Plan B is cleared, americans celebrate with promiscuous sex, statutory rape

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Funny timing, too, wot with this happening during Dubya's fundie nomination hearings:

The FDA's long delay in deciding on Barr's application ensnared
President Bush's nominee to head the regulatory agency, Dr. Andrew von Eschenbach. On Thursday, two senators said they would lift their block on his nomination, making it likely he will win confirmation as FDA chief, perhaps next month.

However, dig this catch:

The Food and Drug Administration said women 18 and older — and men purchasing for their partners — may buy the Plan B pills without a doctor's note, but only from pharmacies.

So the whole bullshit over pharmacists not wanting to be pharmacists is still in operation.

Oh yeah, and batshit fundies gotta get their word in, too:

But opponent Wendy Wright, president of Concerned Women for America, said Plan B's wider availability could give women a false sense of security, since it isn't as effective as regular birth control. Wright also worries that adult men who have sex with minor girls could force the pills upon them.
"Statutory rape is a very serious problem. This decision is going to allow statutory rapists to rely on this drug to cover up their abuse," Wright said.

― kingfish high command (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 24 August 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Wendy Wright you are weird.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 24 August 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

At least it means that the rapists won't throw the baby out with the bathwater and dispose of the child along with the evidence, eh?

― Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 24 August 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

Wendy Wright is also amazing! How did she manage to say all of that with her head up her ass?

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 August 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

Sign language.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 24 August 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

But opponent Wendy Wright, president of Concerned Women for America, said Plan B's wider availability could give women a false sense of security, since it isn't as effective as regular birth control.

Uh oh. Sounds like it's time again for MORE SEX EDUCATION.

Wright also worries that adult men who have sex with minor girls could force the pills upon them.

Wright also advocates banning the sale of claw hammers, since they could inflict some very nasty head wounds.

― always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Thursday, 24 August 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

How does she feel about chicken shears?

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 August 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

Intimidated.

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Thursday, 24 August 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

own head up ass = best contraceptive yet

― Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 24 August 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

Wright also worries that adult men who have sex with minor girls could force the pills upon them.

does Plan B have any adverse inteactions with Rohypnol? (asking for a friend)

― mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Thursday, 24 August 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

Girls Gone Wild: The Day After

― (so sorry) (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 August 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

own head up ass = best contraceptive yet

Her personality and intellectual level seem remarkably contraceptive to me.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 24 August 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

If you like her comments here, check the "War on Contraception" thread I started a few months ago. Plenty of head-bashing lolz on there, too.

― kingfish high command (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 24 August 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't Wendy Wright the girl from Maniac Mansion?

― christopherscottknudsen (christopherscottknudsen), Sunday, 27 August 2006 04:30 (nineteen years ago)

unfortunately not. Remember that most of these folks raising all the bullshit noise are the same type who are trying to block the HPV vaccine from being issued to junior high kids, since they claim that stopping cervical cancer is "promoting promiscuity"...

― kingfish high command (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 27 August 2006 04:49 (nineteen years ago)

IOW, the people from Maniac Mansion?

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Sunday, 27 August 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

five months pass...

Texas Gov. Rick Perry did the right thing and signed into law a requirement for HPV vaccines.

"Providing the HPV vaccine doesn't promote sexual promiscuity any more than providing the Hepatitis B vaccine promotes drug use," Perry said in a statement. "If the medical community developed a vaccine for lung cancer, would the same critics oppose it claiming it would encourage smoking?"

[...]

Perry also directed state health authorities to make the vaccine available free to girls ages 9 to 18 who are uninsured or whose insurance does not cover vaccines. And he ordered Medicaid to offer Gardasil to women ages 19 to 21.

Predictably, the rest of the Texas GOP is going apeshit, trying to block this, stall it out as much as possible, etc.

― kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 18:12 (eighteen years ago)

"If the medical community developed a vaccine for lung cancer, would the same critics oppose it claiming it would encourage smoking?"

You know, I haven't thought much about Perry but that's brilliant.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 18:14 (eighteen years ago)

I dunno. Administering a Hepatitis B vaccine doesn't encourage drug use (just as administering an HPV vaccine doesn't encourage promiscuity) because there are other possible drawbacks to drug use and sexual promiscuity. So I agree with Perry about those things.

But it seems to me that the major downside of smoking is what it does to your health. If people didn't have to worry about health problems, they might smoke more.

