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Evidently there really is a new Killing Joke album coming - in July. Anybody heard it?

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 6 June 2003 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

And if it's lame, do we all go over to the Gathering and show them our bottoms?

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 6 June 2003 02:33 (twenty-two years ago)

My dear John, Alex has posted about a hundred times about this new album over the past months. ;-) But as yet I think he hasn't heard it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 June 2003 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Grohl with the Joke -- for Aja

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 6 June 2003 02:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Who dares mention Killing Joke without clearing it with me fuckin' first? I go away to Las Vegas for a few days, and the fire gets dishonored? Shame on y'all.

I've heard two tracks off the new one. Early reports from those in the know say the full album is a raging corker. Here's a play-by-play from a certain British journalist on the Gathering who shall remain nameless and his run-down of the album. For what it's worth, personally speaking, "Implant" is absolutely blinding, whereas "Loose Cannon" I could live without. Anyway, here's the low-down from someone who has heard it in its entirety:

1) THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION SHOW (6.56)
Opening lyrics, over just an evil Geordie chug:
"Mark out the points*
Build the pyre
Assemble different drummers
Light up the fire
Put on your masks and animal skins
Illumination, Illumination
Listen to the drums..."
(Drums explode...)
Then set off on seven minutes of steadily building fury, almost like a
Change rhythm but more complex. Fucking love it. Minus a few points for rhyming pyre with fire, but what the hell... Hell of a way to start. Drumming already sounds stunning. Lots of inspirational shouting from Jaz.
* I think

2) TOTAL INVASION (5.28)
Hmm, a slow burning one, very metal riff, Jaz doing very odd
things with his voice at the beginning, but storms into a huge chorus.
Wouldn't sound out of place on Pandemonium.

3) ASTEROID (3.24)
Hilarious and fantastic in equal parts, heads-down thrash
concerning apocalypse by said asteroid, would fit perfectly on
Revelations if you imagine it with a tinny weedy shite production, ha ha. This takes the edge off the day I can tell you. This album's Exorcism.

4) IMPLANT (5.18)
You've all heard this I take it - love it, reminds me of a cross between Nighttime era and Pandemonium era. With Jaz shouting about stuffing things up yer arse, which has to be a bonus.

5) BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS (6.00)
Superb, stunning, full on kick ass Joke with some powerhouse
drumming from Mr Grohl and some wicked Geordie moments,
excellent staccato riff and a great wig-out in the middle.

6) LOOSE CANNON (4.12)
Don't see it meself. Bores the tits off me. The last track
that should be released as a single.

7) YOU'LL NEVER GET TO ME (6.19)
Ever tried to imagine Requiem crossed with Jana crossed with
Stairway To Heaven... - have to confess this caused a tear
to well up when I first heard it. MASSIVE chorus, HUGE
chords, 'Eighties'-style guitar motif, Jaz on top form.

8) SEEING RED (5.27)
Absolutely positively one of the best songs Killing Joke have
ever written. No really - already in my all time top five I'd say.
Contains the top sarcastic Jaz lyric: "Kiss the arse of Uncle Sam,
Oh to be an English man..."
Starts with an insistent riff similar to Blood On Your Hands,
then some real tight and funky drumming and then a vast
amount of beautiful guitar, followed by Jaz delivering
some of the best lyrics of the album, and a chord sequence that could only be KJ (you'll know what I mean when you hear it). A fucking classic. And it rocks like a bastard.

9) DARK FORCES (6.26)
Starts with pulsing strings and Jaz doing the weird voice thing
for a bit, chugs into a slow, er, chugging thing (it's late, I'm
tired). Not my fave. But haven't listened to it enough yet.

10) THE HOUSE THAT PAIN BUILT (6.17)
More heavy chugging but gets going into something
more explosive, reminds me of Extremeties era. Still
listening to this one.

Only a couple of tracks don't do it for me so far - I call that
a goddam result. See you down the front. More thoughts as they come.
All opinions in this email are probably wrong.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 6 June 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

alex in Owning Killing Joke Thread Shockah.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Friday, 6 June 2003 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.visionengineer.com/mech/fire.jpg

Dee the Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 7 June 2003 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I've just got the album.

mei (mei), Saturday, 7 June 2003 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

:-)

mei (mei), Saturday, 7 June 2003 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Hurrah! I started this thread mainly as a way of asking Alex "how's the new Killing Joke?" I'm not near the fanatic that you are, A., but at the same time they were one of only three bands whose T-shirt I would have been willing to wear in high school (the others: the Birthday Party, and I couldn't find a BP T-shirt, and the New York Dollas, and man was that shirt ugly). But I lost touch after the "Let's All Go to the Fire Dances" single. If their new one was the best one ever it'd make me really, really happy.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 7 June 2003 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

"New York Dollas"

good God this is one nasty hangover

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 7 June 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

THE BIRTHDAY PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*ahem* Sorry 'bout that, folks.

