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Pitchfork reviews my 'Oskar Tennis Champion' album today.

As ILM regulars know, I support Pitchfork against the hataz when it gets discussed here. I don't mind getting bad reviews, especially when, as in the case of Mr Idov, they are from people who have clearly enjoyed some of my work.

But what I do mind is the subjective disappointment being fleshed out with a whole string of factual errors, as happens here.

I know people have raised fact checking before as a problem with Pitchfork -- someone said something to the effect of 'If they got this much wrong that I knew about, how much were they getting wrong that I didn't?' This review very much bears that out.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

So here's my detailed breakdown of the errors in the review, plus some other thoughts. (Copied from Momus website guestbook.)

>Pitchforkmedia.com reviews the new Momus record, Oskar Tennis Champion. Any thoughts?

All's fair in love and journalism, but that doesn't mean all is factually correct. I like Pitchfork because they review at length and intelligently, and I'm glad Oskar got reviewed there. However, to quote the reviewer out of context, 'I'm not that generous.' He's also not that factual:

>a lost lawsuit over a song about Wendy Carlos.

The Carlos case was not lost but settled out of court. The judge refused even to issue an injunction on the record.

>Written and recorded in Japan... the CD takes no inspiration from its surroundings.

Not true. Not only are there several tracks in the fake oriental 'spooky kabuki' style, there are also recordings of Japanese street cryers recorded from my window mixed into songs like 'The Laird of Inversnecky'. There are also songs written for Japanese artists, like Pierrot Lunaire, made for Emi Necozawa. The record is, de facto, 'Nakame-kei', just like the latest Cornelius. It goes, literally, 'from Nakameguro to everywhere' and it has that fragmented, magpie Tokyo feel.

>Song after song, Currie's trademarked sick wit is nowhere to be found.

'Humourless' is in the eye of the beholder. There's a lot of slapstick and macabre black humour throughout Oskar, as much in John's cut-ups as my lyrics.

>"Electrosexual Sawing Machine"

There's no track called that on the album.

I'm glad Mr Idov likes "Trans-Siberian Express", but to say:

>That was old Momus, I guess, unencumbered by tabloid infamy and money concerns.

is again simply untrue. The guy who wrote that song was much more tied up in tabloid infamy and money concerns than the guy in Tokyo making 'Oskar', who, rather than romping with teens, was trying to get through the death of a close friend and the end of a relationship. If the fun on Oskar sounds somewhat anxious, that's why.

>The new Momus is the kind of guy who stoops to include a minute of silence as the 16th track on this disc and titles it "A Minute of Silence".

Simply not true. The gap track is not titled 'A Minute of Silence' either on the album or on the website. I don't know where Mr Idov got this idea, but to use it as evidence of my lame sense of humour is absurd.

>If that's not enough, he follows it up with an instrumental reprise of the album's second track-- rendered in telephone ringtones! Oh, the fun!

Adam Bruneau, the 'he' in fact resposible for The Ringtone Cycle, reprises not one but six of the album's tracks. Wrong again! This is getting ridiculous, how many facts can you fail to check in one piece?

>awfulness has always been a part of Momus' gambit.

Who sets out to be awful? With Oskar as with all my projects, I set out to entertain and to stimulate. But pop music is communication, and it takes two to make a successful act of communication. A bad review is as much a confessional commentary on the writer's inability to do his part of the imaginative work. That's fine, no work of art can compel acceptance. What's not so cool is when spurious and incorrect 'facts' are marshalled to make the confession look more objective.

>his laboriously cultivated image of a postmodern ponce is binding and irreversible.

Words which will have to be eaten when Pitchfork reviews the 2004 release, 'Summerisle', on which the 'powdered wig ponce' persona is stunningly absent (as he is on at least half the tracks on every Momus album except perhaps 'The Little Red Songbook').

I like Pitchfork and I hope they continue to review my records, though with a bit more respect for fact.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

You artists are like MEWLING KITTENS who come crawling to critics dying of thirst. But you will find no milk in your bowl, you will find BLOOD. Come back to me when you get mo' beats.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Momus, at least half of what you listed above are opinions, not facts.

s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha! Can't fool me. It's Robin Carmody again, right?

phil jones (interstar), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

momus, tell us more about the interview with you in the forthcoming Modern Painters (it was mentioned in last Saturday's Torygraph)

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know, I haven't read it yet. A nice guy called Sukdhev Sandhu flew out to Berlin in May, asked me some questions, then flew back to London. The music-related issue of the magazine (including a cover-mounted CD, apparently) gets a preview launch at the Venice Biennale and is released in the UK in July.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

momus, if you actually started to wear a powdered-wig under your trucker hat i would buy your new album in a heartbeat.

scott seward, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

c(;-)

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

What slutsky said. Here:

>>>Song after song, Currie's trademarked sick wit is nowhere to be found.
>'Humorless' is in the eye of the beholder.

