to what degree does al qaeda actually exist?

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is there really any kind of functioning organization of international Islamic terrorists with a centralized leadership calling the shots, or is it all pretty much freestyle? Are there any good recent articles about this that anyone could recommend?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 26 January 2007 22:52 (eighteen years ago)

Probably a self-sustaining myth. (In the views of both supporters and detractors.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 January 2007 22:54 (eighteen years ago)

http://zone.artizans.com/images/previews/MAT584.300.jpg

dar1a g (daria g), Friday, 26 January 2007 22:58 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

and what (ooo), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:00 (eighteen years ago)

I thought the entire point behind the organization of groups like Al Queda was that they were decentralizied coalitions with similar aims and some amount of cross-pollination in terms of funding but no strong, direct ties?

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:00 (eighteen years ago)

i dunno about al qaeda, but i do know "the mafia" is a myth

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

my uncle vito says so

latebloomerelli (latebloomer), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:02 (eighteen years ago)

listening to "power of nightmares" now. interesting.

I thought the entire point behind the organization of groups like Al Queda was that they were decentralizied coalitions with similar aims and some amount of cross-pollination in terms of funding but no strong, direct ties?

does it even exist in this sense, though?

if so, can anyone be al qaeda by deciding they are al qaeda? and wouldn't that make it a completely subjective and essentially meaningless identification?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:14 (eighteen years ago)

I thought the entire point behind the organization of groups like Al QuedaWIKIPEDIA was that they were decentralizied coalitions with similar aims and some amount of cross-pollination in terms of funding but no strong, direct ties?

UART variations (ex machina), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:17 (eighteen years ago)

I hear they have a website

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:18 (eighteen years ago)

to what degree does al qaeda actually exist?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:23 (eighteen years ago)

wouldn't that make it a completely subjective and essentially meaningless identification?

Not meaningless. Aligning yourself with a cause means becoming part of that cause, whether they hand out membership badges or not.

God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:28 (eighteen years ago)

right, poor choice of words...

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:29 (eighteen years ago)

I was thinking specifically of stuff like the Luther Blissett project, where you join up more or less by choosing to adopt the name. I thought al qaeda was supposed to be a bit more structured than that, though, or is this just counter-propaganda?

God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:33 (eighteen years ago)

i guess al qaeda's strength in reality and as propaganda for both sides is making it impossible to answer this thread's question (as dan and ned kinda said already)

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:35 (eighteen years ago)

My understanding is that Al Queda has a couple of levels. There is one level that is comprised of people who went through the same training camps and actually have some kind of connection to the leadership types. Then there is the secondary level, which are groups that prescribe to the ideology and have assumed the name.

It seems that the first level is shrinking and the second level is growing. But I doubt anyone really knows.

Super Cub (Debito), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

does admitting that Al Qaeda's centralized leadership& shared resources are minimal or nonexistant does mean that you also have to admit that its capabilities are also likely less of a threat - or am I making a leap of logic here?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:42 (eighteen years ago)

any lessening threat would have to be balanced against the widespread influence of the group's rhetoric and the possible blowback from the war.

roger goodell (gear), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

all i keep reading is that al qaeda was pretty much wiped out after afghanistan. they they really did a good job of snuffing out the whole group. they can't get money, all their key people are either dead or captured, etc, etc.

it's amazing when you hear about how much iran helped out with the whole afghanistan thing. the whole world was in love.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:46 (eighteen years ago)

ASK HIM

http://www.biografiasyvidas.com/biografia/d/fotos/descartes.jpg

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:47 (eighteen years ago)

i think, therefore al qaeda?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:50 (eighteen years ago)

Poor Descartes didn't photograph well.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 27 January 2007 00:43 (eighteen years ago)

120 degrees..http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/thelede/posts/0126heat.jpg The military’s “active denial system” is capable of throwing a beam of invisible heat at unruly targets, heating their skin and making them scatter. (Photo: Department of Defense)

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Saturday, 27 January 2007 00:55 (eighteen years ago)

Al-Q was heavily decimated by 2002 or so.

then we wandered away and they started coming back, and thus we have afghanistan as it currently is.

kingfish moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 27 January 2007 01:09 (eighteen years ago)

yah, a heavy presence in afghanistan from 2002 on and especially on the pakistan border would have completely shut them down. but then there was that whole iraq thing i keep reading about...

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 27 January 2007 01:17 (eighteen years ago)

What's the death ray made out of? It's a pretty damn large target for a contingent of soldiers with AKs.

milo z (mlp), Saturday, 27 January 2007 01:28 (eighteen years ago)

My understanding is that Al Queda has a couple of levels. There is one level that is comprised of people who went through the same training camps and actually have some kind of connection to the leadership types. Then there is the secondary level, which are groups that prescribe to the ideology and have assumed the name.

It's kind of like how there are Starbucks stores and then there are those Barnes & Nobles and random delis that serve Starbucks coffee.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 27 January 2007 01:32 (eighteen years ago)

there was just a story on the death ray in the paper! it's insane. it doesn't kill people though. it just makes them feel like they are on fire inside and out. it's mostly supposed to be for protesters and people you don't want to kill at the moment.


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scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 27 January 2007 01:34 (eighteen years ago)

Former coach reaches deal in child porn case
By The Associated Press
Friday, Jan 26, 2007 - 09:12:12 am CST
PAPILLION— A former Millard youth football coach who says he accidentally handed out sign-up fliers with child pornography on them reached a plea deal with prosecutors Thursday.

James Miller, 34, pleaded guilty in Sarpy County District Court to five counts of possession of child pornography.

District Judge David Arterburn dismissed the remaining 91 counts at the
prosecution’s request. Miller, who was a youth football coach in the Millard
Athletic Association, was confronted in July by a parent and another coach about images on some fliers.

Miller allegedly told the parent he had been looking at child pornography on his computer and accidentally printed explicit images on the reverse side of some of the fliers. The sign-up was for a football camp for boys 12 to 14 years old.

Each count of possession of child pornography is punishable by up to five years in prison. Sentencing was set for April 6.

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Saturday, 27 January 2007 03:20 (eighteen years ago)

NICE MOVE COACH BONEHEAD!

Why is that on this thread again?

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 27 January 2007 03:21 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha! yeah, really. but anyway: NICE MOVE COACH BONEHEAD!

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 27 January 2007 03:23 (eighteen years ago)

Al exists, yea. He lives in Boca Raton.

A knife to his wife Eve and his credibility. (goodbra), Saturday, 27 January 2007 04:37 (eighteen years ago)

That reminds me of how the owner of a little French cafe in NJ told me that during the early days of the Iraq war people would ride by her place and yell stuff like "Go back to France!" and worse. She's Vietnamese, and she met her husband while he was serving in Vietnam in the U.S. Army.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 27 January 2007 04:48 (eighteen years ago)

i have no knowledge to contribute to this at all, but this article from al-jazeera seems relevant:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/23E2EB3C-7B4F-4447-80CD-26EDAFEF18E8.htm

An Islamic group in Algeria has changed its name to al-Qaeda after getting the approval of Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda leader, according to a statement posted on the internet.

The move on Friday by the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC) marked the latest attempt by Islamic groups exploiting the ‘al-Qaeda’ brand name and follows the establishment of regional branches in Saudi Arabia and Iraq.

The GSPC, a strong opponent of Algeria’s secular government, said it was adopting the name al-Qaeda organisation in the Islamic Maghreb.

“We had wished to do this from the first day we joined [al-Qaeda] but we wanted the permission of Sheikh Osama, may God protect him. This obstacle has now been removed,” the statement, which was signed by the GSPC and dated January 24, said.

critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Saturday, 27 January 2007 08:04 (eighteen years ago)

i wonder if there's a franchise fee.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 27 January 2007 08:25 (eighteen years ago)

five years pass...

In the summer of 2009 the two brothers designed a clever and macabre plot that came very close to what would have been a devastating blow. The younger brother, Abdullah, traveled to the Saudi border to pose as a defector to Prince Muhammad bin Nayif, the chief of Saudi Arabia’s counterterrorism agency. Abdullah had passed through security by putting a small bomb—designed by his brother—up his rectum. The prince allowed him into his study and embraced him. Moments later, Abdullah’s cell phone rang, and the detonator fired. “Abdullah’s body absorbed most of the blast as the explosion went straight up, separating his head from his body and blowing a blood-spattered hole in the roof,” Johnsen writes. “Somehow bin Nayif, who had been standing less than a yard away from Abdullah, survived the blast.”

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/dec/06/jihadis-yemen/

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 21 December 2012 18:03 (thirteen years ago)

clever ass bomb, guys

johnny crunch, Friday, 21 December 2012 18:17 (thirteen years ago)

do unsuccessful suicide bombers still get to ascend to paradise

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 21 December 2012 18:19 (thirteen years ago)

just the same as all the others do

Aimless, Friday, 21 December 2012 19:10 (thirteen years ago)

doesn't that strike you as an incentive problem? nobody would run an investment bank on that basis

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 21 December 2012 20:08 (thirteen years ago)

not every investment generates big returns. sometimes they blow up on you.

Aimless, Friday, 21 December 2012 23:09 (thirteen years ago)


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