*returns to making dinner*

Dee the Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 7 June 2003 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I have a lovely Birthday Party shirt, actually, though it's a bit...ahem...."form fitting" these days, if you smell what I'm cookin'.

Back on the Killing Joke front, early reports that the video for the forthcoming single, "Loose Cannon" (roundly derided by we the faithful as the worst possible choice of single) comes with an equally appalling video. Though, to be fair, Killing Joke have never made very many great vids. They're usually pretty damn poor. For every brilliant clip of theirs (say, "Eighties" for example), there's about three embarassing ones ("Democracy," "Pandemonium" and "America" are all virtually unwatchable). The vid for "Money is Not Our God" is alright, and "Millenium" has some eye-catching moments, but they're not classics. For me, "Eighties" and "A New Day" are their finest video moments.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 7 June 2003 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Through the good graces of the gods, I've now heard a few more tracks from the forthcoming disc (having already had a new part in my hair cleared by the furious frenzy of "Implant"), notably "The Death & Resurrection Show," "Total Invasion" and "Dark Forces."

Of the three, my favorite is unequivocably "The Death & Resurrection Show,"....it's just such a fucking' OPUS, really showcasing not only the brute force of the band (the fact that they can both blow your doors right the fuck off, and stop & change on a dime), but Jaz is *SO INTO THIS PROJECT* Compared to these tracks, Jaz's work on DEMOCRACY just sounds so phoned-in. Jaz hasn't sounded this committed in fucking EONS. There's still that ***THICKNESS*** of sound that marked the last two records, but Geordie's guitars are less muddled....more chugging, as good Sir ____ _____ states above.

Second choice is "Dark Forces," wherein Jaz sincerely sounds like he's coming (more) unglued (than usual), sounding a bit like Nik Fiend from Alien Sex Fiend circa-Acid Bath (which was produced by Youth, incidentally). "....OF THE FOULS OF THE AIR AND THE FISH OF THE SEA!" is very decidedly not my favorite lyric, truthfully, but it's delivered with so much urgent conviction that I'll forgive it. There's a great E X P A N S E of sound here (even four minutes into it, when Jaz sounds like he crawling on his belly right into the wax-caked labywrinth of your ear) that I'm sure it's going to sound like a vast burning cathedral of abject horror when I finally get to play it on a proper stereo.

Last stop, "Total Invasion." Jaz still gurgling like someone slipped him some severely bad acid, ruminating bitterly about current events as he writhes on the studio floor, smearing himself in his own filth. I'm not entirely won over by the lyrics on this one either -- some weak rhymes and a bit too obvious in certain spats (Jaz, somewhat predictably, has some very pointed opinions about the way the United States and Britain are conducting themselves in regards to recent developments in, oh, say, Afghanistan, Iraq and Israel), but once again....such somewhat expected contrivances are redeemed via a delivery fueled with palpable, bug-eyed apoplexy.

Speaking as a biased yet still practical observer, those who are convinced that Jaz Coleman is a pantomime Nostradamus with a tenuous grasp on sanity will find little to be surprised by here, but probably much to laugh at (Jaz's phlegmy vocal theatrics on "Dark Forces" and "Total Invasion" gave even me -- the zealot -- a small semblance of pause), but at the end of the day, his histrionics are no sillier than those practiced by seemingly unimpeachable clout-magnets like, say, Thom Yorke or Bjork.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 14 June 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

yes but Yorke and Bjork's fanbases give each other enough reacharound for the one to justify the other's excesses in all cases - which is a neat trick, I have to admit

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 14 June 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Did you ever see that episode of Space Ghost when Space Ghost was married to Bjork and tried to sell her to Thom Yorke? It was pretty cool.

(sorry: fwiw the only track I've heard is Implant and as I already told Alex, I think it's terrific)

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 15 June 2003 02:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I just want to butt in and ask if "New York Dollas" is Jay-Z's new glam rock side project.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:36 (twenty-two years ago)

what would Jay-Z say? oh yeah: "YES"

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

When I am king, Jay-Z will be first against the wall.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 15 June 2003 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Not even a chance at a Jaz/Jay-Z collaboration?