Your point is accurate, but are reviwers only to report on observable facts? ("This record features instruments and vocals.") You cite stuff you found witty, and others might; the reviewer thought you weren't as witty as you've been elsewhere. That's not a "factual error."

I felt for you when I read that review, really I did; I take bad reviews really, really badly, it's why I only ever review records I like. But come on, now. The fact that somebody didn't think your jokes were funny doesn't mean they didn't hear where the jokes were.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Momus should have just reviewed his own album.

Isn't that what you are ultimately aiming for, tiger?

Please leave the critic crap to the critic. And keep the artist crap to the artist.

Don't get me wrong. I love pirates.

gage o (gage o), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Pitchfork = Fox News of the indie world. Consistently and unapologetically innacurate, prone to hystrionic proclamations, inexplicably popular.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

surely they are entitled to their opinion?
that's usually what reviewing is all about, except if you write for the nme.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Pitchfork actually reviews stuff I care about.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't be surprised if they assigned someone to do a bad review because of your affiliations with this board.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I doubt that very much

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I was waiting for this thread to start (Pitchfork vs. ILM part 9,00,675,231!)... while Momus does take a little liberty with what constitutes a "fact" in his critique, I wholeheartedly understand his frustration with being misrepresented. Why should *making up songtitles* be a forgiveable journalistic error? Or the biographical mistakes - is it really that difficult to look up the facts of a lawsuit? It's just sloppy sloppy sloppy.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i always liked sassy's reviews all right

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Now Sassy knew how to handle reviews...

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

It is a lazy review, to be sure. An egotistical review with weak comparisons and bland views in general that tell far more about the reviewer's insecurities than Momus' album. The writer is dead wrong about "Eternal Youth;" and comparing Oskar Tennis Champion to that album is actually quite a compliment, I think. (I haven't heard the new Momus album). Fans of Merritt and Momus will know right there that the writer is grasping, NO hacking, at straws. "Eternal Youth" is in now way Merritt's weakest album. The review is nothing more than an attack on Momus. For an editor to leave all those personal attacks in an album review is quite unprofessional. I wouldn't even have read the review, but upon noticing the 2.1 score, I wanted to see where they were coming from... especially since many Pitchfork contributors share space with Momus on this board. "Write a song about this, asshole," the review screams. Hmmm, it's more like give up music journalism and fuck off, twat.

Tim D (Tim D), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

slurp slurp

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

An egotistical review with weak comparisons and bland views in general that tell far more about the reviewer's insecurities than Momus' album.
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Sounds like 99% of the reviews I read...

ham on rye (ham on rye), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

that review made me sooooo happy, even though it was terrible

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

as stated above, most of the purported "factual inaccuracies" are opinions... some things like the comment about not taking any influences from its surroundings would also be better if stated explicitly as opinions, perhaps by adding the word "apparently"... it's quite a silly review, though, as obviously no one sets out to be awful... that's a very daft comment.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Momus, at least half of what you listed above are opinions, not facts.

3 out of 9 = 50%? (4 out of 9 if I'm feeling generous)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I count at least 5.

s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

this is silly

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

it's a little sad, really Momus - it's pitchfork

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Really, M - I do feel for you, but think about what you're doing here: starting a thread to discuss the bad review your new record got. It's in bad form, man.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, one of the other reviews on there today, the anomoanon one (which sounds like a good record from the songs ive heard so far, the writer is at least write about that) takes a dig at the grateful dead. whereas really it just sounds like the writer is scared that he might actually like them, which is just silly. yeah i know this is coming from the point of view of someone who quite likes the dead (me), but im also someone who appreciates some of the indie music that pitchfork reviews. and im just sick of seeing their writers get all defensive when their pride is at risk.

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

it is better than actually writing them a letter over it though - there is practically no way to do that and not come off as a pompous crybaby, even if your complaint is valid (and to be honest I don't really think that's the case here: "he says I'm not witty! don't they have fact checkers over there?!!!").

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

god, what percentage of pitchfork reviews involve the writer coming off as being scared he might enjoy something he's not supposed to like?

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

it's the "house style"

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

countdown till ott shows up...99...98...97...

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

1, 2, 4, 6 and 7 are all factual errors. 3 is an opinion. 8 and 9 are willfully stupid things to say (and the absurd absolutist nature of 9 makes me want to call it factually incorrect as well). 2, 6 and 7 in particular (getting the names of two songs wrong and misconstruing/misrepresenting the makeup of a third) are shockingly poor.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.llata.com/images/danny79.jpg

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

'The new Momus is the kind of guy who stoops to include a minute of silence as the 16th track on this disc and titles it "A Minute of Silence".'

he's not saying you did this, he's saying you're the TYPE of guy who'd do this (in his admittedly wrong-headeed opinion). See LL Cool J's "I'm The Type Of Guy" for further explanation of this device.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I think artist interraction with record reviewers deserves its own thread, if it hasn't already had one. This isn't to do necessarily with Momus' thoughts above, but I really can't think of a time that I've read an artist's rebuttal to a review when I didn't think it was kind of pointless.

Yet, does that mean there isn't a good way to do this?

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, it's kind of sad you can't even point out blatant mistakes without sounding like a whiny pedant.

NA. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

you can easily rebut factual errors, but when doing so you should probably not acknowledge the opinions within, cuz you will sound like a crybay (like when Thurtston Moore complained about his wife being compared to Baby-Jane-era Bette Davis in Entertainment Weekly, revealing Thurston Moore cares what EW thinks).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

this is a funny thread.

I may buy this album for comparison purposes, as the one Momus album I have is very early Momus. I like it a lot.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Anthony, Momus's gripe is justified. If the reviewer meant to imply that Momus was that type of guy, he should have used the subjunctive. ("The new Momus is the kind of guy who would stoop to including a minute of silence as the 16th track on this disc and titling it 'A Minute of Silence'.")

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

true dat. I just wanted an excuse to mention LL Cool J's song.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh we oh. Ohhh-oh.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

TS: Electrosexual Sewing Machine vs. Electrosexual Sawing Machine

H (Heruy), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, today: Pitchfork Yes New York review in calling Yeah Yeah Yeahs track "uncommonly sincere" shocker

Sam J. (samjeff), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

http://server2043.virtualave.net/dubbha/webcam/wtf.jpg

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

from
This is another thread where we senselessly pick on Pitchfork

"I like any publication people dismiss as 'trendy'. I also like mags to get their facts wrong, because wrong facts lead towards fiction, parallel worlds and unreliable narration. So I'm with Nitsuh on the point that this thread has actually enhanced Pitchfork's status. It makes it a 'passionate subject', somewhat transgressive and divisive.

-- Momus, November 23rd, 2002.


mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/975000/images/_978449_home_alone.jpg

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

which I would still describe as growth! I am kinda radical in my opinion on this I gotta admit, I think recording the exact same album twice, identically, would still register for me as a type of growth - if there's a myth to be reexamined, it's stagnation

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Saturday, 22 April 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

Since Momus is so vehemently pro-piracy ("If I have to choose between industry bod and pirate, I choose pirate every time!!!!!!!") I figured he'd have no problem with me listening to his album before I throw down money on it.

Well, the album you want to hear, Mickey, was made available in its entirety on my blog before being released by record labels, on a voluntary donation basis. The mp3s are no longer up there, because the moment I signed contracts with the labels, I would have been infringing them by giving the record away free, gratis and for nothing.

Anyway, if anyone wants to see a video of one of the tracks on the forthcoming album, Frilly Military is online. Takes a while to load. It's from the poppy end of the record.

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 22 April 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

I guess "the free blue waves of the high seas of musical adventure win out over the fenced green tombstones of the money-property graveyard" doesn't always apply. :/

Mickey (modestmickey), Saturday, 22 April 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

It's a complex old world.

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 22 April 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

You are behaving like the biggest douche on Earth, Mickey.

Thomas: doesn't what you're saying amount to "I believe in the concept of artistic growth, therefore I find it everywhere I look"? How would you say growth manifests itself?

Ricky Nadir (noodle vague), Saturday, 22 April 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Noodle Vague, I know.

Momus, I agree. People are beholden to their circumstances. That's how it goes, doesn't it?

By the way, I like that song in the video.

Mickey (modestmickey), Saturday, 22 April 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

Momus: fantastic song. And great production - is that indicative of teh album's sound>

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Saturday, 22 April 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Momus: fantastic song. And great production - is that indicative of the album's sound?

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Saturday, 22 April 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry. Self-editorial process exposed!

