Best and worst music films and why

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for me, the worst is undeniably "almost famous". there's enough sap in it to flood an entire continent. it's completely unfunny, absolutely lacking plot credibility (would the editor of rolling stone REALLY give the cover story to some reporter he's never heard of? & the plane scene where everyone confesses their secrets is completely contrived) and in general, what a stinker.
my friends though, loved it.
best? i'm not sure. i did like spinal tap, for all its straightfaced silliness and excess; hedwig and the angry inch is kind of fun though it drifts a little. (i still love that line about how love doesn't last forever but that awful tune "i will always love you" certainly does.) then there are some obvious crowd-pleasers that i don't mind: grease, singing in the rain etc.

ive never seen eight mile, though am amused to hear it described both as "rocky with all the stupid bits taken out" and "a star is born with more swearing". anything has to be better than almost famous though.

speak_easy, Friday, 18 April 2003 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Best: Der Formel Eins Film, of course. Look at that cast!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

"rocky with all the stupid bits taken out" .......Whats that leave?

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Friday, 18 April 2003 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Rude Boy is both answers

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Friday, 18 April 2003 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Spinal Tap was awful. I have no idea how that's become a 'classic.'

Almost Famous wasn't bad. The director's cut is a great improvement. My first reaction to Kate Hudson's character was that she was over-acting (ala the last scene, where she leaves her sunglasses on the airline counter), but then I realized that the 16-year old groupie would be overly dramatic too.

I really want to see Cocksucker Blues. Robert Frank is a god to me, but no one in Texas ever screens his films (the one time a year he's allowed to screen Cocksucker Blues).

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 18 April 2003 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Spinal Tap was awful. I have no idea how that's become a 'classic.'

I weep.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 04:02 (twenty-two years ago)

this is spinal tap roolz.

velvet goldmine was my introduction to the stooges and brian eno so it gets my vote.

brian badword (badwords), Friday, 18 April 2003 04:13 (twenty-two years ago)

"velvet goldmine was my introduction to the stooges and brian eno "

Now I weep....

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Friday, 18 April 2003 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

go ahead, take my vote either way.

i'm just glad i'm not still buying superchunk cds.

brian badword (badwords), Friday, 18 April 2003 04:21 (twenty-two years ago)

HA!HA! : )

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Friday, 18 April 2003 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Fear of a Black Hat!

original bgm, Friday, 18 April 2003 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Errr.. that one is the best, not worst.

original bgm, Friday, 18 April 2003 05:22 (twenty-two years ago)

My favorite thing about Spinal Tapp was when they played on SNL, and had lead bass, bass, synthesized bass, etc.

The Talking Heads movie...

David Allen, Friday, 18 April 2003 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

'Velvet Goldmine' = the 'Pearl Harbour' of rock flics, what could've been just pointless, amateurish garbage raised to atrocity level by appropriation of half-digested 'real-life' details conflated with improbable and unbelievable events and distortions and given a bogus camp/lit gloss to further insult everybody a) who 'inspired' the flick b) everybody viewing. I cannot overstate how much I hated that bullshit fuckin' movie

dave q, Friday, 18 April 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked that Tom Hanks one

dave q, Friday, 18 April 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

"That Thing You Do", yes, that was pretty good!

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 18 April 2003 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

True Stories is a gas. This Is Spinal Tap is one of the funniest movies ever made, and anyone who can't see that must not have even a passing familiarity with western culture. Velvet Goldmine is a beautiful mess. As is Moulin Rouge, but now we're getting into a whole other area.

Worst: sorry, but Ziggy Stardust. Nice outfits, I guess, but fairly ineptly directed and kind of a snooze. I guess it's the only way to see Bowie live in 1973 nowadays, but... no thanks.

And that Wilco movie.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 18 April 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh! And Stop Making Sense, of course. The opposite of Ziggy Stardust. Very well directed, and totally thrilling.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 18 April 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

The Harder They Come is still the best

even though it's not exactly a music film I'd also like to give a shout out to Dogtown & Z-Boys for how well the music synchs up with the visuals and reminds you of how great KICK ASS ROCK N ROLL is!