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 15 June 2003 06:35 (twenty-two years ago)

The site is up. Not especially compatible with Netscape. I suggest Internet Explorer. And you'll need Flash.

http://www.killingjoke.com

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm totally controlling my urge to go off on Alex over Jay-Z right now. Normally I'd ask if he was missing his ears but goddamnit, I know for a fact Alex has ears.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 16 June 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

The war continues!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 June 2003 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever that track is playing on the front page of the flash site, it fucking scorches

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Nas to thread!

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

That track is "Seeing Red," and yes......it kicks a significant quantity of ass.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously, what exactly is so fuckin' great about Jay-Z? He's a mush-mouthed brigand without any real semblance of humor, humilty and/or human compassion. I admittedly don't really know stool from shinola as far as Hip Hop (nor have ever claimed to), but I cannot for the life of me hear what is so exceptional about his lyrical delivery! Were I the C.E.O of an organization in need of cutting back, he'd be the first pink slip recipient.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)

This is possibly the only coherent thing I've ever written about any artist I truly like; I am at a loss to put to words when I actually enjoy something. Or so's my story to Chuck Eddy when he asks why I'm 3 months behind schedule on my Turbonegro review. Anyway, that's all I'm going to say about this topic besides ALEX YOU ARE SO WRONG. About Jay-Z, I mean. The track on the website is good, you're right about that.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Naw Alex he's good, I thought like you did and then so many people were "John you gotta recognize" that I went ahead and bought an album & everybody's right, his phrasings are smart & understated and magnificently compact. And given Jaz's elocution on the new stuff I think you'd probably do well to step away from terms like "mush-mouthed" ;)

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

(though reading Ally's piece, I find myself noting that while she describes the "I can't see 'em coming down my eyes/so I gotta make the song cry" line as "wonderful," the word I've always had in mind was "awful")

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

but the real question Alex is why you have intentionally caused a Killing Joke thread to become a Jay-Z thread, I mean methinks he doth protest too much

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 02:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, J0hn is looking for a beat-down and a picture of Jaz with an insulting caption I see!!

"Honor the fire? Honor the fucking Rocafella, nigga!"

http://platinumplus.hypermart.net/jayz.jpg

PS John it's not so much the actual words in the line itself, it's more the whole play of the song, I tend to overstate the specifics of a case (sit down, shockah, etc). The lines themselves aren't Jay-Z's strongest but something about the interplay I found very touching.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 02:52 (twenty-two years ago)

That review of Ally's is STILL one of the best pieces of music writing around. Yes I know she gets embarrassed whenever I say it, but it's true -- maybe the last great thing written Before the World Changed on 9/11 Or However You Want To Think Of It, etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

hy you have intentionally caused a Killing Joke thread to become a Jay-Z thread

Because Nate profaned thusly: I just want to butt in and ask if "New York Dollas" is Jay-Z's new glam rock side project.

Moreover, I don't consider this the official Killing Joke thread (that being, of course Killing Joke - Classic Or Dud, Search And Destroy

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 11:29 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...
Sweet fucking jesus, i just heard "BLood on Your Hands," and I practically need to go change my pants. IT'S THAT GODDAMN GOOD!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 12 July 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

The new Killing Joke single, "Loose Cannon" is out today.....or, in the UK at least. I'm off at lunch to go see if the single might be found in the import sections of a couple of CD marts in the area of my office (not fucking likely, but hey....fuck else am I doin' with my lunch-hour, eh?)

Speaking of singles, despite having still not heard "Asteroid", "You'll Never Get to Me" nor "The House that Pain Built", I say with all the certainty of a new day tomorrow that "Blood on Your Hands", "Implant" or "Seeing Red" would've been *VASTLY* superior choices for first single to "Loose Cannon" (which, I must confess my opinion, should've been relegated to a b-side). The topicality and lyrical depth of these other songs (to say nothing of the passion with which Jaz delivers them) render "Loose Cannon" practically moot. I mean, here we all are in probably the most turbulent period of flux and turmoil since the second world war, and the opening salvo from a band with a head full of the bigger picture is a testament to how much of a "loose cannon" Jaz is? C'mon....who doesn't know that already??? I just think the band has more important, more timely, more prescient, more INTELLIGENT things to say in these other songs than the comparitively workaday sentiments expressed in "Loose Cannon." That the song is musically less interesting than its sonic siblings only adds insult to injury. I'm not saying it should've been jettisoned entirely, but it shouldn't be a single. There, I said it.

