Tom, pleaze Delete Neu-Neu ILM

noise reduction leaves a weird watery residue

ILE is still great, by and large.

I BET YOU FEEL REAL GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF NOW.

but really just ignore. READ the title of the thread and who's posting and then don't open it if its geir or calum or whatever. that's what i'm doing. there are some OK discussions nicole.

Something needs to be done, "don't look at it" is a dead end which is stupid in relation to anything, if someone makes a point about anything you could say "don't look at it/read it/listen to it". It's pretty dumb.

no it isn't. if trolls are ignored they go away. simple.

how much space does a thread take really. there are always going to be too many threads bcz we have abt 60-70(?) fairly active users.

you look at the title of the thread. how long does it take to decide if a thread is going to interest you or not. a few sec at most.

LOOKING FORWARD TO READING YOUR INTELLIGENT AND INSIGHTFUL THREADS.

Gierbot the exception to the rule?

(this has come up before BTW, ronan loves complaining when he can probably do something about this)

Problem is, a lot of people just look at the crap that's posted and up and leave without making a big pronouncement about never posting again. It's no coincidence that a lot of the more insightful posters aren't around much nowadays.

Actually, this isn't true - and there are one or two very prominent posters indeed who have been making noises to this effect off-board.

some would argue he isn't. but really, who could be upset by him. he has this one idea on music and doesn't want to argue abt it. so don't. he doesn't use any other names (as far as i know) so this is a v easy thing to do.

and they may go. for a bit. they might come back. or not. and if they don't they'll probably be forgotten about (though their commnets are there, and new posters can marvel at some of the archived commnets)

''Problem is, a lot of people just look at the crap that's posted and up and leave without making a big pronouncement about never posting again. It's no coincidence that a lot of the more insightful posters aren't around much nowadays.''

ppl do get burnt out by the whole thing. trolls are a v convinient excuse. eventually most of us we'll be somewhere else in a year or ten.

some do, some don't. i don't call posters that entertain me 'trolls' tho'.

I think we've identified the root of our problem here.

''sure maybe ignoring it is the philosophy but then ignore it, and don't tell other people to ignore it, ie shut up.''

if you stop whining then i might.

I think much of the difference between R & J here is because there is approximately zero overlap in what they are interested in musically - I doubt Julio reads Ronan's hugely enthusiastic threads on house records, and I don't suppose Ronan reads Julio's Derek Bailey and free jazz threads, so they don't see each other's positive contribution to ILM.

I agree with Nick above about the word 'troll' - the way it is being used here, it is almost useless. What Geir, Calum and EM@IL do has nothing useful in common. Geir's single track mind can be infuriating (though I think it's funny more often), but since he stopped creating so many threads, I can find nothing remotely wrong in what he does. EM@IL would love to be annoying, but everyone pretty much ignores him - he is that most pitiable of creatures, a troll who isn't sharp enough to really trouble anyone.

Calum has started some perfectly good threads on which he has contributed perfectly good posts, but he is the one who troubles me, if only a little, because I think if I'd first shown up and a proportion of the first thread titles I read were overtly misogynistic, I wouldn't have hung around, and I am pretty sure some others would say the same thing. I do worry a little that he will put some good people off, particularly women. However, I don't think he is necessarily just doing this to annoy and distress people - as I said, he makes quite a few perfectly good contributions. Has anyone asked him to keep his fear/hatred of women out of the headlines, at least? Surely an attempt at a reasonable request is worth a try? I suspect it wouldn't work, because he is utterly convinced that he isn't at all sexist, but I would have hoped that someone might have tried this before asking moderators to delete or ban him or something.

I don't what yr point is, you are finally right about something. you just love to have a good whine, that's all.

Is there anyway any of what I'm saying is not true? No. Is there any excuse? No. Is there any chance of Julio apologising, admitting he often acts like a dick on threads where he has no idea what the source of passion is for the person posting it? No.

I look as much of a twat now for actually getting riled into responding but the reality is this has been on the cards for ages, I did not start it, and I think that's glaringly obvious. As much as I mock, I genuinely believe Julio flippantly reads threads, gleaning only a very vague gist of what the point is, he does however detect when someone feels strongly about something, and his only response to this is to tell them to shut up.

I have seldom if ever seen Julio attempt to discuss something, I have seldom if ever seen him show he has any idea where someone else is coming from. Even here I am told to "quit whining", in the usual condescending way. I'd rather appear a twat myself if it makes you realise what a wretch you are.

Repeat after me: STOP YOUR WHINING!!!

do this a few times, it might do you some good.

This thread is rapidly heading for the playground. I'm sort of enjoying watching it.

I AM A WEREWOLF AND I'M SAYING HI!!!!!!!!AND I'M TELLING RONAN TO STOP HIS WHINING!

''He picks his battles really because he's so spineless but it was always going to come to a head, I doubt anyone else would put up with childish fucking "so what" comments on every thread where they feel passionately about something.''

lets take this thread. I tell some ppl to ignore trolls etc. ronan thinks its dumb and thrashes it. I am still trying to reason with a few ppl like noodles, nicole etc. ronan come in and thrashes it. I start making jokes bcz i think its the only sane response and whole thing goes down from there.

I suppose the one person who i will apologize to is noodles who is a great guy and is concerned abt things. I like ILM and I didn't like this crap one bit. believe it or not I didn't.

From the album "Where Have All The Merrymakers Gone?"

i had visions, i was in them
i was looking into the mirror
to see a little bit clearer
rottenness and evil in me
fingertips have memories
mine can't forget the curves of your body
and when i feel a bit naughty
i run it up the flagpole and see who salutes
(but no one ever does)
i'm not sick but i'm not well
and i'm so hot cause i'm in hell
been around the world and found
that only stupid people are breeding
the cretins cloning and feeding
and i don't even own a tv
put me in the hospital for nerves
and then they had to commit me
you told them all i was crazy
they cut off my legs now i'm an amputee, god damn you
i'm not sick but i'm not well
and i'm so hot cause i'm in hell
i'm not sick but i'm not well
and it's a sin to live so well
i wanna publish zines
and rage against machines
i wanna pierce my tongue
it doesn't hurt, it feels fine
the trivial sublime
i'd like to turn off time
and kill my mind
you kill my mind
paranoia paranoia
everybody's coming to get me
just say you never met me
i'm going underground with the moles
hear the voices in my head
i swear to god it sounds like they're snoring
but if you're bored then you're boring
the agony and the irony, they're killing me
i'm not sick but i'm not well
and i'm so hot cause i'm in hell
i'm not sick but i'm not well
and it's a sin to live so well

Yes. I-uh-nee.

Here's a photo of the sleeve for Monica Webster: