NY Times piece on the War on Contraception

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Did anybody see the pretty long bit in this week's NYT Magazine: Contra-Contraception

the article is about how pro-lifers seem to have gone beyond just trying to outlaw abortion, but contraception itself. Christina Page wrote an excellent book all about this, too.

One of the bullshit defenses that seems to be popping up lately is that contraception is somehow preventing "love" in a relationship:

"...We are opposed to sex before marriage and contraception within marriage. We believe that the sexual act is meant to be a complete giving of self. Of course its purpose is procreation, but the church also affirms the unitive aspect: it brings a couple together. By using contraception, they are not allowing the fullness of their expression of love. To frustrate the procreative potential ends up harming the relationship."

The article also touches on subjects like abst-only education and its failures both in America & in Africa, or the Plan B thing, where the fundie that Dubya installed overrode the advisory panel's recommendation to make the drug available over the counter to women older than 16 or 17.

My question is, at what point does it become head-bashingly obvious that the current movement seems ultimately an attempt to enforce punishment over an act they don't like? And that it all comes down to fucking? Do they consider cock-blocking to be a valid form of abstinence? And what happens when you do have more states doing the S.Dakota thing of taking a pretty unopopular decision and trying to ban any form of abortion(some excepting the mother's health, some not)?

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

block a cock for jesus.

yeah, i found the article alarming but not surprising. i just really hope this is the political non-starter it should be ad we don't have to spend the next 30 years fighting all over again about decent access to contraception.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

I worry less about this than other shit, 'cause people are always gonna fuck & enjoy fucking no matter how bananas Xians get over the question, and frankly I like to see these people showing their true colors

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

There's that, but it's gotten to the point where they're now up enough in the hierarchy to pull shit like killing Plan B as an OTC purchase. Also, they control plenty of state standards for sex-ed, so even more kids are going to go thru all this not knowing what's going on.

It's like yeah they're always on about this, but they've gotten to the point where a lot more misery is visited on folks(both here & in Africa, etc) due to their fucked-up ideology. Doesn't matter that the shit doesn't work, or more folks are gunna be hurting due to these policies, they'll stick to 'em anyway. Hell, misery is the point, innit? you had the nasty unapproved sex, so you have to take "personal responsibility" now and take the punishment. enjoy a lifetime of poverty.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

And it's gotten to the point where they don't give a fuck about shit like the human papillomavirus(HPV), where you can prevent this thing that can lead to cervical cancer and a whole other mess of problems just with this little inoculation you give to girls before they become sexually active. I linked to a bit about this on that South Dakota thread from a while ago; one of the Dobson types proudly declared that he wouldn't have his daughter inoculated against HPV. Again, you have the unlicensed sex, you get punished.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, no doubt, it's loathesome, but it's not an issue I'd wanna push, since 1) they won't be caused to give ground, and they hold all the emotional cards on this one and 2) as I say, the long-term battle's already lost on account of people like to fuck. So trying to force this issue is a waste of political energy; not that I'm a campaign strategist, but frankly I think the best move would be to pretend you hadn't even noticed this and quietly reverse policies once you'd taken office. Which is exactly what Bush did in re: family planning. Not pretty, but neither are politics.

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know, as political scare tactics go i think "they want to take away your birth control" isn't a bad one. instead of waiting to have to defend the issue, it might be better to take control of the debate and put conservatives on the defensive -- make them assure people that, no, they're really NOT going to take away your birth control.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

There's a working HPV innoculation?

