It's just realism, I realize, but it also seems weird coming from a band that I always sort of thought had sort of a "positive message" thing going. This sort of set off a train of thought for me, as I started running questionable Phish lyrics through my head. I realized that Phish said a lot of real negative stuff, also quite often in a real positive light. Phish is actually a little more twisted and the negative stuff comes off as sort of jokey, but there's stuff about killing people, drowning, going nuts, etc. Actually, I started wondering if there was some weird subversive message underlying "Reba" (a song about throwing together everything from toxic waste to animal parts into a big stew and "sell[ing] it to the butcher in the store" (which opens up with odd references to needles and razors), but after a halfass attempt at its analysis, I decided it didn't have anything to do with illegal drug manufacturing or the occult (like "Goat's Head Soup" or whatever), but that would have been sort of neat if it was something really obvious I had just never noticed before.
So that all reminded me of all the things I've heard over the years about Beatles lyrics (though nothing springs to mind). Anything come to yours?
You can't say "good things" all the time. That would be pretty boring. I was just wondering if anyone else had really taken notice of this and had a bunch of collected ideas regarding various odd subject themes or curiously dark lyrics.
Listening to "Blues For Allah" the other day really made me take notice that the Dead seem to have been pleased by self-destructive behavior and really DID seem to be welcoming death (..."life may be sweeter for this, I don't know, seems like it might be alright, while lady lullabye sings softly to you, swift undertow" -- these lines, in the context of the rest of the song, seems to definitely be referring to death, which is something I had never noticed before. This whole song seems to be about "the big sleep" and being rather happy about it!)
― Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 10 May 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― gareth (gareth), Saturday, 10 May 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)
I told some guy last night what 'Sledgehammer' was all about. He said 'That's Nice!' and didn't really talk to me again all night (I know him from work). Peter Gabriel has some of the best euphemisms ever.
― Millar (Millar), Saturday, 10 May 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 10 May 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)
Hotel California is on the radi0...they stab it with their steely knives, but they still can't kill the beast!"
― Fivvy (Fivvy), Saturday, 10 May 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 10 May 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)
{Refrain}Hey hey, hey, hey in every wayI'm a comin', uhuh honey, every dayYeh hey, hey, hey in every wayI'm a comin', uhuh honey, every day
Well everybody's dancin' in a ring around the sunNobody's finished, we ain't even begunSo take off your shoes, child, and take off your hatShine your wings and fly me out where it's at
{Refrain}
Take a vacation, fall out for a whileSummer's coming in, winter's goin' out in styleWell, light out smokin', honey, have yourself a ball'Cause your mama's gone to MemphisShe won't be back 'til the fall
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 10 May 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)
Chronologically I am a post-Baby Boomer. I feel that way, at least, because I never experienced the fun and exciting parts of the whole Boomer scene--just spent a lot of time dutifully chuckling at Boomers' maddeningly pointless anecdotes about just how stoned they got on various occasions, and politely fielding their assertions about how great their music was. But even from this remove it was possible to glean certain patterns, and one that recurred as regularly as an urban legend was the one about how someone would move into a commune populated by sandal-wearing, peace-sign flashing flower children, and eventually discover that, underneath this facade, the guys who ran it were actually control freaks; and that, as living in a commune, where much lip service was paid to ideals of peace, love and harmony, had deprived them of normal, socially approved outlets for their control-freakdom, it tended to come out in other, invariably more sinister, ways.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)
Is it just my overactive imagination, or is China Doll about reincarnation (seems to be a recurring theme?). Maybe that's why the Dead were so carefree about life and death, in general.
― Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)
Eyes Of The World
Right outside this lazy summer homeyou ain't got time to call your soul a critic no.Right outside the lazy gate of winter's summer home,wond'rin' where the nut-thatch winters,wings a mile long just carried the bird away.
Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world,the heart has it's beaches, it's homeland and thoughts of it's own.Wake now, discover that you are the song that the mornin' brings,But the heart has it's seasons, it's evenin's and songs of it's own.
There comes a redeemer, and he slowly too fades away,And there follows his wagon behind him that's loaded with clay.And the seeds that were silent all burst into bloom, and decay,and night comes so quiet, it's close on the heels of the day.
Sometimes we live no particular way but our own,And sometimes we visit your country and live in your home,sometimes we ride on your horses, sometimes we walk alone,sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own.
― Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)
Mason's Children
Mason died on Monday, we bricked him in the wallAll his children grew and grew, they ain't never grown so tall beforeThey may never grow so tall again
We dug him up on Tuesday, he hardly aged a dayTaught us all we ever knew, we ain't never known so much beforeWe may never know so much again
The wall collapsed on Wednesday, we chalked it up to fateMason's children ran and flew, they ain't never run so fast beforeSwore they'd never show their face again
Mason was a mighty man, a mighty man was heAlways said when I'm dead I'm gone, don't you weep for me
Thursday came then Friday, with buyers tall and brightMason's children cooked the stew and cleaned up when the feast was through
Take me to the repo-man to pay back what is owedIf he's in some other land write it off as stole
― Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 10 May 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)
Now I'm off to the thread to see if it's true! Thanks, Julio.
― Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)
I posted "Mason's Children" over there where it should rightfully be.
― Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)
Reading these lyrics is great. Man, I fuckin' love the Dead. I'm gonna go listen to that great live version of "Eyes of the World" from So Many Roads right now.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)
1965, Cowboy Booking, 180 min. "I understand your mind is rebelling against improbable phenomena," someone murmurs in Polish director Wojciech Has’ legendary occult masterpiece -- a mesmerizing cascade of shadow boxes and cul-de-sacs, in which a Napoleonic officer (Zbigniew Cybulski) finds himself trapped within the story told by an ancient manuscript, one that sends him back repeatedly through time to challenge Death itself. Based on the 18th-century novel by Egyptologist and Freemason Jan Potocki, the film almost became one of history’s lost occult treasures -- until it was rescued recently by the Pacific Film Archive in Berkeley, with the help of Martin Scorsese and Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead (who acknowledged the film’s enormous influence on his music.) [Please note the 3 hour running time of THE SARAGOSSA MANUSCRIPT -- presented here in its full-length version.]
― Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Scaredy Cat, Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 May 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 11 May 2003 02:37 (twenty-two years ago)
I wonder why no one mentioned the Dead's use of LSD as a contributing factor to their interest in life and Death, that stuff does make you rather contemplative?Please pardon my earlier sarcasm, no offense was intended.
― Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Sunday, 11 May 2003 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― dave q, Sunday, 11 May 2003 11:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― dave q, Sunday, 11 May 2003 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)
... and ask about the fucking 'transitive nightfall of diamonds' in "dark star" ...
... but i love the dead, really.
(a friend of mine said that "all hippies are liars hiding their true motives." seems pretty wise.)
― jon dale, Monday, 12 May 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Scaredy Cat, Monday, 12 May 2003 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)