― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 1 May 2003 09:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― kate, Thursday, 1 May 2003 09:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
but yes, the grateful dead invented most of the best music we hear today.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 1 May 2003 10:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― kate, Thursday, 1 May 2003 10:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― your null fame (yournullfame), Thursday, 1 May 2003 10:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 1 May 2003 10:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'm serious kate and i have never smoked anything in my life.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 1 May 2003 10:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― kate, Thursday, 1 May 2003 10:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 1 May 2003 11:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 1 May 2003 12:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
Hey, who let all those MOR cunts into *my* secret masonic death cult? How dare they!
― kate, Thursday, 1 May 2003 12:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
live/dead is a phenomenal release. I want to get lots of bootlegs now.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 1 May 2003 12:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 1 May 2003 12:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 1 May 2003 12:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
i need to get the acid test stuff somewhere. i useta have a tape, but it musta rolled away with the dew or something.
― scott seward, Thursday, 1 May 2003 12:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gage o (gage o), Thursday, 1 May 2003 13:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
masonic dude #4
― masonic dude #4, Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― kate, Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
open yr mind. think outside the box etc etc.
let me patronise you!
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
This is the worst overstatement ever, and makes Julio sound like a smelly hippy. Is Julio a smelly hippy?
Besides, everybody knows that Brian Eno (Knight Templar) invented most of the best music we hear today.
― J (Jay), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
How many references to 23 are there in the GD lexicon?
― earlnash, Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― FNORD, Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
Is this an example of that "pretentious" humour you were talking about Julio?
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
Lyric searchCouldn't find any lyrics matching 23
― Sam J. (samjeff), Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
I mean yes it was funny on The Young Ones TWENTY YEARS AGO but really: the Grateful Dead have some very interesting songs, saying "eek they're hippies" is about as thought-through a take as "How can I like a band that doesn't even write their own songs?" Ugh.
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 1 May 2003 19:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
boring, tiresome noodling with horrifically uninteresting vocals and trite lyrics?the dead have no sense of dynamics whatsoever. they are lead balloons that want to soar but sink faster than you can say "hand painted jerry garcia tie" or "bucket of fried chicken with a side of heroin." they are reverse midases, every sound they touched turning to feces. moreover, with their cult audience, they never had to push themselves -- everything they did was just "groovy." by cult, i mean mindless religous dedication.
― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 1 May 2003 19:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
Read Julio's quote again. Does it not OVERSTATE THE DEAD'S IMPORTANCE?
Yes, there are good Dead songs. I quite like "Born Cross-Eyed" and "Dark Star" in particular. But "the grateful dead invented most of the best music we hear today" is a mistaken belief held by Deadheads and Deadheads alone.
― J (Jay), Thursday, 1 May 2003 19:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
Just because they said it twenty years ago on a Britcom doesn't mean it's WRONG!
― J (Jay), Thursday, 1 May 2003 19:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 1 May 2003 19:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
What are you talking about? They're not playing drone.
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 1 May 2003 19:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 1 May 2003 19:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
as for hippies, the stereotype as it exists now is primarily based on Deadheads.
― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
1. Excessively ornate or complex in style or language; grandiloquent: turgid prose. 2. Swollen or distended, as from a fluid; bloated: a turgid bladder; turgid veins.
― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sam J. (samjeff), Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
the Dead could have off moments but were great live performers who get dismissed way too easily here.
― H (Heruy), Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
http://dev.null.org/psychoceramics/archives/1996.02/msg00049.html
― SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
I knew when a thread with the words 'grateful dead' the word 'hippies' come up. its all bullshit. HATING THE FANS ISN'T A GOOD ENUFF REASON!
Right now i am listening to something that sort of in the spirit of the grateful dead. but I must go to sleep soon. I'll try to come back tomorrow and explain (I deliberately made my comment 'open' so we could start some sort of discussion and i have enjoyed the posts here).
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 1 May 2003 21:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
for me -- to my ears -- the Dead are plodding, one dead end alley after another. their "jams" never come together satisfactorly, mostly stillborn right out of the gate.
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self indulgence is a precarious razor's edge which one can easly tip over into unlistenability.
― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 1 May 2003 21:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 1 May 2003 21:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
Have you heard "Two From the Vault"?
― Sam J. (samjeff), Thursday, 1 May 2003 21:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 1 May 2003 21:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
See, what pulled me into the Dead (after years of indifference) was all those awesome songs. And once I got interested in the songs, I started to appreciate their playing a lot more. And I started to really like Jerry Garcia's guitar playing, "undynamic" as it may be. I like how he plays on and on and on, just playing great notes. I can understand how people could hear it as musical mush, but, y'know, to each their own.
― Sam J. (samjeff), Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
Again, there's a whole bunch of complaints one can allege against the dead. "Self-indulgence" really doesn't seem like something that can reasonably be laid against the studio albums, though.
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
an anecdote: when i was wee lad i thought bluegrass sucked because most of it that i heard was the shit played by garcia and his cronies. freaking wallpaper banjo music. thank god i finally heard the stanley brothers and bill monroe and even dock boggs, otherwise i would have continued to have wrong idea. garcia is the epitome of inertness, be it in the studio or on stage.
― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 1 May 2003 23:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Friday, 2 May 2003 09:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
never met a deadhead BTW.
I think the grateful dead just made that notion of making a tune and then playing wildly different versions of it again and again. They made that 'idea' into a reality and many bands have followed since.
Of course for anyone into jazz this is not new but as far as rock goes...most of the best bands that mess around with the rock format use improvisation. that is far more interesting to me than a band boring me with their songs, their awful lyrics and 'production'. I like songs still but improvising dominates a lot of my listening. more than hearing straight tunes anyway, and that has been the case for the last 3/4 years.
I was listening to a rallizes CDR (jap psych band) last night and they were playing 'songs' that I first heard on 'Live 77' and they were incredibly different. its that thing abt revisiting tunes again and again and finding new things on them.
besides 'Live/Dead' is really wonderful to me from beginning to end (but especially the middle section btu I'm at work so I don't have it with me to pull it out).
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 2 May 2003 12:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 May 2003 13:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
OK I'm not saying they invented it on their own but weren't they among those bands that were keen on improvisation.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 2 May 2003 13:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 May 2003 13:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
''I think in pursuit of a debate you somewhatexaggerated their importance, which we all do at times''
there are a couple of old threads and it did descend into the 'hippies' etc stuff. I like that 'dynamics' was touched on and I'll try and string a thought or two on this.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 2 May 2003 13:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 May 2003 13:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
Freemasons or not? Doesn't this sound a lot like the legend of Hiram Abif?
Grateful Dead"Mason's Children"
Mason died on Monday, we bricked him in the wallAll his children grew and grew, they ain't never grown so tall beforeThey may never grow so tall again
We dug him up on Tuesday, he hardly aged a dayTaught us all we ever knew, we ain't never known so much beforeWe may never know so much again
The wall collapsed on Wednesday, we chalked it up to fateMason's children ran and flew, they ain't never run so fast beforeSwore they'd never show their face again
Mason was a mighty man, a mighty man was heAlways said when I'm dead I'm gone, don't you weep for me
Thursday came then Friday, with buyers tall and brightMason's children cooked the stew and cleaned up when the feast was through
Take me to the repo-man to pay back what is owedIf he's in some other land write it off as stole
― Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
Sargosa Manuscript & The Dead: http://www.egyptiantheatre.com/sargossamanuscript1999.htm
As you can imagine, every other Google find about this subject sounded suspiciously like insanity and invovled the CIA and Satan.
― Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
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