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

There's one if you take it young enough, i think. Lemme go find the bit about it.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think it has to be given/taken before puberty, maybe? Or in early stages? Which is slightly horrifying, because it means that for now, anyway, under current medical standards, parents HAVE TO request/authorize it and if they don't, the window for being protected is closed.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

there is a working HPV innoculation, and this war on contraception thing is anti-it. I remember that from a New Yorker article a few months ago. I was kind of shocked, because it was such a clear instance of politics of resentment. I mean, there's no reason to be anti-HPV vaccine unless you want to punish women for having sex.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 8 May 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, and one of the things that Cristina Page brings up is that a lot of the really conservative groups(e.g. Concerned Woman of America) have interesting but not surprising stances on medical/childbirth leave; they don't offer any.

xpost yup, that's entirely it.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 8 May 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, I think I made that up. Consensus is that it's most effective when given pre-exposure, so before girls becoming sexually active, but the vaccine has been used on a range of ages and still gets results.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=22620

http://womens-health.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/2003/108/1

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 8 May 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

okay, found my old thread on this: Guess what they just voted to do in South Dakota

In the US, for instance, religious groups are gearing up to oppose vaccination, despite a survey showing 80 per cent of parents favour vaccinating their daughters. "Abstinence is the best way to prevent HPV," says Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council, a leading Christian lobby group that has made much of the fact that, because it can spread by skin contact, condoms are not as effective against HPV as they are against other viruses such as HIV.

"Giving the HPV vaccine to young women could be potentially harmful, because they may see it as a licence to engage in premarital sex," Maher claims, though it is arguable how many young women have even heard of the virus.

the two relevant links, containing both the above quote and the medical info:

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/sex/mg18624954.500

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3964263.stm

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 8 May 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

I'm all for letting the parts of the right wing that are motivated by the demiurge to be as loud and controlling and influential as possible. We're discussing less than 1/3rd of the country at this point, a fringe of truly uninformed, irrational people, and them trying to force more and more psychopathic behavior control on their fellow citizens just means a bigger and bigger backlash. These people deserve nothing less than to be lumped in with their murderous brethren who took it upon themselves to assassinate doctors in their own homes, and at this rate it can't be much longer before the rest of the country figures it out.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 8 May 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with that, but at the same time, what happens to all the people who get fucked over(not a pun) in the meantime? While these assholes are running about and being assholes, there's no shortage of american kids getting stds, pregnant, etc not to mention all the developing world shit.

Also, this assumes that enough people actually will wake up about this shit, and that ain't always the case; e.g. you can't shake or weaken an irrational framework thru rational means. It's like there's enough people who already dismiss the evidence of their senses for faith in their narrative.

Yeah, that number's only about 32% of the population now, but those 32% are in positions to fuck over the rest of us.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 8 May 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, sometimes i doubt the ability of these hopefully self-correcting systems to self-correct, since the feedback control mechanism's been systemically weakened or destroyed over the course of the last 5-25 years.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 8 May 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

If some of our OPPOSITION PARTY LEADERSHIP would grow a fucking pair and quit acting cowed by the threat of being labelled sexually promiscuous atheist drug dealer terrorist sympathizers, I think the tables could be turned quite effectively at any moment. They're in positions to fuck over the rest of us because we let them get there, though yes in at least one very public case they cheated at the fucking polls.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 8 May 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

omelette/eggs, kingfish, it's an unfortunate bit of discarded lefty rhetoric but it's also true

xpost Tombot OTM, but the Dems are gonna be totally nutless all year this year & in '08, too, just watch

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Monday, 8 May 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

meanwhile, yet another shockah in from yesterday's LA Times:

Many Youths Disregard Their Virginity Pledges, Harvard Study Says
According to interviews, more than half have sex within a year. But one pro-abstinence group disputes the findings.

By Elizabeth Mehren, Times Staff Writer
May 7, 2006

BOSTON — Virginity pledges, in which young people vow to abstain from sex until marriage, have little staying power among those who take them, a Harvard study has found.

But hey, who needs statistics?!

The findings have raised the ire of Concerned Women for America, a prominent conservative organization that advocates adolescent sexual abstinence.

"The Harvard report is wrong," said Janice Crouse, a fellow at a Concerned Women for America think tank.

"This study is in direct contradiction with trends we have been seeing in recent years," Crouse said. "Those who make virginity pledges have shown greater resolve to save sex for marriage."

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 8 May 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

The problem with many of the people who advocate certain extreme laws like this is that, while they nobly strive to create a culture of life, they often focus their attention on creating that culture through liberal democractic process, which tacitly affirms a culture of death contrary to the culture of life those people are trying to create. Modern politics is founded upon an anthropology of primordial violence, a war of all against all, and it is thus unclear that modern politics is the best means of creating a culture of life.

