Yeah we've done it before but things have changed. I said Alex in NYC back then but he likes loads of pop now. Also I've got a bit of an empty afternoon and need entertaining.
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 13:42 (twenty-three years ago)
― zebedee (Jeff W), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 13:46 (twenty-three years ago)
Er, probably Tim F. off the top of my head. One of the rockists is worst.
― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 13:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 13:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 13:52 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:03 (twenty-three years ago)
That said, the only person I can think of who's posted here repeatedly and exhibited abhorrent musical taste is that one guy who kept posting anti-rap stuff to the "rock vs rap" thread and also started a thread about how horrible Stevie Wonder was. I forget his alias, but it was something preposterous and stupid.
― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:08 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:12 (twenty-three years ago)
howevah, "I've got a bit of an empty afternoon" = send snotty e-mails to 102 pt.2 defaulters, surely?
― Jeff W (Jeff W), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:15 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:19 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:20 (twenty-three years ago)
― luke (luke), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:35 (twenty-three years ago)
But also Gareth, Omar, Michael W and Michael B.
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:38 (twenty-three years ago)
Maybe taste is like the wind & tide, and the listener is like a castaway clutching to a bit of flotsam - sometimes it'll wash you up on the beach of a gaugin island full of exotic fruits and babes, sometimes it will dash you on the rocks, sometimes it just takes you home, sometimes it takes you further and further out to sea.
it's kind of an external force shaped by random experience and neurological quirks - so if a writer tells me a little bit about why something hits them hard as a person it means more than outlining a series of logical rules about why something must be good. Or if they can at least acknowledge that their logical system is their own, not something immutable.
is this a bunch of hippy crap?
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:39 (twenty-three years ago)
Actually, in my short time here, I've found that Nate Patrin has rather "good" (as in "similar-to-mine") taste in music...maybe I've still got that TS: Jimi Hendrix/Eddie Hazel thread stuck in my mind though. :D
Of coruse, it should be noted I've been here a rather short amount of time.
― nickalicious, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:39 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:49 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:52 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:54 (twenty-three years ago)
In general I often agree with Mark@Pitchfork and David Raposa. I also like a lot of stuff Josh likes though there is a lot I don't (The Plan e.g.) and a lot I don't know. A lot of the indie Kate is/was into, I am into as well. Especially the droney stuff. Concerning Americana I rather trust bnw. Dan's comments on New Order and The Cure (with exceptions, eg The Top) are often OTM. For the postpunk/new wave years 1977-83 Dr.C is my guide though in general our tastes are rather diametric. And I occasionally agree with you, Tom concerning some UK indie, eg Wedding Present and Jesus and Mary Chain.
Others but I am not 100% sure: Sean Carruthers, Nitsuh, Sundar, Jody Beth.
And I still don't know what Mark S likes except MMM (or is that irony?).
― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:56 (twenty-three years ago)
Oooh... okay, I'll take the bait.
Why does liking pop/r'n'b/hip-hop imply having "good taste", and why does liking rock/indie imply "bad taste"?
The person with the best taste is the person who's taste most corresponds to mine - I like virtually all the records in Ronan's singles list and only a few of the records in Tim Finney's list. Does that mean Tim has worse taste? Probably not.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 14:59 (twenty-three years ago)
― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:03 (twenty-three years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:08 (twenty-three years ago)
The person with the best taste is the person who's taste most corresponds to mine
Your second sentence answers your first Matt! ;) I don't think I've ever tried to claim taste is anything other than subjective.
Also back then I singled out Alex in NYC because even within the areas he did like I thought he liked some awful bands. Anyway it's not quite along those lines. Alex in NYC has (crudely) moved from saying "all pop is awful" to "nearly all pop is awful but I appreciate a good pop record when I hear it dammit", which is a shift in taste no matter what the dismissed genre was. All the people I mentioned as having particularly good taste like some indie (except maybe d k) and rock (except Tim).
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:10 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:12 (twenty-three years ago)
in the sense of sensible filters, i have terrible taste: i like almost everything, and i like liking things => apart from a tiny number of more or less "token" dislikes (=U2 haha), even ppl I am really quite critical of (=the Clash/the Jam/Van Morrison) have made records I very much like. There are records I am a bit baffled by other's love for — Perfect Teeth and Imperial ffrr — and projects who get what seems to me free-pass approval from weak reasons (Fishbone? but really I only know a couple of their LPs and they seem also to be ones disliked by Fishbone aficionados).
