Solomon Burke's "Don't Give Up On Me"- C or D?

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I think it's being grossly overrated by obscuro Soul fetichists (who, mind you, have a lifetime experience of overrating things.) This has less to do with Solomon himself, btw, than his songwriters, who seem to have no idea on how to write Solomon Burke songs: I mean, Dylan's "Stepchild", Costello's "The Judgement" and Brian Wilson's "Soul Searching" aren't bad, but they are clearly Dylan, Costello and Wilson songs, they're just not the right thing for Solomon (the Wilson one in particular.)

That being said, "Don't Give Up On Me", "The Other Side Of The Coin" and "Sit This One Out" (who the hell wrote that 'un, anyway?) are all ace.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 12 December 2002 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

One of the things I really like about it is that he is singing what are "clearly Dylan, Costello and Wilson songs". Particularly 'Stepchild'. He's got the interpretative ability to carry it off, but more than that it's interesting to hear him doing stuff beyond retreads of 'Down in the valley'.

And besides, what is "the right thing for Solomon" to sing? Why is there a specific kind of Solomon Burke song that he has to restrict himself to?

I love both the more traditional stuff like 'Don't give up on me' AND stuff like 'Always keep a diamond'.

James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 12 December 2002 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I waffle between thinking it's really grebt and thinking it's the average rockist's token blooze purchase of the year, which bothers me to no end.

The "I can't be your Bob Dylan" bit in 'Stepchild' was a nice little touch, though; it adds another layer to the doubling back of respect that obviously exists between Burke and his songwriting contingent.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 12 December 2002 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I was really excited by this alb the first two, three times I played it. Then it just sat on my shelf. I think I've pulled it down once or twice, usually for somebody who asks about it.
I think it's great, and at the time I anticipated it would be on my year-end list, but I find it's better in theory than in play.

Horace Mann, Thursday, 12 December 2002 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

One of the things I really like about it is that he is singing what are "clearly Dylan, Costello and Wilson songs". Particularly 'Stepchild'. He's got the interpretative ability to carry it off, but more than that it's interesting to hear him doing stuff beyond retreads of 'Down in the valley'.

And besides, what is "the right thing for Solomon" to sing? Why is there a specific kind of Solomon Burke song that he has to restrict himself to?

I was in a hurry and didn't quite express myself correctly- I've no problem with Burke trying out new stuff. The thing is, tho, that the Dylan, Costello and Wilson songs are so archetypically Dylan, Costello and Wilson- it seems like they weren't in the least attentive to whom they were actually writing these songs for, and Solomon's interpretations basically consist in adding his trademark sound to the songs, i.e. all of these songs would sound better if done by their original creator and make you think of them when you listen to 'em anyway. I mean, come on, the eternally boyish Brian Wilson can get away with lines like "I was a fool/I told a lie/I did you wrong"; Solomon Burke cannot.

The "I can't be your Bob Dylan" bit in 'Stepchild' was a nice little touch, though; it adds another layer to the doubling back of respect that obviously exists between Burke and his songwriting contingent.

I always assumed that Dylan wrote it that way, which made me want to slap him real hard.


Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 12 December 2002 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know about the Dylan and Costello tracks but certainly the Brian Wilson track wasn't written for Solomon Burke. It was originally one of the last tracks that The Beach Boys recorded together round about 1996. I have a version with, I seem to remember, Carl on lead vocals.

Of course, Burke's people could have requested a song and they were given that or his producers could have heard the unreleased BB version and chosen it themselves.

mms (mms), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I know Van Morrison's tunes wound up on his latest alb, which came out before SolBurke's, but I think he wrote 'em for SB.
Anyway, Van's alb is v. good. Not great, not a must have, but ultimately very satisfying and enjoyable.

Horace Mann, Friday, 13 December 2002 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

This has just been voted as MOJO album of the year !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Does anyone here know anything about the gig with Jon Spencer?

Jon Spencer meets Solomon Burke

James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Ugh. I was gonna stay away from this thread because I haven't heard this, but Martian's MOJO info compels me to just say--this album strikes me as the most patronizing project of the year.

s woods, Friday, 13 December 2002 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Scott: Expand!

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's resucitate the career of this poor black genius by lending him our considerable songwriting talents. Aren't we all such marvelous people?

Cynical, unfair, yeah, perhaps. Maybe what really bugs me are the reviews I've read, some of which have made far too many claims about Burke's stature (though frankly who cares if they got *that* wrong, and good for him to get some recognition, no doubt), but also his overall importance in the history of soul. I'm sorry, I like a couple of his songs (I love "Cry to Me"), and there's no doubt other good stuff out there, but is he really that significant? I've honestly seen him compared in at least one review to Otis Redding and Al Green, which just seems like a conveniently revisionist stance.

I'm not gonna keep going here--maybe it's a great record. But album of the year?!

s woods, Friday, 13 December 2002 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Solomon Burke did have a verifiable influence on Otis Redding and the Rolling Stones.
Howev, I do agree with you that this is an overrated alb. It's like Dylan last year: it justifies a certain Boomer ideal, it makes a certain era and aesthetic and maybe even a lifestyle seem relevant in the face of tumult and hip hop.

But it's not even the best Fat Possum release of '02. That would be Asie Payton, followed by T-Model.

Horace Mann, Friday, 13 December 2002 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

It's like Dylan last year: it justifies a certain Boomer ideal, it makes a certain era and aesthetic and maybe even a lifestyle seem relevant in the face of tumult and hip hop.

No, you're thinking of Time Out of Mind. Critics liked Love and Theft because it was good; they didn't have to make excuses for its faults.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 December 2002 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not saying that L&T isn't good, it's just that, it's not THAT good. And I actually think that TOOM was more contemporary, as an "Album of the Year" should be.
L&T might have been "A of the Y" but maybe for 1974, not 2001. Don't Give Up on Me, wouldn't rate that, though I encouage everyone to listen to it at least once.
DGUOM's release also coincided with a peak in my own interest in soul music, so I was already listening to a lot of OR, Rufus Thomas, AG, James Carr etc at the time, as well as the Blind Boys of Alabama's recent stuff.

On the flip side, to argue FOR the alb the SB one (and maybe to trivialize it a bit in the same breath), it's very demoralizing to hear great singers (Joe Cocker comes immediately to mind, George Jones too) who have still got the chops but get/choose shit material. At the very least, as we heard on Johnny Cash's first three American albums, we've got a great singer having a good with decent material.

Horace Mann, Friday, 13 December 2002 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

No, you're thinking of Time Out of Mind.

The Boomer Ideal is to die from disease, bitter and alone?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 14 December 2002 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

No, no, it's the boomer rockist reverence of an aging legend "facing his own mortality" or somesuch.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 14 December 2002 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)


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