Religious folk interested in creating a culture of life need to create that culture apart from modern politics, so they need another domain besides the US government to do their work. That domain is the church, which should be a counterculture of life that calls into the question the legitimacy of the prevailing culture of death, but does not entangle itself in the culture of death. LIberal politics should be resorted to only when it is an urgent necessity, such as in the immediate defense of living human beings.

clouded_vision (clouded_vision), Monday, 8 May 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, who let Thomas Hobbes in here?

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 8 May 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

These people deserve nothing less than to be lumped in with their murderous brethren who took it upon themselves to assassinate doctors in their own homes, and at this rate it can't be much longer before the rest of the country figures it out.

I wish this were true, Tombot, but somehow I'm just not convinced. We have high gas prices and Iraq to thank for the current levels of discontent, and that's about it.

pleased to mitya (mitya), Monday, 8 May 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

i liked how it was mentioned that, following a certain logic, breastfeeding could be considered abortion because it tends to cut down on conception/implantation/pregnancy.

I EMBRACE YOU, CULTURE OF DEATH

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 8 May 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

Also, can someone explain to me where the "love means riding bareback all day and all night" bit comes in?

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

What this says to me is that the pro-life movement figures that the abortion conflict is as good as won and is now gearing up for the next battle.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

_____ is a gift from God; for you to fuck with it by [wearing a condom/using an umbrella/committing suicide/undergoing chemotherapy?] is an affront to Him.

Russell Banks' neighbo[u]r's bumper sticker: GOD SAID IT, I BELIEVE IT, AND THAT SETTLES IT.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

another newsbit on the HPV vaccine, which Merck is submitting for approval.

then we have this bit with an upcoming CDC panel on STD's:

The controversy involves the 2006 National STD Prevention Conference in Jacksonville, Fla., which began yesterday.

An aide to Rep. Mark Edward Souder (R-Ind.), sent an e-mail April 26 to the Department of Health and Human Services raising questions about a panel titled "Are Abstinence-Only-Until-Marriage Programs a Threat to Public Health?"

"Just the title alone was enough to cause us concern," said Martin Green, Souder's spokesman. But the congressman also was alarmed because one of the speakers was focusing on a report produced by the office of Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.) that was critical of abstinence programs, and because no one would be speaking in support of such programs.

"We wanted to see some balance on this panel," Green said.

In response, the CDC last week changed the name of the panel to "Public Health Strategies of Abstinence Programs for Youth," removed the panelist discussing the Waxman report and added two proponents of abstinence, Eric Walsh of Loma Linda University in California and Patricia Sulak of Scott & White Memorial Hospital in Texas, founder of an abstinence-promotion program called Worth the Wait.

"Upon further review of the composition of the panel, CDC did decide the symposium was not balanced and needed to be expanded to include a broader perspective on abstinence education," said CDC spokeswoman Terry Butler. Butler said there was not enough time to put the new presentations through the peer-review process.

"What was basically a propaganda panel has had its politicized nature removed and appears now to be a more accurate reflection of the scientific opinion," Green said...

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

haha the good old CDC. It's a goddamn wonder we don't still have blood banks full of HIV.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, in the New Yorker piece, it was mentioned that the CDC took down a fact sheet about condoms from its website under pressure from the Bush administration.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

here's one of the rightwing group, best described as "anti-fucking activists," called "The Physicians Consortium".

they surprisingly don't like the CDC, either:

Groups ranging from Planned Parenthood to the CDC advocate that teens use a cut-up condom as a dental dam. These groups even make the claim that condoms, cut up and used as dental dams, reduce the risk of STD infection.

The Physicians Consortium has complained about the promotion of condoms as dental dams to the FDA. The FDA acknowledges that no scientific evidence exists to support the claim that dental dams reduce the risk of STDs. The FDA also states that any claim of protectiveness of an altered condom is not permitted. Yet, the FDA refuses to challenge false claims by Planned Parenthood and other groups. The CDC also continues to make the claim that condoms used as dental dams protect against the spread of STDs, despite the lack of scientific evidence.

Ooo! Ooo! and they have .pdfs you can download!

xpost

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, this is probably head-bashingly obvious, but one of the problems is that to these guys, punishment & misery are welcome things. If you don't have painful reinforcement of the rules, beat your kids, throw them in jail for decades, they'll never learn. Pain & punishment are good, character-building things. You'll starve without welfare? Well that's good, 'coz it'll teach you to be a harder worker. etc.

So, to them, the fact that millions of folks are suffering and going thru shit due to their fucked-up policies is not seen as a problem, but rather evidence that they'll working correctly. That's why i go on about this, even if it is getting the poitn of ranting at the choir; the corrective measures to fix a problem will never be taken by these people b/c its not seen as a problem, and plenty of other people starve, get cervical cancer & die, ruin their lives, etc b/c of it.

it's part of the reason why the u.s. has the 2nd worst infant mortality rate in the modern world.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, this stuff gets me really riled up, b/c as i see it, if this ain't functionally evil, what is?

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

"A Puritan is someone who is deathly afraid that someone, somewhere, is having fun." H.L. Mencken

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I liked these people better when they were teetotallers

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

I love getting mileage out of "an Evangelical is just a Protestant who's mad about something."

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

I have to say, I roffled at the CWA woman saying "the study is wrong" - it sounds like she means "it's [morally] wrong to tell inconvenient truths"

but again: the Harvard study suggests that I'm right - people're just gonna keep on a-fuckin', I almost wish these psycho-heads would outlaw premarital sex so they could learn just how powerless they really are

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

If you want extra fun, listen to any radio show where they have both a CWA rep and somebody like Chris Mooney, where they'll both argue whatever point there is and then Mooney will go meta with deconstructing how rightwing scientific claims aren't actual claims.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

so they could learn just how powerless they really are

i disagree on this point; if anything, these folks are WAY too powerful.

these folks are responsible for outright toxic bullshit being taught to yer kids at school, for the lack of federal investment in both stem cell technology and proper family planning worldwide, for stuff like blocking Plan B being available over the counter, etc.

Hell, in Cristina Page's book, she goes into detail about one little four-man rightwing group in N.Virginia that got millions in U.S. funding to massively critical UN world health programs completely frozen(the vast majority of said programs having shit to do w/ family planning); our friends in the U.K., France, Germany, & elsewhere were so pissed off they poured cash into the program to (i believe) more than make up for the american contribution.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

"It is now quite lawful for a Catholic woman to avoid pregnancy by a resort to mathematics, though she is still forbidden to resort to physics and chemistry." H.L. Mencken

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

I almost wish these psycho-heads would outlaw premarital sex so they could learn just how powerless they really are

Thing is, i don't think their goal is to outlaw the sex so much as using the law to make increase the amount of punishment you get for committing it. I think they alrady agree that folks won't stop fuckin'(human beings being sinful and Fallen and whatnot); they just want you to hurt b/c of it. Punishment is paramount.

It's why they may find it lamentable that your kid gets cervical cancer from catching HPV, but without firm rules, society would collapse, etc, so there'll be no vaccinations.

that's why they won't stop you from humpin'; you've got all teh Free Will to go violate God's Law(TM) that you want. They just want to make sure that you "take personal responsiblity" for it and have to have that kid, get that disease, etc. These are folks who believe that God forces you to get pregnant upon humpin', and anything you do to prevent that is immoral and "avoiding responsiblity", etc.

It's like what blount was talking about on the so-dak thread; using medical technology is now seen as irresponsibility.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

I almost wish these psycho-heads would outlaw premarital sex so they could learn just how powerless they really are

Thing is, i don't think their goal is to outlaw the sex so much as using the law to make increase the amount of punishment you get for committing it. I think they alrady agree that folks won't stop fuckin'(human beings being sinful and Fallen and whatnot); they just want you to hurt b/c of it. Punishment is paramount. Why else would you allow HPV to result from intercourse? Isn't there an old line about "cervical cancer being the curse of the faithful wife"? i.e. she never screwed around and so she never thought to get checked against anything she might have caught from her husband.


