Anybody else notice this weird phenomena lately where rightwing commentators, freaking out over Dubya's tanking poll numbers, have now started going on about how Dubya(and Nixon) is actually a liberal since we all know conservativism obviously can't fail so spectacularly.
This goes from Bill Kristol @ the Weekly Standard going on about how the war was bungled terribly but neo-conservatisim is still valid, to Phyllis Schlafly posting screeds entitled Does Feminism Control The Bush Administration?
As others have noted, pointing out that Dubya is not a conservative has been around for at least 2 years(e.g. Pat Buchanan), but it seems a new wrinkle to actually accuse him of being one of those dirty Lib'ruls.
and there's more than a few examples of this
My question is, at what point does the grouping of Cult of Bush completely fracture with that of Conservativism Never Fails? Has it pretty much already happened? What happens when you have two massively authoritarian groups at odds of such narcissistic small differences?
Is this something like when Trotskyites(which many neo-cons apparently started as) or undergrad Marxists go on about how communism hasn't been disproven, since it's never been tried?
Also, will the public outpourings of cognitive dissonance get even more entertaining in the next 5+ months? I mean, we're already at this level, but I think we can do better.
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)
this is it exactly! (though non-leninist marxists have stronger arguments in their favor than non-bushist conservatives, but i digress.)
that, and the fact that in right-wing circles "liberal" is roughly equal to "douchebag" in normal everyday circles.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)
PRESIDENT BUSH IS A CONSERVATIVE politician, not a conservative ideologue. This explains why Bush sometimes does things that aren't conservative. He does so to survive and, if all goes well, to prosper politically. Or he does so because he actually favors some nonconservative policy or position. Conservative politicians are never ideologically pure.
aka, "Please ignore that hagiography I put out a few months ago."
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0385511841.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpgLiberal Fascism : The Totalitarian Temptation from Mussolini to Hillary Clinton (Hardcover)
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)
right, and weren't there other bits not so long ago from these same folks celebrating how the guy had taken more of an "activist" presidency?
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/05/08/david-boaz/where-there-is-no-vision-the-people-perish/
― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)
"Republicans used to accuse Democrats of setting up a nanny state, one that would regulate every nook and cranny of our lives. They took control of Congress in 1994 by declaring that Democrats had given us “government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public's money.” After 10 years in power, however, the Republicans have seen the Democrats’ intrusiveness and raised them.
So from the Republicans we get federal money for churches; and congressional investigations into textbook pricing, the college football bowl system, the firing of Terrell Owens, video games, the television rating system, you name it; and huge new fines for indecency on television; and crackdowns on medical marijuana and steroids and ephedra; and federal intervention in the sad case of Terri Schiavo; and the No Child Left Behind Act; and federal subsidies for marriage; and (for less favored constituencies) a constitutional amendment to override the marriage laws of the 50 states."
― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.thismodernworld.com/blog/Bush-Nixon3.jpg
http://www.thismodernworld.com/blog/Bush-Nixon4.jpg
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)
― pleased to mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)
― DOQQUN (donut), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)
― DOQQUN (donut), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:51 (nineteen years ago)
The whole "Left/Right" thing is inane as it's setup so that the "Right" is everything and anything that is currently not desirable to the Left. This includes but is not limited to: free-market libertarianism, monarchism, fascism, Nazism and some other statist movements. It doesn't go left to right but starts with the left-wing in the center of it all (surprise!) and you automatically become "right" the further you get from the left (no matter the direction that you travel).
― Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:35 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:42 (nineteen years ago)
the same thing could be reveresed for the Right.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:46 (nineteen years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:49 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.willisms.com/archives/presidentialapprovalgraph.gif
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:52 (nineteen years ago)
Nonetheless, the pattern is not uncommon. Partisan political blogs seem to shower attention on polls that show the most dramatic "good news" for their side, and tend to ignore polls showing possibly contradictory results.
which i agree with.