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:16 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)
I can confirm this.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:27 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:35 (twenty-three years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:38 (twenty-three years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:41 (twenty-three years ago)
― geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:43 (twenty-three years ago)
Worst taste is predictable taste so genre-huggers of all descriptions can go in that bucket...
― Jacob, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)
I like people with predictable taste. I think the Pinefox has good taste within the area of music he's chosen to listen to, for instance.
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:49 (twenty-three years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:51 (twenty-three years ago)
I haven't really thought about this too much since the last one, and I think most of the people who contribute regularly are great to read, whether I agree or not. In a pinch I'd probably say Andy K and Dan P and def arthur (returning the favour from last go around). Probably markp too. I'd say Ned, because he seems to be most like me from a likes/dislikes perspective, but his stubborn refusal to admit that some of my favourite bands aren't trash sort of scratches that. ;)
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:53 (twenty-three years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)
― Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)
Ronan - "outlook on music" boils down to "what you want from music" I guess. I look for sonic surprise, good times, immediate impact, wit and novelty. I used to look for emotional impact much more than I do now. I've never looked for technical complexity and somebody who did would probably think I had pretty rotten taste. etc etc
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 16:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 16:03 (twenty-three years ago)
― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 16:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)
It's not that I *SUDDENLY* developed a liking for pop, it's that you all immediately assumed that I *ONLY* liked certain things and didn't credit me with having broader tastes.....you thankless pop fascists!
Beyond that, "taste" is all relative. I might think Julio has indefensibly abysmal tastes, but that's only based on patently ridiculous statements he's made in the past ("I don't care either way because the ramones were shit.") But, ultimately, what's treasure to one person might be sewage to someone else. All's fair (although saying the Ramones are shit immediately robs one of any/all credibility.)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)
― keith (keithmcl), Monday, 30 December 2002 18:06 (twenty-three years ago)
― original bgm, Monday, 30 December 2002 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)
Tom - is that me? And, do you dislike me, or my writing?
― dwh (dwh), Sunday, 5 January 2003 20:53 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 5 January 2003 21:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 January 2003 22:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 5 January 2003 23:21 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 5 January 2003 23:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 5 January 2003 23:56 (twenty-three years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 6 January 2003 08:33 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 6 January 2003 10:33 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 6 January 2003 10:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 6 January 2003 11:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― dwh (dwh), Monday, 6 January 2003 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 6 January 2003 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)
― Curtis Stephens, Monday, 6 January 2003 16:37 (twenty-three years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 6 January 2003 16:39 (twenty-three years ago)
― michael wells (michael w.), Monday, 6 January 2003 16:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― dwh (dwh), Monday, 6 January 2003 18:32 (twenty-three years ago)
― Curtis Stephens, Monday, 6 January 2003 22:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 15 February 2004 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 15 February 2004 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)
Worst tastes I've encountered on ILM: Omar, Aquaman, and all you annoying tossers who keep going on about godamn Post Punk (yeah, I know, many of the ppl on my "best taste" list like that stuff too, but they're not as vocal about it.)
xpost no he isn't coz he likes The Clash.
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 15 February 2004 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 15 February 2004 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 15 February 2004 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 15 February 2004 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)
oh damn! which ones?
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 15 February 2004 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 15 February 2004 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nick H (Nick H), Sunday, 15 February 2004 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 15 February 2004 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Sunday, 15 February 2004 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 15 February 2004 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)
Me, the de-testeroned Dom Passantino. The long search for an epitaph is over!
― edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 15 February 2004 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sym (shmuel), Sunday, 15 February 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 15 February 2004 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 15 February 2004 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)
I'm amazed Geir hasn't been mentioned for worst taste, although he brings so much else to the table.
I suppose I have people who I listen to for different genres; Edward, The Lex and Mind Taker for pop, Stevem, Barima and Ronan for dance, Strongo and Tim Finney for hip hop and garage. Tom is the one who traverses these the best overall for me.
― Nick H (Nick H), Sunday, 15 February 2004 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Sunday, 15 February 2004 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 15 February 2004 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)
Note these are not value judgments (though it's hard to imagine how else to take "wrong" but use your imaginations).
― huck, Monday, 16 February 2004 06:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 February 2004 06:31 (twenty-two years ago)
I think Calum has the least taste.
Best Taste: jack cole, Alex NYC.
― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 16 February 2004 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 16 February 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 16 February 2004 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― (Jon L), Monday, 16 February 2004 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 19 February 2004 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 19 February 2004 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 19 February 2004 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 19 February 2004 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 August 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)
ON YOUR KNEES YOU TIEFSCHWARZ/BLACK STROBE FREAKS.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 August 2005 01:01 (twenty years ago)