They won't stop you from humpin', even tho they don't like it; you've got all teh Free Will to go violate God's Law(TM) that you want. They just want to make sure that you "take personal responsiblity" for it and have to have that kid, get that disease, etc. These are folks who believe that God forces you to get pregnant upon humpin', and anything you do to prevent that is immoral and "avoiding responsiblity", etc.

It's like what blount was talking about on the so-dak thread; using medical technology is now seen as irresponsibility.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

kingfish OTM.

The other fucked up thing about their position is that it actually shows a LACK of faith. If it's all going to be up to God's judgement these f0rnicat0rz don't need to punished on earth right? But either there's a huge element of sadism and first-to-throw-stone-ianism to their position, or they don't actually believe that said judgement is coming. Maybe a little of both, nu?

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

A bit of both actually, but also a belief that the Natural Order is the Moral Order, i.e. everything is set up the way God wanted it, so to change or question any of this is to go against God. Kinda a Calvinist mindset, really.

So you had God make men stronger than women, so God must favor men and women should defer to them, etc. Success is a result of you working hard and showing your worthiness to God, and Disease is a result of God's unhappiness with you b/c you slept with that whore or had hemophilia. Or something.

Note that I don't attack these folks out of religion, since I was born, raised, & still consider myself (loosely) Protestant. It's more that they have they have ascetic, authoritarian, & insecure neurosis that they clothe in religion. Jimmy Carter said it best in his latest book, that it is ultimately fundamentalism is the problem(in religion & in politics). There have always been folks like this, true, but we in america live in a time where their three decades of planning have put them in control of all aspects, and allowed fundamentalist-types to take power in other parts of the world as a response.

Of course, there is the _other response_ that's worth noting; the election of more left-leaning gov'ts as a response to American conservative political fundamentalism(e.g. Spain, Italy, several S.American countries, etc). Lord only knows what's gunna happen when Blair/Harper/Howard leave(get booted out of) office.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah, and Drudge posted this here Reuters bit about one of the presentations at that CDC conf in Florida mentioned above. The report is about the increase in oral & anal sex among teenagers in the last decade(of course, these are self-reported cases), but that this brings the increased risk of STD transmission.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

In praise of childlessness.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

hmm.

Since the Admin won't release Plan B as an OTC drug, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists is now urging women to get pre-emptive Rx for it, just in case something happens.

The new "Ask me" campaign takes the discussion back to doctors' offices. ACOG is providing its 49,000 members with waiting-room posters to urge women of childbearing age to ask about a prescription they could keep on hand in case they need emergency contraception in the future.

"Accidents happen," the posters say

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

...then on the other side of the spectrum, we have the teacher who was fired from her job at a Catholic School in Wisconsin for getting an in-vitro dealie since she & her husband couldn't concieve for 5 years....

Also, these being modern times, the fired teacher put up a website about it, including baby pics of the resulting twins, scans of printed-out emails, etc

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 12 May 2006 04:06 (nineteen years ago)

on a related note, yesterday's Fresh Air, where Terry Gross interviews Michelle Goldman, who wrote "Christian Nationalism". The first example addressed is the fundie fucking with the CDC's event this week(mentioned above).

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 12 May 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmm, fundie fucking.

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 12 May 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

Also, they do bring up something that I was trying to talk about earlier. I think there is a _great_ danger in just writing these people off as harmless whacked-out fuckheads. These are folks who are far more organized than most would suspect, and have pretty sizable control of local & precinct political systems. They just go upwards from there, since one you get the right people into state government, its a lot easier to get the right people into national government, and that's how you get shit like the "Partial Birth Ban" signed into law.

Yeah, that got struck down, but what if your idiot elected representative was there long enough to stack the courts with his own similarly fucked-up nominees?