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Saturday, 22 April 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

be careful not to cross the line of entrapment, mickey. also, we need to build cases on all these guys and your intel needs to be solid.

contact us when you can.

"john", Saturday, 22 April 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

it was "I Want You, But I Don't Need You". (both my friends were fine). great song tho.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 22 April 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

Mickey = 100% Grade A http://www.ngatraders.com/images/stickers/1017.gif

nervous.gif (eman), Saturday, 22 April 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

ha

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 22 April 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.homestead.com/PALM_Doctor/files/rat_animated.gif

gear (gear), Saturday, 22 April 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

Mickey, if you continue to a/request copyrighted material (and I don't give a fuck if it's direct from the artist) and b/link to album leaks as you did on the OM "conference of the birds" thread, I'm going to ban you from the board. It is the policy of the board owner that threads and postings requesting &/or linking to copyrighted material, leaks etc are not permitted. Got that?

Pashmina [ADMIN] (Pashmina), Saturday, 22 April 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

http://lollyslair.com/images/patchgenbitch.jpg

nervous.gif (eman), Saturday, 22 April 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

Mickey, you're also making a hell of a case for anyone who'd bust you for cyberstalking Nick. You're a tool, here's your coat, FUCK OFF.

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 22 April 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

isn't this the same Mickey who had the FBI crawling up his ass for piracy just a few weeks ago?

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 22 April 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

Gezactly. He is now having one of those weird stalker things because Nick is an advocate of free downloads.

Mickey, if you don't want to be treated like a felon all your life, please stop acting like one.

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

seriously, to everyone on ILM, i would be VERY careful about what you say to this guy, and avoid any and all links that he posts on this board.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)


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jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

i need to come up with some new material..

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

Scott: absolutely OTM. Remember kids: cyberstalking is evil and actionable!

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

Nice song, Momus.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

Thomas: doesn't what you're saying amount to "I believe in the concept of artistic growth, therefore I find it everywhere I look"? How would you say growth manifests itself?

In almost innumerable ways! I don't think "stagnation" is really even possible - if there's any really pernicious myth in criticism, it's that it's even possible to say the same thing twice: how can it even be the same thing, if it's already been said? It can't; it's repetition at that point, which is a speech-act of an entirely different order, and is to me a pretty interesting one - most of my favorite artists repeat themselves, and I'd say they do so precisely to hear how the thing being repeated turns out not to be the "same thing" at all, but to sort of open up onto other areas all by itself under the weight of repetition. I know this is all up-my-own-ass theory territory & vulnerable to the "it's pop music, not HIGH ART" but what can I say, it's interesting to me: I think growth is inherent in all processes, even decay is growth - I'm almost always more interested in the work of an artist who's said to have already peaked, not in the heavily mythologized/romanticized "early & hungry" model that pervades rock thinking.

One example of how growth manifests itself artistically is when the artist turns inward, which, when it happens in rock or rock-related musics (i.e. pop, not actually as distinct from rock as we tend to say around here), people tend to dismiss, often on grounds such as those cited above (not "hungry" any more, "repeating him/herself," etc). In most other fields of art, though, artists who "peak" early are quite rare; artists tend to do their best work once they've actually mastered the rudiments of craft. Rock/pop thinking has this privileging of inexperience that ends up equating competence with stagnation, and I think that's kinda bogus. But all these are just on-the-fly thoughts & I'm open to correction, it's not like I think I've got all this doped out; I'm just very suspicious of a model for criticism that I think often sounds phoned-in & over-reliant on some pretty suspect cultural cues.

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Saturday, 22 April 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

Fair enough, I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I don't know if I'd want to use "growth" as a term for all of that stuff, though. It's a metaphor with a specific bunch of connotations, and when you say something like "even decay is growth" you're using "growth" in such an odd way that it might be better to find another word.

I'll think about this some more in the morning.

Ricky Nadir (noodle vague), Saturday, 22 April 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

I also agree with most of what Thomas is saying... it just happens to have zilch to do with my point that the entropy of press interest in Momus is due to the fact that he refuses to feed the audience a growth narrative.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Saturday, 22 April 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

I had dinner with DJ Spooky a week or so ago, and he told me he's going to record his next album in Antarctica. He has to leave from New Zealand in a boat, then be flown into some research station on a helicopter. I wondered why someone would go to Antarctica to make a record. It seemed pretty flash, a bit unnecessary. But later I thought, well, it's something for the press to write about. Spooky's an old pro, he's already thinking about the promotion, the marketing of the record. Nothing happens by accident. It's a great anecdote for dinner parties, it'll look great in the press release, and the reviews will talk about it. And it'll make a nice chapter in the (auto)biography. "The growth narrative"? Perhaps not, but it certainly makes people sit up and pay attention. Better than just "here's a new album, hope you like it".

