Is Led Zeppelin's "When The Levee Breaks" an early example of dronerock?

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man, Friday, 22 November 2002 16:30 (twenty-three years ago)

For rock, I'd go with "Tomorrow Never Knows" first.

dleone (dleone), Friday, 22 November 2002 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes..."But Tomorrow Never Knows" is a better example. Constant C? cord, same drum beat the whole way through.

brg30 (brg30), Friday, 22 November 2002 16:34 (twenty-three years ago)

"Venus in Furs" is another pretty obvious example.

Aaron W, Friday, 22 November 2002 16:39 (twenty-three years ago)

NO. When The Levee Breaks is as dronerock as my fucking ass. (OK, my ass is pretty dronerock, but fuck NO!)

Dronerock was invented by LaMonte Young and the Dream Syndicate, end of story. Perfected by the Velvet Underground, popularised by the Beatles on Tomorrow Never knows.

What do you know... invented by Americans, perfected by Brits, just like everything else, dammit.

kate, Friday, 22 November 2002 16:42 (twenty-three years ago)

That trippy middle section of "Dazed & Confused" is a better Zep drone precedent, I imagine.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 22 November 2002 17:24 (twenty-three years ago)

NO. When The Levee Breaks is as dronerock as my fucking ass. (OK, my ass is pretty dronerock, but fuck NO!)
[DRUNKEN MARTI GRAS HOOLIGAN VOICE]"Show Us Your Dronerock Ass! WOOO HOOO! YEAAAH![/DRUNKEN MARTI GRAS HOOLIGAN VOICE]

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Friday, 22 November 2002 17:32 (twenty-three years ago)

i think that the backwards reverb on "When The Levee Breaks" suggests a feel of drone, but the song is pure blues in terms of structure... Most drone rock is structured by more eastern conventions.

gygax!, Friday, 22 November 2002 17:41 (twenty-three years ago)

There have been enough pictures of my dronerock ass on the Julian Casablancas thread, thank you kindly.

Led Zep certainly had their proto-drone moments. But then there's downright silliness like No Quarter.

I'm with gygaz on the blues thing - Most Zep has a standard Blues 3-chord structure. Dronerock only occurs with 2 chords or less. Does Tangerine have 2 chords or 3? I can't remember, and all my Zep cassettes are sitting in storage at my mum's house in NY.

kate, Friday, 22 November 2002 17:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Tangerine = Am G D C
so four

michael (michael), Friday, 22 November 2002 17:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Crikey, my memory is bad. Or am I thinking of another song? One of the pretty acousticky droney ones from Zep II or III.

kate, Friday, 22 November 2002 17:53 (twenty-three years ago)

there's an F somewhere in the outro if i remember right.

gygax!, Friday, 22 November 2002 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Do you consider La Monte Young and the Dream Syndicate rock, Kate? In what ways do you think the Velvets were an improvement on them?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 22 November 2002 18:03 (twenty-three years ago)

As rock as anything else might be... technically RAWK, probably no. But did LaMonte Young invent dronerock? yes.

The Velvets improved pure drone by making it rock - adding beats, a bassline and lyrics, which is what constitutes good rock without compromising the drone. (see Melody Laughter). And then some fucker thought "Hey! let's add a melody to dronerock!" and then invented that glorious oxymoron, my favourite genre, (I nearly typed gender, what a typo) DRONEPOP!!!

kate, Friday, 22 November 2002 18:06 (twenty-three years ago)

There are lots of one-chord blues songs that predate LaMonte Young et al. and are pretty droney. For example, John Lee Hooker's "Boogie Chillun".

o. nate (onate), Friday, 22 November 2002 18:08 (twenty-three years ago)

What do you think of Indian classical music?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 22 November 2002 18:19 (twenty-three years ago)

'Cause I mean you've got a total drone that sounds throughout every track but you've also got beats, melodies, and not a bassline per se but other instrumental lines, all done much more elaborately and intricately than the Velvets.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 22 November 2002 18:20 (twenty-three years ago)

haha yeah kate, just because john cale was a member of the dream syndicate doesn't mean la monte young "invented" the idea of drone-based music.