So don't discount the power of these folks just due to how fucking insane they are.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 12 May 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

A tangentially related article... (who knew that Glamour had an investigative reporter?)

The new lies about women's health
By Brian Alexander
Political groups tell them, the government buys them—and worst of all, your doctor may pass them on to you. Alarmed? You should be.

For the past 15 years, Ruth Shaber, M.D., has been an ob-gyn in San Francisco for Kaiser Permanente, one of the nation's largest health maintenance organizations. She sees all types of women—union members, executives, waitresses. Most of them, Dr. Shaber says, have questions for her, including how to protect themselves from sexually transmitted diseases, how to preserve their fertility, how to prevent breast and cervical cancer and whether the latest Internet health scare they've heard is really true.

Dr. Shaber tries hard to separate fact from fiction because, she says, "rumor and hearsay can start to seem real." In the past, she'd sometimes refer patients to government websites and printed fact sheets, or rely on those outlets to help create her own materials. Not anymore. "As a physician, I can no longer trust government sources," says Dr. Shaber. She is not a political activist or a conspiracy theorist; in addition to her own practice, she's Kaiser Permanente's director of women's health services for northern California and head of the HMO's Women's Health Research Institute. Yet this decidedly mainstream doctor and administrator says, "I no longer trust FDA decisions or materials generated [by the government]. Ten years ago, I would not have had to scrutinize government information. Now I don't feel comfortable giving it to my patients."

Such doctor mistrust represents a major change. For the past 100 years, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has been the world's premier government agency ensuring drug safety. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have similarly stellar track records. But recently, Dr. Shaber charges, the government has lost its most precious asset: credibility.

How did it happen? Many prominent figures in science and public health think they know the answer. "People believe that religiously based social conservatives have direct lines to the powers that be within the U.S. government, the administration, Congress, and are influencing public-health policy, practice and research in ways that are unprecedented and very dangerous," says Judith Auerbach, Ph.D., a former NIH official who is now a vice president at the nonprofit American Foundation for AIDS Research. In fact, Glamour, has found that on issues ranging from STDs to birth control, some radical conservative activists have used fudged and sometimes flatly false data to persuade the government to promote their agenda of abstinence until marriage. The fallout: Young women now read false data on government websites, learn bogus information in federally funded sex-education programs and struggle to get safe, legal contraceptives—all of which, critics argue, may put them at greater risk for unplanned pregnancies and STDs. (article continues at link)

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Friday, 12 May 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

I've never found it hard to get Plan B, they give you an RX and then the pills seconds later. That said it would make it enormously eaiser if if was OTC. Getting an RX in advance is a good idea but it's sad that it's necessary.

That last article is sad. Things are getting so shitty that I can only hope the inevitable backlash comes sooner than later.

Abbott (Abbott), Friday, 12 May 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

Oh it'll come along all right. My own faith, as it were, is in the power of overreaching.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 May 2006 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
wrt the HPV vaccine, yay:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/08/AR2006060800865.html

horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 8 June 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

Good. Thank God.

the reporter makes a mention of the fundie reasoning against this

Inda Blatch-Geib, an Akron, Ohio mother of four, said she'd consider vaccinating her daughters, ages 9 and 16. Blatch-Geib, 41, said doing so wouldn't be tantamount to giving her girls a green light to have sex.

but it's never really been addressed as to why this would be a concern.

Also, the earlier bit in the article has a little twist on the FotF bit, where the group supports the distribution of the stuff, which is new.

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 8 June 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Y'see, it's exactly like buying a pair of jeans! What's the big deal, anyway?

Rape victim denied morning-after pill

Tuesday, July 25, 2006

BY TOM BOWMAN AND DIANA FISHLOCK Of The Patriot-News

LEBANON - A Good Samaritan Hospital emergency room doctor refused to give a rape victim a morning-after pill because he said it was against his Mennonite religion.

Rebuffed by the doctor, the woman called her gynecologist, who wrote the prescription. Her local pharmacy told her it was out of the drug and referred her to a sister store in Reading.

The former medical director of the hospital said he sees nothing strange about asking a woman from eastern Lebanon County to drive to Reading for a drug.

