TS: Mutant Disco VS New York Noise

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So, like, the revived ZE Records is issuing Mutant Disco next week, and the always enjoyable Soul Jazz counters with New York Noise. Aside from turning Yes New York into a bad joke, what do you make of these comps, and which of these are you more looking forward to hearing?

― Vic Funk, Friday, 20 June 2003 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

mutant disco has the better (read: not already endlessly compiled/reissued) tracklist and the better cover.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 20 June 2003 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

(i'd still rather listen to something recorded this year, however.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 20 June 2003 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Mutant Disco has "Deputy of Love," ergo it is CLASSIC. New York Noise has "Contort Yourself," which is also grebt, but the rest of the tracks/bands are significantly less interesting.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 20 June 2003 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

They *both* have "Contort Yourself," actually. The Contortions = James White & The Blacks.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 20 June 2003 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

contortions "contort yrself" >>>>>>>>> white & the blacks "contort yrself" = jbr is correct

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 20 June 2003 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I didn't look closely enough at the tracklist to see that Mutant Disco also had "Contort Yourself." In that case, screw New York Noise!

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 20 June 2003 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Jess, are you trying to say that The Contortions version is a different (and superior) recording? I don't know, and you're not exactly being helpful. It's like trying to understand a warning from Lassie. Is James White trapped in a well, Jess?

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 20 June 2003 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

the contortions do not = james white & the blacks

contortions "contort yrself" is from buy

w & the blacks "contort yrself" is from off white

comprende?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 20 June 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know. My guess is that there are only about 20 really good mutant disco tracks and they've all been compiled already.

I say this having recently downloaded Peter Shapiro's Wire guide in its entirety and found that everything I hadn't heard already was pretty mediocre.

― Ben Williams, Friday, 20 June 2003 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, this particular seam just seems stripmined, at this point. especially after that 5-disc 78-82 cd-r set scott pl. made, i don't really know if i need anything else from that era.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 20 June 2003 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

ben what issue was that shapiro thing in?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 20 June 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Feb 03. Lou Reed.

― Ben Williams, Friday, 20 June 2003 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

My (vinyl) copy is called *Seize Ze Beat: Dance Ze Dance* (or something like that), not *Mutant Disco.* (Does that mean it's a collector's item these days?) (I mean, that IS the same album, right?)

― chuck, Saturday, 21 June 2003 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I was always led to believe that they were the same band. I suppose they just both include James Chance?

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 21 June 2003 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

They both look great! Any comp that has Lizzy Mercier Descloux on it is ok in my book. Seems to me Mutant Disco is more uptown while NY Noise is downtown. These two along with the upcoming Rough Trade Shops Post Punk LP are definately worth getting.

― Jeff K (jeff k), Saturday, 21 June 2003 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Ugh. I look like a total moron in this thread. Who the hell is James White?

I've listened to way too many White Stripes songs today.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 21 June 2003 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, now I look like a double moron.

I need to go to sleep now.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 21 June 2003 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

If nothing, James White = James Chance.

(Places head in hands, begins to cry.)

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 21 June 2003 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Bah - so people call THAT "Noise" now??? Jeus Ex Machina with dried egg yolk in his beard...

― N. Ron, Saturday, 21 June 2003 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Why doesn't someone put out a legitimate (re)release of the "Grutzi Elvis" soundtrack, or even the 45 by Boris Police Band(a guy who made up songs from police radio transmissions, with 'backing tracks' of scanner sounds and lame drum machine)? Or Ut? Rat At Rat R? Practice tapes by Circle X or Demo Moe? Missing Foundation...maybe? Not 'funky'
enough, I guess...
I have to agree--the bulk of NYC 'mutant disco' has already been made available--though lots of screwball, non-fashion-victim noise from that era still waits to be pirated/made available.

― Stephen Boyle (SBoyle), Saturday, 21 June 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

ike yaaaaaaard motherfuckers!

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Saturday, 21 June 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Lizzy Mercier Descloux = better than anything else, ever?

― hstencil, Saturday, 21 June 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

whats the point of disco that sounds like bad guitar rock bands!!

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

hahaha, trife asking what the point is of something is the most poignant thing ever!

btw, real answer is Circle X = better than anything else, EVER.