(everytime i read "dreamy syndicate" my brane replaces it with "dream police")

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 November 2002 18:21 (twenty-three years ago)

kate is thinking of "friends" in open C...

gygax!, Friday, 22 November 2002 18:24 (twenty-three years ago)

What we in the West consider "drone" music would just be considered music in lots of non-Western traditions. The idea of chord changes is not found in lots of non-Western musical styles. Obviously LaMonte Young didn't invent drone music, although it could be said that he popularized it among a certain crowd in the West and made it acceptably high-brow.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 22 November 2002 18:25 (twenty-three years ago)

So I take it you've all actually heard Lamonte Young then. If so, can someone recommend something other than Well-Tuned Piano? The only other thing I've heard was the Niagra thingy, and I thought that was awful.

Ben Williams, Friday, 22 November 2002 18:26 (twenty-three years ago)

ben if you've got access to an mp3 service, do a search for anything by young listed here: The Perfect Drone: Search and Destroy

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 November 2002 18:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Indian Classical is more artful, and in many cases, more intense than even the most firey offerings from rockers.

..Sundar, do you share namesakes with Lakshiminarayana?

christoff (christoff), Friday, 22 November 2002 18:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Whoever made the "Boogie Chillun", thank you.

Drone or not (it's drone?), it's one of the best blues song EVER.

Love his voice so much.

David Allen, Friday, 22 November 2002 21:27 (twenty-three years ago)

LaMonte Young is so not rock. Hell, he's not even bad bad blues (please don't ever subject yourself to his Forever Bad Blues Band).

An early 1970s rock equivalent to the Theater of Eternal Music is Grand Funk Railroad's "I'm Your Captain."

hstencil, Friday, 22 November 2002 21:30 (twenty-three years ago)

kate is thinking of "friends" in open C...

Or maybe "Hats Off (To Roy Harper)" which is also open C (though also patently obviously blues).

Joe (Joe), Friday, 22 November 2002 23:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Probably the droniest Zep got was that intro to "In The Evening". I keep hearing that Page put together a 15-20 minute long version of the intro. Would kill to hear that...

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Friday, 22 November 2002 23:41 (twenty-three years ago)

"see my friends way across the river"

yonug piece's are not drones, they are single notes (but very long ones)

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 23 November 2002 13:51 (twenty-three years ago)

What about the opening of "In the Light"? That's pretty droney.

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 23 November 2002 14:22 (twenty-three years ago)

''droney'' vs ''THE DRONE'' FITE!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 23 November 2002 14:27 (twenty-three years ago)

..Sundar, do you share namesakes with Lakshiminarayana?

Don't recognize the name but my last name is very common in southern India.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 23 November 2002 17:35 (twenty-three years ago)

L. Subramanian is an incredible Classical Violinist (as was his father).

As for more Indian drone, try the vocal traditions of the Dagar Brothers.

christoff (christoff), Monday, 25 November 2002 15:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, OK, I do know L Subramanian. I just didn't know what his first name was. I like Lalgudi Jayraman.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:57 (twenty-three years ago)

how can led zeppelin be proto-drone coming chronologically later than dream syndicate or velvet underground. also, i think it's pretty safe to say that no one "invented" drone-rock.

voss, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)

young's pieces are not drones, they are single notes (but very long ones)

This statement threw me when I first read it. However, I finally got around to looking up the definition of "drone" in music, so without further ado:

In music, an accompanying constant tone or harmony, usually octave or fifth. It is a feature of many classical and folk traditions, and is produced by many instruments of folk music, including the Indian vina, bagpipes, and hurdy-gurdy. Drone effects in written music include the organ pedal point and the musette dance form.
Drone is also the name given to the three lower pipes of the bagpipes, which produce a fixed chord above which the melody is played on the chanter also a bowed instrument with a single string stretched on a stick over a bladder sometimes called a bumbass.

Among examples of drone in the concert repertoire are Wagner's overture to Das Rheingold/The Rhinegold (185354) and the mystery chord of Schoenberg's third orchestral piece Farben/Chord Colours from the Five Pieces for Orchestra (1909).
- courtesy of Hutchinson Encyclopedia

So, in short, a drone can be either a harmony OR tone that is either repeated or constant. So by this definition, LaMonte Young's work would seem to be drone music, due to the presence of very long, sustained notes. Similarly, a one-chord song would be drone music by virtue of having a constant harmony.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 29 November 2002 22:26 (twenty-three years ago)


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