"Good time hippy music" says some pretty bad time stuff

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A lot of peace and love hippy bands seem to be putting some pretty negative things in a positive light. I'm sure it's all about how you interpret the lyrics, but just listening to my old Grateful Dead tapes recently, I've noticed moreso than ever before that there's a lot of happy little tunes about death and dying, running away from the police, not being a responsible person and doing illegal things. The simple enough positive new agey stuff started seeming a little odd, when I started noticing that they've got some real dark messages in their new agey songs ("Blues For Allah" album, for instance)... and there's that "Friend of The Devil" song, I never really understood coming from the Dead, but have always really liked. Listening more closely to the rest of their lyrics, "Friend of the Devil" fits in quite well, actually.

It's just realism, I realize, but it also seems weird coming from a band that I always sort of thought had sort of a "positive message" thing going. This sort of set off a train of thought for me, as I started running questionable Phish lyrics through my head. I realized that Phish said a lot of real negative stuff, also quite often in a real positive light. Phish is actually a little more twisted and the negative stuff comes off as sort of jokey, but there's stuff about killing people, drowning, going nuts, etc. Actually, I started wondering if there was some weird subversive message underlying "Reba" (a song about throwing together everything from toxic waste to animal parts into a big stew and "sell[ing] it to the butcher in the store" (which opens up with odd references to needles and razors), but after a halfass attempt at its analysis, I decided it didn't have anything to do with illegal drug manufacturing or the occult (like "Goat's Head Soup" or whatever), but that would have been sort of neat if it was something really obvious I had just never noticed before.

So that all reminded me of all the things I've heard over the years about Beatles lyrics (though nothing springs to mind). Anything come to yours?

You can't say "good things" all the time. That would be pretty boring. I was just wondering if anyone else had really taken notice of this and had a bunch of collected ideas regarding various odd subject themes or curiously dark lyrics.

Listening to "Blues For Allah" the other day really made me take notice that the Dead seem to have been pleased by self-destructive behavior and really DID seem to be welcoming death (..."life may be sweeter for this, I don't know, seems like it might be alright, while lady lullabye sings softly to you, swift undertow" -- these lines, in the context of the rest of the song, seems to definitely be referring to death, which is something I had never noticed before. This whole song seems to be about "the big sleep" and being rather happy about it!)

Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

the 60's being a less-than-utopian time shockah

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 10 May 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

hippies were all laissez faire proto republicans. and people wonder why they became health fascists!

gareth (gareth), Saturday, 10 May 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

haha gareth in fuck some hippies shocker!

I told some guy last night what 'Sledgehammer' was all about. He said 'That's Nice!' and didn't really talk to me again all night (I know him from work). Peter Gabriel has some of the best euphemisms ever.

Millar (Millar), Saturday, 10 May 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

what IS Sledgehammer about?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 10 May 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

"Friend of the Devil" is so great a song, though I have little love for the Dead's other detritus.

Hotel California is on the radi0...they stab it with their steely knives, but they still can't kill the beast!"

Fivvy (Fivvy), Saturday, 10 May 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The lyrics on these 'hippie' records were all damn funny to me. some of the sounds quite remarkable.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 10 May 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

See that girl, barefootin' along
Whistlin' and singin', she's a carryin' on
There's laughing in her eyes, dancing in her feet
She's a neon-bright fire and she can live on the street

{Refrain}
Hey hey, hey, hey in every way
I'm a comin', uhuh honey, every day
Yeh hey, hey, hey in every way
I'm a comin', uhuh honey, every day

Well everybody's dancin' in a ring around the sun
Nobody's finished, we ain't even begun
So take off your shoes, child, and take off your hat
Shine your wings and fly me out where it's at

{Refrain}

Take a vacation, fall out for a while
Summer's coming in, winter's goin' out in style
Well, light out smokin', honey, have yourself a ball
'Cause your mama's gone to Memphis
She won't be back 'til the fall

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 10 May 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you think oh, I don't know...stress about things like Vietnam, Watergate and the cold war might have tainted some of the pretty songs coming out of the summer of love and later?
Or maybe the heigenically questionable legions of under educated young people, experimenting with drugs and sex for the first time, gave the illusion of "Happy Hippies" and the song writers dealt with actual issues that effected them? Or maybe, because most of the music was blues influenced, the subject had a touch of grey? (couldn't resist).
Take a good look at Neil Young, he is weird but I don't think I would characterize him as a happy guy. The Stones were damn dark and Hendrix wasn't always happy either.
I can't think of any flouncy shirt wearing tea-heads, with flowers painted on their faces, that actually made ANY decent music. All the good bands had some grit and darkness.

Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

the natural cards revolve ever changing
seeded elsewhere planted in the garden fair grow trees, grow trees

tongues of the sheer wind
setting you foot where the sand is untrodden,
the ocean that only begins

listen a woman with a bulldozer built this house now
carving away the mountain whose name is your childhood home
we were trying to buy it buy it buy it
someone was found killed there all bones bones dry bones

earth water fire and air
met together in a garden fair
put in a basket bound with skin
if you answer this riddle
you'll never begin

born in a house where the doors shut tight
shadowy fingers on the curtains at night
cherry tree blossom head high snow
a busy main road where I wasn't to go
I used to sit on the garden wall
say hello to people going by so tall
hallo to the postman's stubbly skin
hallo to the baker's stubbly grin
mrs thompson gave me a bear
brigitte and some people lived upstairs

skating on happy valley pond
various ministers and guards stood around
the ice was nice hallo the invisible brethren
and there was a tent you played cards with the
soldiers in, don't worry we won't send anyone
after you they screamed
but me and licorice saw the last of them one
misty twisty day
across the mournful morning moor motoring away
singing ladybird, ladybird what is your wish
your wish is not granted unless it's a fish
your wish is not granted unless it's a dish
a fish on a dish is that what you wish

earth water fire and air
met together in a garden fair
put in a basket bound with skin
if you answer this riddle
you'll never begin

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Brandon, there's no need to sarcastically state the obvious or whatever. The Dead tunes have nothing to do with the war as far as one can tell. More about just being a deadbeat or reuniting with the cosmos through death. Also, I didn't mention Neil Young or Hendrix or the Stones as far as my recollection serves me. Not every band was a "good time hippy band" just because it was the 60s.

Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

One of my favorite quotes about hippies, from Neal Stevenson:

Chronologically I am a post-Baby Boomer. I feel that way, at least, because I never experienced the fun and exciting parts of the whole Boomer scene--just spent a lot of time dutifully chuckling at Boomers' maddeningly pointless anecdotes about just how stoned they got on various occasions, and politely fielding their assertions about how great their music was. But even from this remove it was possible to glean certain patterns, and one that recurred as regularly as an urban legend was the one about how someone would move into a commune populated by sandal-wearing, peace-sign flashing flower children, and eventually discover that, underneath this facade, the guys who ran it were actually control freaks; and that, as living in a commune, where much lip service was paid to ideals of peace, love and harmony, had deprived them of normal, socially approved outlets for their control-freakdom, it tended to come out in other, invariably more sinister, ways.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm enjoying this here analysis of Dead lyrics. A lot of them are really quite good! http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~mleone/dead-lyrics.html

Is it just my overactive imagination, or is China Doll about reincarnation (seems to be a recurring theme?). Maybe that's why the Dead were so carefree about life and death, in general.

Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

"Eyes of The World" seems to address this attitude regarding life and death.

Eyes Of The World

Right outside this lazy summer home
you ain't got time to call your soul a critic no.
Right outside the lazy gate of winter's summer home,
wond'rin' where the nut-thatch winters,
wings a mile long just carried the bird away.

Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world,
the heart has it's beaches, it's homeland and thoughts of it's own.
Wake now, discover that you are the song that the mornin' brings,
But the heart has it's seasons, it's evenin's and songs of it's own.

There comes a redeemer, and he slowly too fades away,
And there follows his wagon behind him that's loaded with clay.
And the seeds that were silent all burst into bloom, and decay,
and night comes so quiet, it's close on the heels of the day.

Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world,
the heart has it's beaches, it's homeland and thoughts of it's own.
Wake now, discover that you are the song that the mornin' brings,
But the heart has it's seasons, it's evenin's and songs of it's own.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own,
And sometimes we visit your country and live in your home,
sometimes we ride on your horses, sometimes we walk alone,
sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own.

Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world,
the heart has it's beaches, it's homeland and thoughts of it's own.
Wake now, discover that you are the song that the mornin' brings,
But the heart has it's seasons, it's evenin's and songs of it's own.

Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, this is weird. Were the Grateful Dead Freemasons or something? I've never heard this song before, but "Mason's Children" sounds a hell of a lot like the legend of Hiram Abif.