Secondly, I still can't express how encouraged I am by "Blood On Your Hands". By rights, Killing Joke have *NO RIGHT* to sound this fucking good after having been away for so long. I mean, seriously, it swings and chugs like music made by players half their age. To these ears, it's in the same league , groove & stomp-wise, as "Eighties" and "Follow the Leader" ------ you practically CANNOT remain perfectly still listening to it. It is simply galvanizing. Geordie's staccato riffage cutting through the track like a morse coded distress signal from within the jaws of a radioactive shark, on a mission to reap sweet, savage vengeance. *GODDAMMIT I LOVE IT SO FUCKING MUCH* And fuckin' hats off to Grohl who really injects some adrenalin into the proceedings. I think my only real quibble is the near identical intro it has to "Seeing Red" (Geordie staccato again). I know, I know -- if something works, ya stick with it (right, Wedding Present?), but until each respective song kicks into gear, they're pracically indistinguishable. A small point, though.

Even more so than "Implant" and "Seeing Red," *THIS* is the track I'm going to force-feed to the curious, the dubious and the nay-sayers.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

haha I had blood on my hands for like three hours in a nightclub in Barcelona, all the way up to my elbows, it was incredible. I'd been dancing like a fool, with the podium dancers, etc and at one point I saw some girls whispering so I naturally assumed they were talking about how enormous they imagined my cock was but after awhile I came off the floor and was laughing w/Bry and Lisa and looked down at my hands and arms. GOOD GOD. It was all over my pants and shirt. I started to freak out but Bryan led me upstairs to the bathroom like the professional he is and we scrubbed it all off, of my skin anyway. It all had come from a small but deep cut on my thumb, and finally I remembered breaking a beer bottle at one point. But I never had noticed. Like an hour later I pulled my lighter out of my pocket and it too was covered in bloody red smudgy thumbprints.

Great review, Alex. I'm going to have to hear this.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe the song is about you, Bloody Hand?

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 July 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"blood on your hands" recycles motley crue's "looks that kill" riff really well.

dan (dan), Monday, 14 July 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

That's quite a stretch.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 July 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm so vain.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 14 July 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

So is it getting a domestic release? I've been spending way too much money on records lately so I hope so

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 14 July 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

It will indeed have a domestic release. There have also been rumours that the first single in the US might be a different track (good move, if you ask me), but not sure. The UK release date for the album is July 28. No idea about the Stateside release.

Check with.....

www.killingjoke.com

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 July 2003 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, I am still giddy with delight that you liked "Blood on Your Hands", Alex!! I'm so, so, so, SO very happy. Um, I actually listened to that song m'self and I thought it was amazing as well. It's one of the best hard rock songs I've ever heard, really. But it's really, really touching to see a true-blue fan such as yourself go absolutely apeshit over something like this.

Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 03:04 (twenty-two years ago)

"Seeing Red" is apparently going to be the US single (appropriate, given its anti-war subject matter). I have a 3:29 version of it downloaded rather than the five-minute album version, so I suppose it's a radio edit, which would support the idea.

I'm looking forward to its release - as Alex said, it's a KILLER song and I think it'll make a great single.

By the way Alex, where the hell can I get my grubby hands on a file of "Blood on your Hands"? I'm dying to hear it.

Simon H., Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

That would be telling.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, a very nice individual with a big heart and without the fascist firewall parameters I slave under kindly obliged to pluck it from the cyberwaves for me, which was dead nice of them.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Just picked up "Loose Cannon", for those of you in the area who give a damn, at REBEL REBEL on Bleeker St. in the West Village (just west of 8th Avenue), the same place -- coincidentally -- that first had The Unperverted Pantomime some weeks back..

My opinion on the single in question remains unchanged, but it is nice to hear it on a proper stereo and not out of my comparitively wheezy computer speakers. The single comes appended by the "full version" of "Loose Cannon" (if you can tell the difference, you have a keen ear for minute, trivial detail and too much time on your hands) and the truly arguable "ultimate version" of that old Joke chestnut, "Warhorse," re-recorded with La Grohl on the tubs. T'ain't bad, but Jaz's vocals sound (a bit more) needlessly histrionic (than usual).

Also picked up the new Jane's Addiction single,....but haven't spun that yet.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

hahaha...Freudian slip...."WarDANCE", not warhorse (though it is one).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Latest reports......US release date for the album isn't until August 5!!!!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)


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