Paul (scifisoul), Friday, 18 April 2003 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Stop Making Sense
Kenan's OTM.
(btw, why mondrian and not mondriaan?)

willem (willem), Friday, 18 April 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

It's easy to site Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?, with it's music integrated as stroytelling modus better than any i've previously seen, so i will.

christoff (christoff), Friday, 18 April 2003 12:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Gimme Shelter is great, especially the scenes of the drug-addled, shell-shocked Stones in the editing room watching the film footage of Altamont. Pretty powerful, I think. Plus the concert bits are great, and it's always good to see a member of Jefferson Airplane get beat up by bikers while Grace Slick mutters some inneffectual hippie platitudes. Spinal Tap is genius. And the Last Waltz.

Brandon Gentry (Brandon Gentry), Friday, 18 April 2003 12:36 (twenty-two years ago)

"with it's music integrated as stroytelling modus better than any i've previously seen"

Hedwig and the Angry Inch - because of the above and because it's simultaneously hysterical and incredibly sad. I don't know if it's the best because I have a nagging feeling that I'm forgetting something.

disco stu (disco stu), Friday, 18 April 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Henry & June has a pretty slick OMPS.

christoff (christoff), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Best:
Once Upon A Time In The West. Amazing poetry, drama and melancholy in that music. Ennio's finest hour.

Worst:
Rad, the BMX movie from the eighties. Title song: John Farnham: Breaking The Ice. Uuuuuuuuuurgh ...

Jay K (Jay K), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm just glad i'm not still buying superchunk cds.

You are a wise, wise man.

I cannot overstate how much I hated that bullshit fuckin' movie

It wasn't a documentary = it can do whatever the fuck it liked.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, if we're talking about films about music, I'd have to second 'Fear of a Black Hat' and 'The Harder They Come'

oops (Oops), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)


I got to see Rude Boy, the Clash film, recently, and it is quite representative of when a band agrees to have a

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Ladies and Gentlemen...HARD! CORE! LOGO!

I have a soft spot for all three films in Bruce McDonald's rock and roll roadtrip trilogy. Roadkill is pretty shaky but ultimately kinda cool; Highway 61 is a fantastic trip backwards through the history of rock, all along a single highway (and great cameos from Jello B, Art B and Tav F along the way, too!). Hard Core Logo has been called the punk rock Spinal Tap and that's quite possibly true...it's way nastier, funny but in a very real kind of way, and it shows a band imploding in a way that doesn't seem overly cartoonish. The hataz say "IT'S NOT REALLY PUNK WAHH WAHHH" but it definitely does have that Canadian left-coast early 80s slightly-metal punk thing DOWN. Great!

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Fear of a Black Hat is leagues better than the vastly overrated I'm Gonna Get You Sucka.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't leave me hanging, Gatinha! Have a day off? Have a scotch?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I really like A Hard Day's Night, and Times Square should get some credit just for inventing riot grrrl.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)


Doh!

I got to see Rude Boy, the Clash film, recently, and it is quite representative of when a band agrees to have a film made about them without seemingly having any input into what the film will be about, and the director justs makes the film in line with his own very particular vision of what the group "means", cf. It Couldn't Happen Here, the PSB film. There are lots of other examples but I can't think of them now. Rude Boy is certainly entertaining, but also strangely pointless.

Another vote for Fear of a Black Hat btw.

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Best:
Spinal Tap
Stop Making Sense
Don't Look Back
Instrument (about Fugazi)
The Band that Could be King (about Half Japanese) (though it suffers after David Fair quits the band, he's hilarious. Their parents are great too).
I'm going to get my ass kicked, because I'm going to say Velvet Goldmine too.