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 23 April 2006 01:53 (nineteen years ago)

he knows that penguins are hot right now. he's no dummy. just as long as he doesn't PLAY his album for the penguins. they suffer enough.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:01 (nineteen years ago)

like that song and vid

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:01 (nineteen years ago)

Momus you'll note that I'm defending you as an artist in this thread, but really, as I was saying to Jon Stewart last week over the Cold Senegalese Soup with Grilled Chicken and Granny Smith Apples at 21, it just disrupts a good discussion when you bust with the heavy name-dropping

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

sc. elbow to rib & drink on me obv

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

this thread makes me think of jj cale. i like people who do the same sort of thing over and over. people don't make fun of jazz musicians for playing my funny valentine over and over. or classical musicians and their insane obsession with bach or whoever. it is a rock thing. but it can be a book thing or a poet thing or a painter thing. people like to create narratives that involve some sort of forward motion. this was his blue period, and then he got laid, and this is when he went to war and he did this when he was sad one day and his life was a motherfucking tapestry of rich and royal hues. people like stories that add up to a life. or a life that makes a good story. that's on them though, if you ask me. artists do get bored though and move on and this fuels the fire of the myth of originality and innovation.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:12 (nineteen years ago)

jesus,i'm not even drunk. i better go to bed.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:12 (nineteen years ago)

There, of course, IS such a thing as stagnation. In nature, it comes about when energy cannot flow freely. "Stagnation" is a metaphor in criticism, but it can be an apt one. Is there some sort of mental blockage reflected in the creation of this piece of art that makes it ... well ... stink?

So, I think "growth" is valid also. The human soul, reflected in art, grows too, but not as much when there are ... blockages.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 23 April 2006 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

momus wants to be a bro, but he's just another hoe.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 23 April 2006 04:49 (nineteen years ago)

And it'll make a nice chapter in the (auto)biography

the thought of dj spooky actually sitting down one day to write an autobiography makes me want to befoul myself.

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Sunday, 23 April 2006 10:46 (nineteen years ago)


If Mickey or anyone else wants to hear examples of Momus' stuff or anyone else's stuff without doing the whole p2p thing, there are a number of things you can do that won't take too much skin off your nose.

1) Sign up for a free radio station at a place like Pandora or Last.fm or Launchcast. If you plug in, say, Momus, that artist will get lots of airplay on your 'station'. This is how I discover new music.

2) It doesn't cost that much to download tracks from pay services like emusic - much cheaper than itunes and much easier than p2p.

3) Retail places like Amazon, and info sites like Allmusic often have sample clips as well.

No, I am not a shill, but I can't believe that people are still having trouble finding 'what something sounds like' in this day and age.

tipster, Sunday, 23 April 2006 11:05 (nineteen years ago)

tipster they don't actually mean they're having trouble finding out what something sounds like - that's code for "I believe I should be allowed to own it for free before I decide whether I want to pay for it"

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 23 April 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

"Frilly Military" is my favorite song right now.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 23 April 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

I like it a lot too, the "noisy" part in particular; it sounds confusing, disorienting. I haven't listen to a lot of Momus' stuff but I've read he's fond of that kind of thing. The verse (if one could call it like that) sounds very friendly. Like something form a children TV show like Sesame Street.

daavid (daavid), Sunday, 23 April 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

The psychedelic/noise parts of the frilly military video are ACE!!

Chris Bergen (Cee Bee), Monday, 24 April 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

That's John Talaga, aka Fashion Flesh.

By the way, I just remembered, there's a song on my new album called "Dr Cat" whose chorus sets the Pitchfork rating system to music, but ranking friends instead of records:

Essential and spectacular incredible friends
Exceptional; will rank amongst my all-time ten
Very good, above average; enjoyable friends
Not that brilliant, but I know we'll meet again

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 02:31 (nineteen years ago)

2.0

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 02:41 (nineteen years ago)

Nice!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

Ehmm..m. Sehr gut Seite! Ich sage innig..!:) bmw

BMW, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 07:42 (nineteen years ago)

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Wikipedia, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

Ehmm..m. Sehr gut Seite! Ich sage innig..!:) bmw

BMW, Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

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Automobile, Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

Gut! Sehr schoen seite! ^^ Wirklich! :) http://www.wikipedia.741.com

Wikipedia, Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)


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