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'fun' has come up multiple times lately as a justification for something - on the makeup thread, on the slutty clothing in videos thread, on the avril lavigne thread, and other places. (maybe 'justification' is the wrong word for it.) what do you think of this as a tactic? how often does it work? why do people use it? is it right (or valid)?

― Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 13:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Cor, lighten up Josh.

― Graham (graham), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 13:50 (twenty-three years ago)

"Just a bit of fun"

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 13:51 (twenty-three years ago)

"I don't need anything that you call fun / it doesn't seem like fun to me" - Rodney Allen

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 13:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Good fun thing:
Fun bags

Bad fun things:
Fun pubs

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 13:53 (twenty-three years ago)

it has an element of incorrigibility to it, probably because whether or not something is fun is supposed to be a matter of personal taste. so maybe it seems funny to me when people invoke 'fun' because they often seem to do it in the face of real problems in order to avoid having to work through those problems in an argument. so if everyone seems to be at least suspect that there's something up with liking to watch barely legal young women gyrating half-naked on TV, or that there's a power imbalance at work when women have to make up their faces just to look 'normal', 'it's fun' acts like a 'fuck you - I know about the problems and they don't apply to me.' this isn't to say that it isn't on some basic level enjoyable to look at tremendously sexy whores in videos, or that it's not fun to wear make up. but 'fun' seems like a discussion-stopper meant to avoid thinking about sensitive problems.

― Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 13:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Good fun:
Fun Boy Three

Bad fun:
Fun Lovin' Criminals

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 13:56 (twenty-three years ago)

'fun' seems acceptable when it's JUST a matter of taste, so liking the ramones for 'fun' is fine. but once the situation has a moral element to it - like liking eminem or not - 'fun' sounds lame.

― Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 13:58 (twenty-three years ago)

this isn't to say that it isn't on some basic level enjoyable to look at tremendously sexy whores in videos
I love you Josh - you're fun.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 13:59 (twenty-three years ago)

How is the question of liking the Ramones or not lacking a moral element?

― RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:01 (twenty-three years ago)

made-up ad hoc example, please ignore possible ineptness of it. really I think that liking anything probably has a moral element to it, but for some things (ok maybe not the ramones), we don't think it's that important at all. compare to 'liking to eat apples' vs 'liking to be a rapist'.

― Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Are you comparing the Ramones with apples?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought they were more orange like

― RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:20 (twenty-three years ago)

COR you mind-meldy lot, i have just been listening to the Ramones! hehe ROCK ROCK ROCK N ROLL HIGH SCHOOL!

― katie (katie), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry, that was unnecessary and rather snottily pedantic of me (the moral bit, not the orange bit). I do get what you're getting at, and how it ties into the 'just a bit of fun' syndrome as described by N. and Tom in the linked thread.

― RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Yay Ktee! :-) rather you than dull old yellow Josh any day!

― Emmanuel Goldstein, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Classic: Inner City 'Big Fun'

Dud: Big Fun

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Bah! in my day we went to war!!! oh wait...

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:35 (twenty-three years ago)

london nites when the party dies and the fever drives you wild

― ah ah ah wanna get up to yooou, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:37 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah and look how they ended up.

― Emmanuel Goldstein, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Did anyone else here find the word 'fun' ridiculously exotic or perhaps the exclusive prerserve of spanners when they were learning to read and Janet and John kept saying it?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:42 (twenty-three years ago)

It's a funny word. The more you say it the more weird it sounds. That is why Brian Wilson went mad in the 1960s.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:43 (twenty-three years ago)

also aside from people saying it when they seem to know they won't be taken seriously ('I just knocked over that liquor store for fun'), people seem to say it when their ability to act otherwise is compromised somehow, e.g. by being socialized a certain way.

― Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 15:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Hm...so it's both a cop-out and a justification for copping out, potentially?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 20:54 (twenty-three years ago)

nothing is ever "just fun", theres always reasons WHY it is fun. saying something is fun is about as insightful as a child saying "i played on the swing, i liked it".

― di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmm. I suppose we object to fun as a justification primarily when we also feel that this fun is at the expense of someone else.

If the Christina video is good because it's "fun" some people are going to be offended by that IF they believe that it's fun only at the expense of other women.

If I say make-up is okay because it's "fun" but then some other people think that I'm being selfish because I'm complying with traditional standards of beauty that undermine their freedoms - then, ok, perhaps there is a point there.

I suppose it's all a matter of reasonable limits and degree of cause?

― Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)

hmmm...but that begs the question how does one define a "moral element"? What is the real difference between "liking to eat apples" and "liking to be a rapist" and "liking polygamy" and "liking racist jokes"? Is there a difference?

― , Tuesday, 8 October 2002 22:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Can I be the first person to kick Prometheus in the nuts? Please?

(Yes, I have been drinking.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)

"why do you have to hate what you don't understand?"
"I don't hate you, bobby."
"I was talking about thinking."

― Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 22:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Go on Dan, it'll be fun!

― Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 23:00 (twenty-three years ago)

will it be fun? is there a moral issue here? ;-)

― , Tuesday, 8 October 2002 23:51 (twenty-three years ago)

i always wondered whatit would feel like to "be a man"...

― , Tuesday, 8 October 2002 23:52 (twenty-three years ago)

josh, are you projecting your anti-clown classism again? Sad Clown Porn is FUN, not scary.

― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 02:51 (twenty-three years ago)

how would you tell a clown pornographic film actor that she is being degraded by the patriarchy? some of them are doing it intentionally you know.

― Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 03:15 (twenty-three years ago)

did you mean to post that here?

― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 03:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not sure if being an alternate ending deadens enough of the fun or not so no no I did not

― Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 03:21 (twenty-three years ago)

i musta hit a nerve. OOOPS!

― di smith (lucylurex), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 08:07 (twenty-three years ago)

whatta straight man giver a hand folx!

― Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)

b-b-but it was fun!

― di smith (lucylurex), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 21:41 (twenty-three years ago)

everybody "wang chung" tonight.

― di smith (lucylurex), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 22:01 (twenty-three years ago)

seven years pass...

http://i39.tinypic.com/21eqcud.jpg

― turkeylurkeyknull, Saturday, 27 March 2010 09:30 (fifteen years ago)

eight years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKKMB9vRkIg

― del griffith, Monday, 4 June 2018 23:37 (seven years ago)

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