Has anyone ever seen Speed Racer, the doc. on Vic Chesnutt? I want to see it, but don't know where to get it.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Velvet Goldmine is fantastic as well, have watched it many times - it's a very well-constructed and funny little sexual identity fable (I mean COME ON - the whole confused sexuality as Citizen Kane-style murder mystery trope is genius!)

More votes for best:
Stop Making Sense
Decline of Western Civilization Part 1, but especially part 2! I can't believe neither of these has been mentioned yet.
Space is the Place (Sun Ra's 70s blaxploitation sci-fi film)
The Isle of Wight documentary - great anarchic hippies vs. ego-bloated rich rockstar drama!

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 April 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

If it counts as a music film, I nominate Quadrophenia as one of the better..

Storefront Hitchcock is also good, in a Jonathan Demme kinda way

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And I was a bit unimpressed with 24 hour party people (gasp!)

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 18 April 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Times Square. Because it's teengage punk girls overstepping class boundaries and running wild in the streets of Manhattan wearing garbage bags and racoon makeup. Sleaze Sister voodoo!

I loved Velvet Goldmine, though you'd never catch the teenage me jerking off to the inner sleeve of Alladin Sane. Gross! Actually, my friend Jim, the guy who wrote it with Todd Haynes, said his mother really did walk in on him doing just that! I was amazed, it's like the least sexy photo ever. Anyway, the part at the beginning with all the kids running to the concert to the tune of "Needles in the Camel's Eye" is the most thrilling scene in a rock movie ever. And it reminds me of the final Sleaze Sisters show in Times Square.

Arthur (Arthur), Friday, 18 April 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

A Mighty Wind is to folk what Spinal Tap is to rock. Not as good, but still great.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 18 April 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought Fred Willard stole the movie.

Arthur (Arthur), Friday, 18 April 2003 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

He was great. Eugene Levy was obnoxious, though.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 18 April 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, also his character was way too sad and lost to really get any laughs. But Catherine O'Hara was brilliant, as usual.

Arthur (Arthur), Friday, 18 April 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Shall we start a thread on it rather than derailing this one?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 18 April 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Arthur: at least it wasn't the Diamond Dogs gatefold.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd have to vote for:
Velvet Goldmine
Space is the Place
CB4 (c'mon, it was kinda funny to send up gangsta rap)
Ziggy Stardust
Depeche Mode 101
The Harder They Come

saira eversett, Friday, 18 April 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

whole confused sexuality as Citizen Kane-style murder mystery trope is genius

There are no murders in Citizen Kane. And even if there were, I disagree. I don't think that worked at all. It was as confused as it was confusing.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 18 April 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw CB4 and Fear of the Black Hat the same weekend while in high school and I wanted to carry around a water sprocket thing afterwards everywhere I went just so I could tap into someone's booty juice.

Carey (Carey), Friday, 18 April 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

"There are no murders in Citizen Kane."

Ahh semantics, the true love of all ILMers. I used Citizen Kane to denote the post-mortem investigative aspect of the plot. I didn't mean to imply there was literally a murder in Citizen Kane. There isn't actually a murder in Velvet Goldmine either, in case you were paying attention.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 April 2003 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)


No one has mentioned Krush Groove yet.........

yellow, Friday, 18 April 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

half agree with dave225 - first half of "24HPP" is great, second half elicits rather less interest / empathy...

otherwise agree with majority comments on spinal tap and rude boy...

kieron, Friday, 18 April 2003 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

...appropriation of half-digested 'real-life' details conflated with improbable and unbelievable events and distortions and given a bogus camp/lit gloss ...

But this is what makes it great!

I liked Backbeat and The Filth and the Fury also.

nickn (nickn), Friday, 18 April 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

worst: Bandwagon.

best: A Hard Day's Night.

mosurock (mosurock), Saturday, 19 April 2003 00:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Spinal Tap is just so forced. Guest always seems to be trying too hard, throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. Subtlety can be a good thing.