"People drive to Reading to buy jeans. Even if that were the case, that you had to drive to Reading to get this [prescription], to me that does not rise to a compulsion that you have to pass laws that [doctors] have to do something," Dr. Joe Kearns said.

Emergency contraception, often called the morning-after pill, gives a high dosage of birth-control medicine that can prevent pregnancy.

It's a pill that Dr. Martin Gish, the physician who treated the rape victim, said he has prescribed.

"This is an issue I've struggled with for years," Gish said. "My current feeling is life begins at conception, and I feel that anything that interferes with that" causes an abortion.

"The dilemma I have is the whole rape issue: Which side are you more concerned with? Are you more concerned about the mother or the life that was possibly created? That's my dilemma," he said. "I personally don't have this thing worked out. I'm not sure how my faith can line up with my practice at times of what I'm asked to do."

The state backs up his refusal.

Hospitals are not required to prescribe emergency contraception pills, and the state does not keep statistics on how many do, said Richard McGarvey, spokesman for the state Health Department.

"There is a law that says if a hospital chooses not to provide a treatment for religious reasons, they can do that," McGarvey said.

Kearns said a doctor has rights, too.

"The question is, if you are a physician, do you have to provide services to patients that you think are heinous? And the answer is in this country [is] no, you don't," Kearns said.

Jenny Murphy-Shifflet, executive director of the Sexual Assault Resource and Counseling Center of Lebanon County, has her focus on the victims.

She said she has been trying for a year to get Good Samaritan Hospital to require its doctors to write prescriptions for emergency contraceptives.

"No victim should have to run around town after an assault looking for emergency contraceptives," she said.

Most midstate hospitals provide emergency contraception to rape victims, according to the American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania.

"We don't treat it any different than any other legal prescription medication," said Dr. John Repke, chairman of obstetrics and gynecology at the Penn State Milton S. Hershey Medical Center.

But Kearns said Good Samaritan will not formulate a policy for or against prescribing morning-after pills for the same reason it won't perform abortions.

"I'll tell you why we don't do abortions. Because there'd be such a hullabaloo and disruption in this very-Mennonite and very-fundamentalist community that there would be so much downside to this in terms of people not wanting to come to this hospital, even though it's their local hospital," Kearns said. "It's just not worth doing it."

A spokeswoman for the Pennsylvania Coalition Against Rape said that if an attending physician is not comfortable dispensing the medication, he or she could call in someone else.

"Obviously, in incidents like this, we want all victims to have access to comprehensive health care after an emergency," Danielle Sunday said.

A bill proposed in the state House and Senate, known as the Compassionate Assistance for Rape Emergencies Act, would ensure comprehensive medical care, including emergency contraception, for all rape victims, PCAR said.

The woman who reported the rape was emotionally unable to speak to a reporter yesterday, her father said.

Richland police Chief Dennis Morgan said he is investigating her rape, the first in the borough in 27 years.

The woman's father said she was lying on the grass in her front yard in Richland about 2 a.m. when a man stopped to ask directions. She told her father that the man punched her, knocking her unconscious, then raped her while wearing a condom.

The victim waited until later that day to tell her mother about the rape. The mother and daughter drove to Good Samaritan Hospital for treatment but did not ask Gish for the morning-after drug until Saturday, after talking with family members.

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kingfish cyclopean ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

in light of fact that the political stooge currently running the FDA is got dragged before congress for his nomination hearing and to 'splain exactly why the cleared Plan B was barred for OTC sale, here's a nice & well-sourced rundown of the current pro-lifer attacks, which has this nice bit:

And of course there are those who would outlaw abortion except for cases of rape and incest, which is perhaps the position that interests me most, as it's the most transparent -- it makes clear that outlawing abortion isn't about fetal life, but rather about making pregnancy a punishment for women. So if you didn't "do anything" to get yourself pregnant, then you have an out. But if, God forbid, you had sex because you wanted to, then you certainly deserve to deal with the consequences...

kingfish cyclopean ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)


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