Mason's Children

Mason died on Monday, we bricked him in the wall
All his children grew and grew, they ain't never grown so tall before
They may never grow so tall again

We dug him up on Tuesday, he hardly aged a day
Taught us all we ever knew, we ain't never known so much before
We may never know so much again

The wall collapsed on Wednesday, we chalked it up to fate
Mason's children ran and flew, they ain't never run so fast before
Swore they'd never show their face again

Mason was a mighty man, a mighty man was he
Always said when I'm dead I'm gone, don't you weep for me

Thursday came then Friday, with buyers tall and bright
Mason's children cooked the stew and cleaned up when the feast was through

Take me to the repo-man to pay back what is owed
If he's in some other land write it off as stole

Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Were The Grateful Dead Freemasons?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Holy shit. That thread was created just over a week ago and I never noticed it? Or, wait a second, that's right, I think that's what reminded me to listen to the Dead again, but I didn't take it seriously.

Now I'm off to the thread to see if it's true! Thanks, Julio.

Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

don't forget to come back and tell us the truth ;-)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio, apparantly, the decision so far on that thread is that the Dead were filthy, smelly and untalented hippies... :/

I posted "Mason's Children" over there where it should rightfully be.

Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

OPO: Robert Hunter lyric

Reading these lyrics is great. Man, I fuckin' love the Dead. I'm gonna go listen to that great live version of "Eyes of the World" from So Many Roads right now.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

(I mentioned "Mason's Children" over on that other thread, btw)

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Man, I am really unobservant. Can we put some pictures and giant captions on this board or something? ;)

Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok, I just found some info which I'm going to put on the other thread.
Googling "Grateful Dead Freemason" sure does come up with a lot of results... I want to see this movie "Sargosa Manuscript" (all other Freemason Dead stuff I find will go on the other thread):

1965, Cowboy Booking, 180 min. "I understand your mind is rebelling against improbable phenomena," someone murmurs in Polish director Wojciech Has’ legendary occult masterpiece -- a mesmerizing cascade of shadow boxes and cul-de-sacs, in which a Napoleonic officer (Zbigniew Cybulski) finds himself trapped within the story told by an ancient manuscript, one that sends him back repeatedly through time to challenge Death itself. Based on the 18th-century novel by Egyptologist and Freemason Jan Potocki, the film almost became one of history’s lost occult treasures -- until it was rescued recently by the Pacific Film Archive in Berkeley, with the help of Martin Scorsese and Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead (who acknowledged the film’s enormous influence on his music.) [Please note the 3 hour running time of THE SARAGOSSA MANUSCRIPT -- presented here in its full-length version.]

Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow! I wanna see that too!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Guess what? It's at Amazon.com!

Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Something weirdish: apparantly not only is the movie a "great unseen masterpiece" which was almost lost forever, but the book it was based on, written by a Freemason, was ALSO lost for a period of time... I tell you, the Masons don't want us to read or see it! So, I must order it.

Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh. Scaredy, the Potocki book is available in a good Penguin edition, entitled The Manuscript Found in Saragossa. It is definitely a grand book, so read it when you get the chance. The introduction confirms that its publishing history was incredibly tortuous; apparently Potocki worked on it on and off throughout his life and a variety of editions, condensations and fragments emerged throughout Europe during his life.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 May 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

can somebody PLEASE tell me what fucking "Sledgehammer" is about?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 11 May 2003 02:37 (twenty-two years ago)

THE SARAGOSSA MANUSCRIPT is a very dark and beautiful film. I saw it when the restored print was traveling the art house circuit and it is definately worth the three hours. Like any good artistic representation of occult lore, it is vastly open to differing interpertations.

I wonder why no one mentioned the Dead's use of LSD as a contributing factor to their interest in life and Death, that stuff does make you rather contemplative?
Please pardon my earlier sarcasm, no offense was intended.

Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Sunday, 11 May 2003 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It's A Beautiful Day's "White Bird" could be abt sexual slavery and body trafficking!

(Also, remember that the Fillmore district of SF will forever be linked w/ Reverend Jim Jones)

dave q, Sunday, 11 May 2003 11:18 (twenty-two years ago)

(also see Philip K Dick's 'A Scanner Darkly'. this book scared the shit out of me to the extent that I swore off drugs, a pledge which lasted a good two days or so. read along w/ Art Pepper's 'Straight Life' interesting pic of hippie era fusing w/ lingering strands of North Beach beatnik intellectual pretensions curling into double helix of druggy/mystical gotterdamerung))

dave q, Sunday, 11 May 2003 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm just gonna hi-5 julio right now for quoting the incredible string band ...

... and ask about the fucking 'transitive nightfall of diamonds' in "dark star" ...

... but i love the dead, really.

(a friend of mine said that "all hippies are liars hiding their true motives." seems pretty wise.)

jon dale, Monday, 12 May 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Or, as RFTC put it, "Hippy Dippy Do"!

Scaredy Cat, Monday, 12 May 2003 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)


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