― hstencil, Saturday, 21 June 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

hey all you rock heads who like rock band disco check it theres also this rock band who plays funk and raps theyre called the RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS so yall can just stop listening to funk and rap too, thank you soul jazz!!

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

trife, when the day comes that hiphoppers don't bite rock riffs, you may have a point. Otherwise, for the bazillionth time, shut it.

(p.s. come see the Smog show in Athens so I can make fun of you in person)

― hstencil, Saturday, 21 June 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

(and don't even ask about guestlist, altho if I'm feeling nice I'll give James Blount a +1)

― hstencil, Saturday, 21 June 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

oooh BURN!! shuttin me out the smog concert, im devastated

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

well since we all know you're a big indie pussy at heart, I'm not surprised!

― hstencil, Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

*gets popcorn out*

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

anyway my question about rock disco was sincere, why are you fucking with me

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

because you sound like a "Hey who put this peanut butter in my chocolate" strict-genre-line idiot, that's why.

― hstencil, Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah for real because indie fucks like you think that gentrifying every genre to be 'weird' and sound like indie rock is 'breaking down genre barriers', yo check my 'weird disco' albums next to my 'weird rap' odb and kool keith cds

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

The key thing to remember here is that mutant disco doesn't sound like rock.

― zzzz, Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

well i havent heard the fucking stuff thats why i was asking!! it gets talked about like part of that no wave punkfunk disco not disco 'yo im too good for donna summer and the village people but im a disco maniac with my ugly undanceable noise rock' crowd

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

hhahahaahaha, yeah go listen to Elephant 6 "keep it real" to psychedelia by not mixing it with anything! Go listen to hiphop that doesn't use any sample sources that aren't other hiphop songs! Keep it real, trifey!

and no, you're right, "indie fucks" like myself never listen to anything but ODB and Kool Keith. Not even l'il Nate Patrin, nosiree! And of course everyone who posts to this thread is an "indie fuck" worthy of insult, because they like new wave/disco hybrid stuff. Yep, mmm hmm.

It's like everything with trife is just one big monotonous circle going round and round and round and round. If you had anything to do on ILM besides bait people, maybe some day you'd "break the cycle!" C'mon, you can do it l'il trifey! I believe in you!

― hstencil, Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

trife if you'd click on the Mutant Disco link you'd fine soundclips. Duh.

― hstencil, Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

find. Duh to me too.

― hstencil, Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i think trife's point is a good crit of the way this lp was sold though: the name mutant disco is very aimed at in that old-fast new wave "it's dance music except for clever ppl" thing (the record itself isn't) (and lizzy mercier descloux is the best thing evah) (even though i dropped my copy of the first lp IN THE BATH!! so the sleeve went all big and puffy and the vinyl iwz never what is was)

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

bah i dropped the last bit of that post in the bath also

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

why are you talking to me? i know about e6 stuff because i live in athens and im friends w some of the people in the bands, i do like some of it especially in a social context, but i dont really know that much about 60s pop or whatever... anyway 'openminded' dudes like you always teamup on me for liking linkin park or puffy-sampling or whatever ACTUAL genre mashups there are instead of just filtering everything through the same bored music crit record store indierock aesthetic, yeah human league were so much better before they made pop songs, please just stop

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

actually human league never didn't make pop songs

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

lizzy mercier descloux s/d

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

actually human league never didn't make pop songs

I was about to say. They just made them poppier over time. Sorta.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

there is still a huge seam of amazing mutant disco / no wave disko (whatever you want to call it) that remains un reissued, regurgitated and repackaged.

― stirmonster, Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

well they purged the nerds

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

but then the nerds made pop also hurrah!

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

whatever happened to glenn gregory?

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

ok!!! ive never heard old human league songs but i saw a dude at this party trying to hit on a girl using his cred of liking 'old human league, before they were on mtv or anything' and christ i love the human league but why would you like them before they were on mtv!!!

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Implying that everything not on MTV isn't any good?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

also this mindset of shit being better and smarter and more respectable etc because its 'dark', like if its disco or human league or any synthpop whatever, fucking repulses me

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

the first single is an attack on the making of silk!!

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

"buddha's watching buddha's waiting"

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

they had slides at their early shows!! they invented mtv!!

