HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

The UK is unforgivably racist, but Spain is much, much, much worse.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Well, I watch the Primera Division often and it's always a small minority of the fans who do it.

And I think most people on this thread would agree that racism both in football and in general is far worse in Spain than other parts of Western Europe so I'm not disagreeing with you there.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:31 (twenty years ago)

My parents have retired to the parts of Spain you would imagine and have done so in an almost completely stereotypical way (ie their grasp of the languages is the restaurant and bars page of the guide book). I have always been interested in what might be the quite justified prejudice against people who make no attempt to integrate buying up property and causing a boom which prices out the locals both property and restaurantwise.

Olenska, I would be interested in your views on this (I know this isn't where you live though - also HELLO!!) My parents also retired to Spain and live in the area you would imagine that British ex-pats would live, and have done so through many years of going there on holiday and enjoying the area. However, they have made a conscious decision to live outside of the areas populated by British incomers, because they love the Spanish way of life and want to live in *Spain* as opposed to living in a British part of Spain.

They haven't bought property because it's out of their price range. However, I can assure you that they don't spend money in the "british shops" (2 euros for a tin of Campbells soup) and other such silliness. They aren't too fond of the people who moan that you can't get a decent Yorkshire pudding, who are willing to pay 4 euros for a pint of John Smiths, and who get on a bus to Gibraltar every other week so they can go Safeway and buy "real food". Do people like this keep the Costa Del Sol going, or would you want rid of them?

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:49 (twenty years ago)

In a lot of those places they are more or less the only source of income, hence tolerance of "ravers" on Ibiza and so on.

Monkey chanting and the like is only a minority, but casual racism amongst the crowd has often taken the shine off my (admittedly not very shiny) experience of matches at Real Sociedad, for example. I mean things like racial insults of the kind one "shouldn't get out of proportion".

Mind you, the same is true of Tamworth, Bournemouth, Derby, Leicester - everyhwere I've been really.

So nil-nil.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 10:28 (twenty years ago)

I have weened my parents off of the Gibraltar run, by pointing out that in the local Spanish shops (read Spanish supermarkets) the following rules apply
a) It is cheaper (they aren't made of money but got lucky with London house prices)
b) You can usually recognise the food on the picture on the packet, or from itself in the first place (buy fresh)
c) if it is in the food aisle, whatever it is will be edible.

The only thing they moan about not being able to get is smoked haddock! They are not that bad, but consider themselves to be too old to learn a new language which is sad. On the other hand they were always pretty anti-social when they were in the UK so they aren't missing much.

The thing that often concerns me is that an awful lot of people like this are not offical residents. I read a story (may or may not be true) that the Costa Del Sol has about 1.5 million offical residents, but actually has a regular population of 4 million (which may soar to six or seven in the summer). This seems an awful strain on public services (sewers!) if nothing else.
And of course I love going there!!!

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 11:21 (twenty years ago)

It says here..

Real Zaragoza have been fined 9,000 Euros after some of their fans aimed racist taunts at Barcelona's Samuel Eto'o in Saturday's Primera Liga match.
The fine is significantly larger than those that have normally been handed out to clubs for such incidents.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 11:51 (twenty years ago)

what i can't stand about brit residents (or german, or wherever they come from) is why they don't even try to learn spanish and melt with the local population.
when they do (and many people have done for ages, fortunately), you can tell how much local people appreciates it. i think it's a very stupid and disrespectful thing to do.

― joan vich from another computer, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 12:27 (twenty years ago)

c) if it is in the food aisle, whatever it is will be edible.

Haha! I'm not the most picky of eaters, but I've got to say food here in the north is, on the whole, foul. It is very cheap though.

― Cathy (Cathy), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 12:45 (twenty years ago)

Cathy, whereabouts are you living out of the North? And where do you exactly come from? Just curious.

It is frustrating how most expats show off their ignorance about local food, drink, or habits; it can become even offensive because at the end of the day it is just about looking down on the people who have become your neighbours just out of your own choice.

However, what they cannot be blamed for it´s for rampant housing prices and speculation. Local greed must account for in a great deal. I agree, most of us we are not corrupt city council staff, and unfortunately we have to face their shenanigans´consequences.

― olenska (olenska), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:53 (twenty years ago)

I am English and living in León.