Like, wow, make fun of metal bands. The film equivalent of Lewinsky jokes.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 19 April 2003 01:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm surprised no one has mentioned HEAD the art film made by the Monkees. Made in 1968 with Bob Rafelson and co-written with Jack Nicholson, aside from being a 60's time capsule piece, it's one of the most shockingly subversive movies to be made by a major studio. The monkees are used as symbols of American artifice and advertising while they wonder through every film genre you can think of. Not surprisingly it was also a major flop. It's beginning to be a reappreciated now. The music is surprisingly great and the film kind of surpases every Beatles movie too. There are few films that managed to combine elements of avant garde structure and themes with the engaging sensibility of American entertainment.
The worst music film incidentally is COOL AS ICE

theodore fogelsanger, Saturday, 19 April 2003 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Regarding "This is Spinal Tap", when it was released in the mid-80's, it was remarkably spot-on. It's now become an institution, and is viewed with such reverance that it fails, possibly, to live up to the hype, but at the time it was very accurate, very subtle and very funny.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 19 April 2003 02:02 (twenty-two years ago)

The worst music film incidentally is COOL AS ICE

Lose the zero and get with the hero

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 19 April 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I know I talk about this movie a lot, so forgive me, but Beyond the Valley of the Dolls!!

It was called "simultaneously the best and worst movie ever made" by Film Threat, so it fits both categories in the thread title.

Beyond the Valley of the Dolls - the greatest pop music film EVER?

Ernest P. (ernestp), Saturday, 19 April 2003 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Repo Man - best punk rock movie of all time :)

...and what about Beatstreet?


Brandon Ivers (Brandon Ivers), Sunday, 20 April 2003 07:35 (twenty-two years ago)

One that I don't think has been mentioned is The Show He Never Gave, about a fictitious performance Hank Williams gave the night he died.

Also, Bird. Amazingly great.

Catherine (Catherine), Sunday, 20 April 2003 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

"Decline of Western Civilization", the first one, holds a place in my heart, not because it was particularly great, but just because it captured a very small sliver of time, place and culture with at least partial accuracy. I also saw a documentary about Woodstock Two (I THINK it was called MY GENERATION but I could be wrong) - DAMN good.

matt riedl (veal), Sunday, 20 April 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

ROCK'N'ROLL HIGH SCHOOL!!!

PJ Soles! Paul Bartel! Mary Woronov!

oh, and the Ramones.

Sean (Sean), Sunday, 20 April 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

This is Spinal Tap is one of the funniest fucking movies ever made and is figuring into a review I am writing of an album right now, actually. I can't even breathe from laughing just thinking about the fucking stonehenge. "Yes, but this one goes to 11" is a phrase that I use whenever I can, in completely inappropriate contexts.

Oh, and Fear of a Black Hat is great too. That Thing You Do really pisses me off cos that kid who plays the male lead looks exactly like Tom Hanks, I was half expecting the "Luke, I AM your father" scene between the two of them.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I feel like I ought to step up and defend Almost Famous, just 'cause it made me cry (shut up!) and I supposedly look just like the hero. Yeah, it's completely unbelievable and all that, but it's also kind of sweet in a non-forced, Truffaut-esque way.

The Filth and the Fury is entertaining, as Behind the Music-style documentaries go, but it's also a lame cleaned-up version of a really interesting story. (I think the only people I trust to talk about the Sex Pistols and not make me hiss and spit "THAT'S NOT RIGHT, GODDAMMIT!" at the screen or page are Jon Savage, Gr*il M*rc*s and mark s) (you'll notice I don't include any of the Pistols themselves in that list)

I thought Velvet Goldmine was one of the most irritating things I'd ever watched, but I know a lot more about glam more now so I might like it now.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 21 April 2003 07:54 (twenty-two years ago)

"you'll notice I don't include any of the Pistols themselves in that list"

Yeah! will Lydon ever discuss that period without being an unamusing dickwad.

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Monday, 21 April 2003 08:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't believe I forgot Rock'n'Roll High School. Total classic, except for PJ Soles, who is fucking obnoxious, but what are you going to do? Hilarious.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 21 April 2003 11:32 (twenty-two years ago)

"HYPE!"