But that doesn't really matter. He still makes a very good point overall.

― Nathan P1p (hoyanathan), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 18:33 (eighteen years ago)

My only complaint about this whole thing is that it's pretty obvious that Perry is in Merck's hip pocket and thus doing this for reasons less morally stellar than the ones he's citing above. But it's still probably good that it's getting done so I can't bitch too much.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 18:37 (eighteen years ago)

But it seems to me that the major downside of smoking is what it does to your health. If people didn't have to worry about health problems, they might smoke more.

This is pretty silly, there are other side-effects to smoking than the lung cancer and most people I know who quit/are quitting haven't given lung cancer much of a second thought (ie shit that happens to you when you are 70 seems a lot less an immediate threat than rising prices, developing smoker's cough, increased bans of indoor smoking, getting shitty skin, etc!).

I mean, yes, it is basically an equitable metaphor, but more importantly, YES THERE WOULD BE PEOPLE AGAINST A CANCER VACCINE FOR THOSE REASONS BECAUSE THERE ARE BATSHIT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD?? As evidenced by the legislators trying to hold this up? It's a strange question to ask because the answer is clearly yes, there would be a group of people against a cancer vaccine.

― Allyzay doesnt get into the monkeys or vindications (allyzay), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

Um Ally all of those are health problems.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:14 (eighteen years ago)

Oh wait I see Perry's metaphor above only refers to lung cancer so nevermind. I was just looking at Nathan's response.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

In that case, I guess I can only speak for myself. I've always stayed away from cigarettes because I don't want to get lung (or any other kind of) cancer - the other factors aren't the reasons that I don't smoke.

― Nathan P1p (hoyanathan), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:23 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I think the reason why people who don't EVER smoke don't smoke is usually fear of long term health issues (like lung cancer) but as Ally sez the reason why people who do smoke quit smoking is generally for short-term reasons (that is true for myself and everyone I know anyway.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

It does my head in to think about the moral logic behind the conservative viewpoint on this.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)

ain't necessarily logic doing this. there's the old line that you can reason a man out of a position he never reasoned himself into.

― kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:27 (eighteen years ago)

In revolutionary war times when insurance companies were first formed, there were a whole bunch of people who thought insurance contravened God's will by saving those He chose to smite.

― Bnad (Bnad), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:39 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, there were still people saying things like that at my childhood church.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

oh beautiful, for spacious skys

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

er skies

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

in america we spell good too

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:49 (eighteen years ago)

I got my first shot o' the Gardasil the other day and I am so happy! It isn't making me fuck crazy tho. I adore vaccines and all who have ever made them. If there was a church for Dr. Jenner I'd attend the hell out of it.

― Abbott (Abbott), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)

Speaking of, whatever happened to quincie?

― Abbott (Abbott), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 20:32 (eighteen years ago)

Is being against the HPV vaccine a mainstream "conservative" stance? It seemed like the "Republicans against cancer vaccine" thing was more wishful thinking on the part of Democrats. Who wouldn't want to run against that?

― Chris H. (chrisherbert), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:16 (eighteen years ago)

this thread might have some more info w.r.t. that

― kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:29 (eighteen years ago)

"Several key Republicans urged Gov. Rick Perry on Monday to rescind his executive order making Texas the first state to require girls to be vaccinated against the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer."

Not saying that's it's a "mainstream" conservative stance, I'm just saying the critics have some 'splaining to do.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:35 (eighteen years ago)

"Is being against the HPV vaccine a mainstream "conservative" stance?"

Uh yeah that's a pretty mainstream viewpoint for hardline conservatives.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:35 (eighteen years ago)

Nah, I don't think so. Being against Plan B, especially OTC, definitely is, but most even Focus on the Family has been pretty positive about the HPV vaccine (from their website: "Vaccines to prevent HPV have been in development for many years and represent a tremendous breakthrough in science that will likely save millions of women’s lives around the world."). I used them as an example because I've read articles saying they were "against the vaccine."

― Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

I think their stance was against requiring it, which kinda misses the point.

― kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

Being against it and against requiring it are pretty different, though the texas law would have a religious/philsophical exemption...which means it's not really "required." I guess the idea is to get 90-ish percent of the kids vaccinated, which is probably enough to eliminate HPV as a widespread problem.

― Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

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