― Cathy (Cathy), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:54 (twenty years ago)

I thought you were Scottish!

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:56 (twenty years ago)

Nope, but I lived in Glasgow two years before coming out here, and my accent has gone a little wobbly - not even really Scottish though, just sort of odd.

― Cathy (Cathy), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:00 (twenty years ago)

I did not know Cathy was English. This is a shock.

There must be nice pig-derived products in Leon, and lentils and beans and things.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:23 (twenty years ago)

english??

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Cathy doesn't sound remotely Scottish. Or Spanish.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:26 (twenty years ago)

there are a lot of pig-derived products, indeed. and a lot of slimy vegetables in jars. the other day I had some kind of lentil and chorizo broth. the food here is very stodgy and meaty, it seems.

Alba, when I go back to English everyone says I sound Scottish! But I think they are just being ridiculous. My voice has just gone a bit squeaky, I think.

― Cathy (Cathy), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Nick, I have never met Cathy, or spoken to her on the phone. She could sound like Cuddles the Monkey for all I know.

Cathy, it's to keep the cold out. Soon it will be all salads and Magnums.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:38 (twenty years ago)

I like the Parador in Leon! And the Gaudi building.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:41 (twenty years ago)

I do hope so. Today when I walked to work it was minus 3.

I do love Spain and Leon, of course, just not the food or the weather.

― Cathy (Cathy), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:44 (twenty years ago)

I was really directing my shock at stevem, PJ.

Funnily enough, she does sound quite a lot like Cuddles the Monkey.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:51 (twenty years ago)

Although I have met Cathy, I didn't really get a chance to talk to her properly or hear her speak enough to realise she didn't sound Scottish.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:53 (twenty years ago)

I guess that St Isidoro´s paintings, the Cathedral and San Marcos are worth enduring that horrid morcilla and botillo and cecina exposed in
every shop window.

It´s just funny about food tastes. Average Glasgow fare would make most Spaniards puke. And I would get just as mad with them as Alba did with balkanizating groups in that other thread

― olenska (olenska), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 15:57 (twenty years ago)

Cuddles the monkey had a terrific voice.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:00 (twenty years ago)

Mmm morcilla.

It is a pity football supoorters don't abuse black players by doing their Cuddles the Monkey impersonation.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Morcilla, bleugh. Vegetarians in Spain are treated worse than big-eared Cameroon strikers.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:12 (twenty years ago)

what about haggis, btw?

― olenska (olenska), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:16 (twenty years ago)

it's disgusting

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Yes, it is funny about food. I buy Heinz Baked Beans from Mercadona, and my flatmate recoils in disgust at the sight of me eating them on toast.

― Cathy (Cathy), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:56 (twenty years ago)

My wife reacts in a similar way.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)

so do I

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)

baked beans on toast? argh! i'd go for cecina and botillo instead any time! :-)

― joan vich (joan vich), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 19:55 (twenty years ago)

Sororah T: Good boy. Incidentally, I'm watching the Spain vs Ivory Coast game right now and there is a black player playing for Spain. I had no idea that Villareal's Marcos Senna was Spanish.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:49 (twenty years ago)

It would be a first if he was actually selected for a tournament squad though right?

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:50 (twenty years ago)

That's most likely true since I don't think Engonga ever played in the WC for Spain, nor did Liverani or Ferrari for Italy if I remember it corretly.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:55 (twenty years ago)

Fucking Spaniards turned the game around! Argh.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:55 (twenty years ago)

I don't know why BBC can't display results for all int. friendlies on their site. I'm having to rely on Sporting Life's online videprinter.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:59 (twenty years ago)

These are the best sites for livescores from around the world:

http://www.livescore.com
www.futbol24.com

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 23:03 (twenty years ago)

gracias!

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 23:04 (twenty years ago)

Marcos Senna is only recently Spanish - he used to be Brazilian iirc. And I wish he'd scopre a couple quickly, I've got a fiver riding on Spain.

I love Spain, strangely I've never really heard much racism over there, apart from a few low murmurings at the Depor game we were at in November...

x-post

aha! they did get a couple, nice, that's me 15 quid up on the night, an dthe BBc do a live videprinter of all the scores:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/live_videprinter/default.stm

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 23:07 (twenty years ago)

but they don't list all those fixtures beforehand (which i think is what i must've meant)

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 23:12 (twenty years ago)

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