why are so many people over sensitive about the most vaguely race related comments?

underneath her mattress?

grandmother?

xpost

Just cos they don't say anything doesn't mean they're not offended. I feel quite offended when my co-worker uses the word 'irish' in place of the word 'stupid' but I've not yet said anything because I don't want to cause a big fuss and be labelled as 'oversensitive'.

You glasses-wearing fuckers would say that. Oh wait.

How does whether or not they are African relate in any way to what you're trying to say, if you aren't trying to make a "those people" kind of comment?

Certainly it is descriptive and may just be an adjective thrown in, but it is not clearly as relevant at the "Social worker" bit - since clearly someone trained as a social worker should not be stealing. Therefore the African becomes significant, as it is the only way of distinguishing this social worker from any other. Add this to a long standing racist perception of black people being untrustworth or theiving and you have a comment which could be considered racist.

Now of course your contention could be that their Africaness is important, and is indeed the cause of their theivery - which would be a very essentialist line on human behaviour. But the power of a statement is not just in your intentions, but what others read into it. If others read that you were say "All black people are theives", and that is not what you meant, then it behooves you to consider how such a misunderstand could come out of your words. If that is what you meant however, you are clearly a racist.

what if this is the real Robin Hood type shit?

its not my thread but i thought your cuntish face would make a showing.

We're sitting around the campfire passing around the square bottle, telling stories. Bottle gets to, let's call him Special Ed, and he zips off a Jew joke. He's got this look in his eye that says, "I know this is going to piss you off." You know, a real loaded smirk.

A bunch of us groan. Somebody calls out Special Ed for his bullshit, and he goes into the predictable PC rant. He was being pretty genuine, though, and we were all friends. His best friend, Let's call him AP, was there, and AP is black. AP is used to his shit (Special Ed is kinda like AP's little buddy, like the little dog running around asking what are we going to do what are we going to do), and somehow, for reasons that don't make a lot of sense but we all kind of understand, this diffuses the situation. AP just shakes his head and says something condescending and punches Special Ed in the shoulder. Special Ed laughs because this is their relationship.

So I take a shot at the PC thing. I start explaining how I think the concept of "Political Correctness" is bullshit, and go into the origins of the term. I hate it when people are all hair-trigger sensitive too. But I explain why racist commentary has negative effects. I go into the history of racism a little. I talk about how I believe language has meaning and power and is the stuff of our souls. I am eloquent, or at least I am Jack Daniels eloquent, and that was just fine, because at this point at the evening I had a Jack Daniels audience.

So Special Ed says OK I hear you, but. And then he launches into a stream of racist jokes. Irish, Polish, Jew, Black. We are all rolling on the ground laughing. AP has his hand on Special Ed's shoulder and he is laughing too, so hard, he's crying.

Special Ed says, "see, they're funny." And AP says, "No, dude, those jokes suck, it's just that you're so earnest." And that was so right on the mark we all doubled over again, laughing until we were panting and wiping the tears from our eyes.

And Special Ed laughed a little too, but mostly he seemed to sober up a little. And because he was such a cool guy and because we were all friends, he took it to heart a little and got a little wiser. At least he understood that we weren't a bunch of PC whiners.

So my point here is that Special Ed was a friend amongst friends, and I don't know who the fuck you are. And I am so tired of fucking whiny white boys bitching about PC every time they want to say something racist, esopecially when it's meant to provoke a reaction. I mean you know that you would never think to ever say, "WHITE social workers who are sent to help my grandmother but can usually be relied on to borrow a small tip or two from underneath her mattress." You fucking know you wouldn't make that distinction. So fuck you, you stupid whiny racist bitch.

I mean, the whole point of your message that making fun of race is not OK is a bit soured by your making fun of the handicapped/differently abled.

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You missed that he said "bitch" too. It is compulsory to derail racist threads with references to black people saying bitch and ho.

Who made such a reference? I call guys bitches when I get heated. This is pretty common, no?

Relax. I'm only fucking around making the thread go where it's going to end up anyway.

Are white people who say "I don't like hip hop" yet listen to it when white people make it really saying "i don't like black people"?

You are right, in that my Special Ed comment was insensitive, but my message wasn't that "making fun of race is not OK." I mean, I think we can all agree on that. I don't even presuppose that jameslatimerlewis thinks making fun of race is OK.

The point of my story is that there exist white boys who make racist comments, maybe slight and maybe not necessarily malicious, but obviously loaded, who want to play dumb and protect themselves by deflaiting criticism of said comments by accusing their critics of being overly sensitive PC fanatics, who whine about their persecution, and that these extant white boys are completely full of shit and no matter how much they whine or roll their eyes, they are stupid fucking little dick-heads (there, I didn't say bitch).

Furthermore, when these said white boys set up their comments in advance with whining about their inevitable persecution by the PC crowd, they are being pointedly mendacious.

I was hoping that at the end of the story, you all beat Special Ed to death and hid his body in a cave.

Learn to embellish, Binky.

You really should have, I could look at that gay pornstache forever.

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who are sent to help my grandmother
What kind of "help" are we talking about, here? Delivering a meal, cleaning, emptying bedpans... this is pretty vague.

but can usually be relied on to borrow
Since when is "borrow" a polite euphemism for "steal?" If they're doing a criminal act, say steal. It's a lot clearer and much less of a lame move.

a small tip or two from underneath her mattress
What's this "tip" thing, is it another effort to be witty and downplay theft? So it's such a paltry concern that we'll be polite and "ignore" it by posting about it on the interweb?
So your grandmother saves her money under the mattress? Has she ever thought of, I don't know, a bank? I know old people distrust banks (STEREOTYPES AHOY) but maybe that'd be a better choice. Or in a purse or home safe, I hear those are popular.

Why does this matter?

uh, as long as said upper middle class white women receiving a university education still have to worry about walking alone on campus at night...and have near-zero chance of seing a fellow woman being elected to the highest political office in the u.s., then i think their "pc" gripes concerning being oppressed are valid.

??
does not compute.

women are genuinely victims of oppression; i don't see how one can argue otherwise. all sorts of different groups have historically been oppressed. i don't see it as being some sort of victimization contest.

yeah, so you're saying that it's like some kind of contest, and only those who are oppressed mostest of all have any business stating their case?

xpost, the point is (unfounded) worries about safety in college and lack of lack of politcal gravitas aren't a big deal. Eat shit

I don't understand what this proves about your point.

Myth: Most rapes occur in dark alleys, or to hitchhikers.
Fact: Over 33% of rapes occur after an assailant has forced entry into a home; Over 50% of rapes occur in a residence.

Myth: The greatest danger is from a stranger.
Fact: Most rapes, 50 to 80%, are committed by someone the victim knows.

there's a 50% to 80% chance **IF** THEY WERE RAPED it would be by someone they know!

easy for a guy to say, i guess. walk a mile in ladyshoes. the doj stats you linked to are small comfort if you're a woman.

female friends tell me about getting hassled quite frequently when they are walking by themselves. people exploit what they see as women's vulnerability. regardless of whether a sexual assault occcurs or not, it's still gotta be all kinds of unnerving.

as for the myths/facts
...rapes occur in a residence residence=college dorms, for one
someone the victim knows=classmate at school, daterape etc.

PERCEIVED LACK OF PHYSICAL SAFETY MOSTLY A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT!

as for the myths/facts
...rapes occur in a residence residence=college dorms, for one
someone the victim knows=classmate at school, daterape etc.

STAY SAFE; STAY IN THE ALLEY!!!!!

according to the women i know, it's the sad result of personal experiences. but i guess they are all hysterical females.

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