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

...is a very good film.

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Tapeheads should fit in this category, and it's an utter classic. Fishbone performing as "Ranchbone", Sam & Dave as "The Swanky Modes", some dudes with 80s hair faking it as "Cube Squared" to a fuckin gnarly Devo track, it's funny, it's funky, it's full-of-and-revolves-around music...plus ROSCO'S CHICKEN AND WAFFLES MANG!!!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Like, wow, make fun of metal bands. The film equivalent of Lewinsky jokes.

Considering when it came out--before hair band saturation--the topic could hardly be considered passe.

oops (Oops), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Doesn't music have to be passe before you can make fun of it? Otherwise, it would still be fresh and innovative and thus invincible to mockery.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

the music may have been passe to some people (prolly not for most people since heavy metal sold well throughout the 80s), but poking fun at heavy metal bands surely was NOT passe.

oops (Oops), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Doesn't music have to be passe before you can make fun of it?

Says who?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Reading it again, that statement appears to be tongue-in-cheek. Nick?...

oops (Oops), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Like most things I say, it's half tongue-in-cheek and half serious. I guess to be more precise, I should say that music has to be passe to you before you can make fun of it, and even that doesn't sound right, pretty obvious but wrong.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Satisfaction
Hard To Hold
Light Of Day

all very, very bad.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Monday, 21 April 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Has no-one mentioned "Flame", starring Slade yet? Shame on you!

Dadaismus, Monday, 21 April 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

worst:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005RYL7.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 21 April 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

It's out on DVD? My life is complete.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

as I've stated on other threads "Can't Stop the Music" is wonderful. I wish I could watch it right now.

H (Heruy), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Goodfellas

What, it's not a music movie?

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

"Can't Stop the Music" is wonderful. I wish I could watch it right now.

"Leathermen NEVER get nervous! Leathermen NEVER get nervous!"

Neudonym, Monday, 21 April 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Worst: a narrow tie between _Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band_ and _Cool As Ice_.

mike a (mike a), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

"Can't Stop the Music" is wonderful. I wish I could watch it right now.

"New York is the city with gusto..."

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

folks, FOLKS!

http://www.horror-wood.com/paradi13.jpg

the best music BUSINESS movie of all time, certainly.

david day (winslow), Monday, 21 April 2003 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

can't beat Paul Williams for nutty 70s movie musicals!

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 21 April 2003 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Paul Williams is freaky freaky.

slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 21 April 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 23:24 (twenty-two years ago)

stardust
?

lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 03:14 (twenty-two years ago)

(v.strange. i was sure i had posted this question already, but i didn't find it here while looking now, hopefully - i.e.foolishly - for possible replies... a'right, here goes)

The Book of Days, the Meredith Monk film from the early 90s - any IlMer or ILMeress actually seen it?

t''t, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 13:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Goodfellas is the best movie ever and the Joe Pesci thing comes full circle.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

eleven years pass...

Not sure if We Are the Best! has officially opened over here or not--I don't think so. A little precious in spots, but quite good. My main complaint would be of a rock-critic nature: the soundtrack (not what the three girls play, but the stuff they listen to that's supposed to stand in for punk rock) is not very good. It's basically a generic imitation--maybe the filmmaker was afraid that using LiLiPUT would overwhelm everything else. (The song over the end credits is pretty good.) Everything else, especially the three girls--Hedvig was my favourite--is fine. Actually deals in a subtle way with a punk-rock dilemma, at least one that was lurking there in '77 and '78: at what point does good musicianship become a necessity rather than some kind of betrayal? When the band plays some out-the-way community hall at the end, I swear it's an inspired recreation of the Sex Pistols in Texas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfPytPjV1xc

clemenza, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 02:20 (eleven years ago)

"The Apple" is both best and worst.

Bloomington After Dark, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 02:59 (eleven years ago)


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