so is it ok to like undie rap if there's a pop star singing the chorus?

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― robin (robin), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i suppose black eyed peas getting credibility from justin timberlake represents a victory of sorts for the ilm mindset...

― robin (robin), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

also what does the chorus sound like
it reminds me of something but i can't put my finger on it

― robin (robin), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

That BEP/JT song is DEEPLY DEEPLY WEAK. Having said that, BEP were steadily increasing their profile anyway; remember that they were Dr. Pepper spokepeople based on exposure from their first two albums.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

all other undie ever? < / the ilm mindset >

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

(Also, Black Eyed Peas : undie :: Goo Goo Dolls : indie.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan is on fire today

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

BEP have some great songs. They also have some taint-lickers.

And in response to the thread title: if it shakes ya ass, it shakes ya ass.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

After their 2nd single I don't think BEP qualify as "undie" anymore. I haven't heard this track yet, either way.

― Bobby D Gray (bedhead), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

The answer to the question is yes, obviously.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

ILM were accepting BEP a while ago, albeit grudgingly, I think

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I already quite liked "Weekend" ("Request Line" was on the border between pleasant and irritating), and consider "Where Is The Love" to essentially be an extension of the qualities on that song - catchy arrangement + excellent chorus = what more do you want? I don't think it's ideological to state that "Where Is The Love" is obviously not undie rap, any more than "Don't You Want Me" is punk.

It's worth noting that the song doesn't exactly *need* JT for it to work, although I think there's a very savvy connection between what the song is trying to do and what JT represents. It's all about the guitar in the chorus, ultimately.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

um howabout those Canadian rappers with that great Nelly Furtardo chorus? are they undie*?

(* heard it at 4am @ Fu - dancefloor-friendly undie as opposed to chZZZGfucjkeat star wars stuff, probably)

― Ess Kay (esskay), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

IT IS ALWAYS OK TO LIKE UNDIE RAP

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

its such a mediocre song
i suspect that if timberlake hadn't drawn people's attention to it no one would like it
its like the ocean colour scene of hip hop

― robin (robin), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck that I heard it on the radio before I knew it was BEP or JT and luved it right away.

"positive" != "undie".

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Also:

Eminem - "Sing for the Moment": C/D?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)

REPRESENT, NATE

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

calling "Where Is The Love" undie coz its not about guns is like calling Journey postpunk coz they're not disco.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)

who said it's cause its not about guns?
its cause they sound like jurrassic five

― robin (robin), Thursday, 12 June 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Black Eyed Peas sound like Jurassic 5? It's you that writes the Allmusic "similar artists" thing, isn't it?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 12 June 2003 11:30 (twenty-two years ago)

well their whole attitude is similar
listen to the lyrics on where's the love
plus one of the mcs sounds very like on of the jurrasic five mcs,if i remember correctly
are undie and backpacker the same thing?

― robin (robin), Friday, 13 June 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

do we HAVE to use the word Undie? Jesus christ it sounds dorkier than panty rap!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 13 June 2003 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, are you asserting that it's not okay to like undie rap to begin with, or are you asserting that you must stop liking undie rap once a pop star sings on a song? (Ignoring the whole BEPeas' non-undieness issue.)

& Is it okay to still like the Neptunes if a cheesy pop star is singing over their tracks?

Even if he tries to beatbox?

― truant (truant), Friday, 13 June 2003 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Pharrell shows up on almost all neptunes beats, so I guess you either have to take them with a cheesy pop star singing over them or not at all. Actually that's not true. Kelis isn't a star so her songs are safe I guess.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 13 June 2003 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

"Yes, are you asserting that it's not okay to like undie rap to begin with, or are you asserting that you must stop liking undie rap once a pop star sings on a song? "

neither,i'm suggesting that the black eyed peas released a mediocre backpacker hip hop track that would have sunk into obscurity,but instead people give it more attention than it deserves cause justin timberlake is on it

― robin (robin), Friday, 13 June 2003 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

that track SOUNDS nothing like backpacker production. it SOUNDS gloriously pop and to be honest reminds me of the allstar remake of "what's going on" but only in the best possible way.

robin i fucking DARE you to find me a track from any prototypical backpacker group that sounds near as exhilerating, near as contradicted and happysad, and to be honest i dare you to find me any modern group but the blackeyedpeas (and i guess sorta that wyclef-brokered wannafugees that did what would you do) that draws so much from the POSITIVE aspect of the native tongues tradition.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 13 June 2003 04:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I could imagine current De La Soul doing something like it, but De La Soul are hardly backpacker - tainted by Redman!