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

it was all pcitures of thunderbirds puppets and stuff, the league were never dark

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought queen invented mtv!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

for the purposes of teasing trife, it wz the human league

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

"Black Hit of Space" is dark! It's about a pop song that destroys everything! It goes to #1 and then goes into negative numbers. Also the coolest meta-pop song ever.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

TS: indie jetpackers vs. undie backpackers

― Andy K (Andy K), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure that if Trife got over his anti-indie bigotry and sat down and gave his thoughts room to move around, he may be on to an interesting point about how records/acts are sold to certain audiences. But as it stands, it's just so bogged down in kneejerk genre bile and misdirected anger that it comes out making him look like a fool.

Come on, Trife. You can do better.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 21 June 2003 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

who exactly are you talking to, condescendua?

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Saturday, 21 June 2003 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

like, trife's right there

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Saturday, 21 June 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

christ i love the human league but why would you like them before they were on mtv!!!

As with yr "sincere" question earlier, you've mistaken exclamation marks for a question mark, which probably doesn't help with making people take yr "questions" as "sincere". Second, if you really loved the Human League, you'd know they existed for years prior to the advent of MTV.

Anyway, giving an answer to my own thread I started, I'm sorta leaning towards the NY Noise comp, if only because ~~it doesn't contain "Spooks in Space"~~ it covers more ground, and I prefer 99 Records/No New York to a lot of the material released on ZE. I'll probably buy both, anyway.

― Vic Funk, Saturday, 21 June 2003 23:45 (twenty-two years ago)

yo vic if you REALLY loved the human league youd kill yourself

― trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 22 June 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

You're weird, sir.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 June 2003 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

trife the real thing is that like james chance = white and the gang of four and others really DID like disco.

except when they went disco (i.e. james chance -> james white and gang of four from entertainment -> hard) the hipsters dropped them cold (yo jess what's happenin'?) and that's the real key there's a problem.

i mean yeah if the POINT is that genre-tourism bullshit sure. but if that's just the pitch to ppl who don't get it and the music's on an interesting path, no.

like arto lindsay and etc. rilly went latin and they LIKED it and hipsters were all "why don't they skronk anymore?"

duh.

(the moosic itself is quite nice, some of it, tho i recall wetherall's 9:00 drop comp bored me a bit. don't think of them as stripping disco, but enlivening punk)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 22 June 2003 06:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Amazing, I've never listened much to the Human League, tho I've got no problem with them per se. I don't think I'd talk about any music to impress a girl at a party, tho. Weird.

― hstencil, Sunday, 22 June 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...

**except when they went disco (i.e. james chance -> james white and gang of four from entertainment -> hard) the hipsters dropped them cold (yo jess what's happenin'?) and that's the real key there's a problem**

Gang of 4 *went disco*? DISCO? Come on - it's not recognisable as DISCO! They couldn't have done it even if they had a budget of £10M, unlimited access to Giorgio Moroder and Arif Mardin and a gun against each of their postpunk heads.

I do like lots of the Ze/NY stuff but a lot of it is far too tentative to really hit the heights of real disco. Try sticking a Defunkt track between say, Le Freak and Boogie Nights and just listen to the difference.

Best track on NY Noise is The Bloods - I've heard *of* it, but haven't heard it before. Sounds like Madonna fronting 2nd album Au Pairs. Nice!

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

and it has "Clean on your bean", "beat bop", "You got me" and "You can´t be funky"

― Jens (brighter), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Howdy, I don't really post here, etc... but I was wondering if anyone knew where in the world this thing can be found (Mutant Disco that is).

Can't find it in any stores, or online to mailorder. If anyone could point me in the right direction, that would be awesome.

― Adolf Hipster (A.H.), Sunday, 20 July 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

that is the worst name ever

― keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 20 July 2003 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree.

― Chocolate Moussolini (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 20 July 2003 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Dr. C is so much realer than Trife

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 20 July 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know what that has to do with anything, it's just what occurred to me as I read this thread

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 20 July 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Dr C is the realest cat there is!

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 20 July 2003 23:29 (twenty-two years ago)

What I would really prefer is a CD-R of Marcello Carlin's set on ResonanceFm the other week.

I picked up New York Noise yesterday and wasn't either impressed or disappointed. To me it's one of those CDs that will linger near the CD player for ages, and rarely actually go in. A Reference Library-grade compilation for sure. Not to say it's not enjoyable, but I would have preferred a 40 minute comp with more attention to track sequencing.

― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Monday, 21 July 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

the ny no wave comp is okay, but too much of it feels like novelty tunes played buy guys with unopened ayler records

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 July 2003 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

What I would really prefer is a CD-R of Marcello Carlin's set on ResonanceFm the other week.

Especially that one hyperrare song he played, something never anthologized -- it was The Shit.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 July 2003 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)

what was it?

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 21 July 2003 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I got a previously-unmentioned Ze comp called Seize the Beat last week, but still haven't played it.

― Sean (Sean), Monday, 21 July 2003 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Especially that one hyperrare song he played, something never anthologized -- it was The Shit.

The impLOG song? "Holland Tunnel Dive," I believe is the name?

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 21 July 2003 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah yes, thank you...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 July 2003 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I have an mp3 of it, yo.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 21 July 2003 02:20 (twenty-two years ago)

yo!

"An extremely theatrical manipulation of melody, rhythm, style, instrumentation, beat, and a machine that virtually destroys your record player." philip brophy

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 21 July 2003 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry about the name. I thought it up a year ago and thought it was really clever.
But anyway, no one knows where to buy this then?

― Adolf Hipster (A.H.), Monday, 21 July 2003 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

ny noise is grebt but is monochromatic (brown, maybe), while mutant disco is all the colours of the rainbow. fantastic stuff.

― zebedee (zebedee), Monday, 21 July 2003 11:32 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

Just got an email from ZE announcing a fourth Mutant Disco comp. Tracklisting:

1. Was (Not Was) - Shake Your Head (Let's Go to Bed Remix)
2. Tussle vs Don Armando- I'm an Indian Too (Remix)
3. Cristina - Ballad of Immoral Manufacture
4. Don Armando's 2nd Avenue Rhumba Band - Winter of Love (Mutant Disco Edit)
5. Aural Exciters - Marathon Runner
6. Junie Morrison - Tease Me (Arthur Baker Remix)
7. Rosa Yemen vs Stiff Figure - Herpes Simplex (Remix)
8. Twitch/Optimo - Contort Yourself
9. Was (Not Was) - The Party Broke Up (Mutant Disco Edit)
10. Lizzy Mercier Descloux - Hard-Boiled Babe (M-D Remix)
11. Alan Vega - Fireball (Mutant Disco Edit)
12. Gichy Dan - Action Man
13. Breakfast Club - Rico Mambo (Club Version)
14. Sweet Pea Atkinson - Somebody Could Lose a Heart Tonight
15. Garcons - French Boy (Filter Dub Remix)
16. Michael Dracula - Destroy Yourself (CDLS Remix)

Available now at <a href="http://www.zerecords.com/process.php?pname=ShowAlbumDetailsProcess-Start&CategoryID=3&AlbumID=109";>their digital store</a>, hopefully a physical release or digital distribution through a service that will take my weak Yanqui dollars soon. The (horribly formatted) press release alongside the tracklisting also mentions they're reissuing the Junie Morrison album; hopefully this means physically (and hopefully LP and not just CD) since it's been available at their site for a while already.

― Telephone thing, Sunday, 20 July 2008 20:36 (seventeen years ago)

never work with a label you idolise. they'll only shatter the dream. rip off c**nts.

― stirmonster, Monday, 21 July 2008 06:04 (seventeen years ago)

Harsh. What exactly did they do, if you don't mind my asking?

― Telephone thing, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 04:51 (seventeen years ago)

I was about to say "I love Herpes Simplex"

― I know, right?, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 09:56 (seventeen years ago)

Any chance of their reissuing the Aural Exciters album or Born To Laugh At Tornadoes (if they've got the rights back from Geffen)?

― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 10:09 (seventeen years ago)

Those are both up at their download shop; dunno if they've given up on physical releases entirely or what.

― Telephone thing, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 17:10 (seventeen years ago)

Harsh. What exactly did they do, if you don't mind my asking?

regrettable ilm drunken late night post no. 321. ok, basically they don't pay anybody. this didn't really bother me as i was just delighted to get a release on the label but they COMPLETELY screwed over a good friend of mine. i should point out that zilkha is completely innocent as he has nothing to do with the label any more.

― stirmonster, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 20:21 (seventeen years ago)

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