http://www.mysterypollster.com/photos/uncategorized/franklin_job_approval_05072006.jpg
And the post containing that midterm approval graph shown upthread
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:58 (nineteen years ago)
― DOQQUN (donut), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 06:10 (nineteen years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 07:06 (nineteen years ago)
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 07:08 (nineteen years ago)
Well, that's the whole point of an ideology, really. It's sad but I would predict nothing less from any political group. I personally think the problem comes in that everyone thinks there's just two sides. (But there might arguably be just two sides. It probably just isn't "right/left" or "liberal/conservative" or whatever is being used)
Let's look at immigration briefly. The libertarian party's official position is to remove national borders and embrace illegal aliens 100%. Now libertarians are considered by many to be the epitome of "right-wing thinking." By not taking an agressive approach to securing our borders Bush is simultaneously causing discontent among the right-wing Republicans and going in the right-wing direction. He is could be accused of being both too liberal or too conservative on this issue. The problem is there is arguably no objectively "right-wing" position on this in the first place and so you're left with True Scotsman fallacies to decide too much of it. Bush's biggest problem is a general Republican problem, which is articulation.
― Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 07:41 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)
What's the model for preserving or maximizing liberty?
In my practical experience, it usually means "I hate taxes, but not gays".
OK, I'm being somewhat faceteous, here, but I don't think the Republicans are the only ones with an articulation problem, and I don't think articulation is the primary problem of the current Republican party. In fact, I think articulation is way down on the list.
But I do agree that our current left/right thinking is flawed in many ways. And what the hell does "centrist" mean?
― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)
― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)
who is true scotsman? a blogger?
― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 12 May 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)
― Dan (And ROFFLE) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 May 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 May 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)
An army lt. colonel e-mails:
I just read on The Corner, discussion of The Drudge Report headline on the National Guard going to the border.
As the "details" have not been released, I can tell you what the details will be as this is taught in the military law phase of ROTC Cadet instruction.. This is Hurricane Katrina redux.
President Bush can not send National Guard Troops to the border for law enforcement. If the President federalizes the National Guard they no longer can perform law enforcement per the Posse Comitatus Act. They would not be able to lawfully aprehend migrants under a Presidential mobilization.
National Guard Troops can only guard their respective States borders and apprehend migrants only when they are in their own respective State under the control of their respective Governor. This is an extremely small pool of soldiers in just four States. Also, the Guard is not a full time force. They are part time soldiers. An extended deployment on the border will cause many to transfer to the US Army Reserve.
Unfortunately, this is nothing but show.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 May 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)
my question is, how much of the Natl Guard units to be stationed are latino?
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 12 May 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)
http://heathervescent.blogs.com/photos/gigsville2005/thunderdome.JPG
― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 12 May 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)
I guess we'll find who'll rules Bartertown then.
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 12 May 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)
## In December 1981 additional laws were enacted clarifying permissible military assistance to civilian law enforcement agencies—including the Coast Guard—especially in combating drug smuggling into the United States. Posse Comitatus clarifications emphasize supportive and technical assistance (e.g., use of facilities, vessels, aircraft, intelligence, tech aid, surveillance) while generally prohibiting direct participation of Department of Defense personnel in law enforcement (e.g., search, seizure, and arrests). For example, Coast Guard Law Enforcement Detachments (LEDETS) serve aboard Navy vessels and perform the actual boardings of interdicted suspect drug smuggling vessels and, if needed, arrest their crews.
Maybe.
― JW (ex machina), Friday, 12 May 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)
― JW (ex machina), Friday, 12 May 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)
― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 12 May 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)
― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 12 May 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 12 May 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)
― JW (ex machina), Friday, 12 May 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)
Dude, David Usher is spooky.
― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 12 May 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 May 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)
― JW (ex machina), Friday, 12 May 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)
xpost
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 12 May 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 12 May 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)
-- kingfish doesn't live here anymore (jdsalmo...)
This, unfortunately, is a popular opinion. If you ever listen to AM talk radio, the people who call in make the right winger hosts sound reasonable. If someone started the You-Know-What-They-Oughta-Do- About-That?-Well-I'll-Tell-Ya Party they'd probably be our next President.
― ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Saturday, 13 May 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7710/90/1600/Neoconservatives2.jpg
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)
― dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)
and Dubya is now Clintonian, since he's apparently not bombing and torturing enough. Feel free to decode Wm.Kristol's comments about how the "red lines" re: foreign policy are now "pink" and "mauve."
oh yeah, and the cover of the latest ish:
http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Images/Thumbnails/11-41.July17.Cover.small.jpg
― kingfish cyclopean ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)