What "Where Is The Love" demonstrates, I think, is that the key to conjuring up a return to the "golden age" is not the pop world taking notice of backpacker groups, but backpacker groups taking notice of pop. On both a what it does (sonically) level and what it means (contextually) level, getting Justin Timberlake or an equivalent to guest is so duh-obvious-but-great that it's amazing no-one else is doing it.

"What Would You Do" is a good reference point, but I always found that comparatively hackneyed and forced, like they were trying to fuse the two sides of the coin together but didn't know where the joins were.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 13 June 2003 05:38 (twenty-two years ago)

the litmus test: what does nate think?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 13 June 2003 07:10 (twenty-two years ago)

"exhilerating"? Surely you mean "enervating" or perhaps "draining".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I like Justin Timberlake more than Black Eyed Peas so maybe I am not qualified to discuss this one in terms of "backpackerism".

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Have BEP ever seriously been "undie"*? The first song of theirs I ever heard was that one with Macy fuckin' how NOT undie can you get Grey on it (chorus: "I love ya love but I'm thinkin' 'bout leavin'/so far you've treated me so bad"...which I hella liked by the way).

*I so agree with Miccio about this term, and "panty rap" is a genre I'd like to have a hand in creating

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 13 June 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you heard their first album, Nick? The first seven tracks = unparalleled goodness that they have never achieved since barring "Weekend" (esp. "Clap Your Hands" and "Be Free").

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh hell yeah, I was like OBSESSIVE over that first album! I even just got my copy back from my son's momma the other day (she'd had the thing for like 2 years!), and was a little surprised by how much I still liked so much of it: "Fallin Up", "Movement", "Karma", "Que Dices?", "Positivity", the game-show skits...ah, I hella love that album.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

they were great live back then too. when they had the dorky ass white boys in the band.

― chaki (chaki), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

nate does not love them = they are not backpack!

q.e.d.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is curious.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 June 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, also I am head of the ILM Pazz'n'Jop Crit Hivemind, BLARGH, RARGH

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Friday, 13 June 2003 23:24 (twenty-two years ago)

" the litmus test: what does nate think?"

For at least five minutes I was convinced Sterling meant Nate Dogg.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 14 June 2003 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

hahaha

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 14 June 2003 06:22 (twenty-two years ago)

the only real Undie rap I can think of is EU (who are allegedly go-go, which, from the EXTREMELY little I've heard, seems to mean Miami Sound Machine 45s played at 33 while Steve Urkel's dad goes "OW!" over it). This is if every EU concert looked like that scene in School Daze (which may have the worst ending in all of cinema, just so you know).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 14 June 2003 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

another example of undie rap:

http://www.hemisphere.nl/plaatjes/710522.jpg

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 14 June 2003 12:26 (twenty-two years ago)

(I remember this album because Sinead O'Connor told Rolling Stone back when they really gave a shit about her that Choice was great because she said Too Short had a short penis)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 14 June 2003 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I just realized that the true definition of "undie rap" involves the video for Hammer's "Pumps and a Bump".

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

ewwwwwww

― oops (Oops), Sunday, 15 June 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

haha i just heard this song on the radio and really enjoyed it
maybe i was just being difficult

― robin (robin), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah this song is great, it gets a little weak and 'funky' halfway through but then the chorus comes back, i love their nicknews understanding of politics!! justin timberlake f mc linda ellerbee

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

oh i hear this song on the radio all the time, it ain't that good

― unknown or illegal user (doorag), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

duane youre just spoiled by the 50 tape!! i hope justin becomes more of a hiphop chorus diva

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 04:44 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah well me i hope justin becomes more of a cleaner at a fast food restaurant or something. btw the station that plays this song is also thrashing "21 qn's"

― unknown or illegal user (doorag), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

altho justin isn't the worst thing about this song, true

― unknown or illegal user (doorag), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 04:54 (twenty-two years ago)

how incredible would it be if nate dogg covered rock your body!!!!!!!!!!!

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 04:57 (twenty-two years ago)

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