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...based on what you've heard this far this year and critical reaction. No, you can't include HTTT. So I guess predict the top 9.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 21 August 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

What about HTWWW?

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 21 August 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Is that out yet?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 21 August 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

What is HTTT? "Hail To The Thief"?

― Nick H, Thursday, 21 August 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

That's correct.

The acronym was thrown around so much here a few months ago that I guess I just imagined that everyone would know what I meant.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 21 August 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

singles:
1. crazy in love
2. like glue
3. work it
4. 7 nation army
5. so many men
6. cry me a river
7. ignition remix
8. gossip kids
9. la la la
10. lose yourself

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Wasn't "Lose Yourself" released as a single last year? And "Work It" for that matter.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

is it calendar year? or just the period between when the poll is published?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Predict Pazz & Jop 2003

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

It's calendar year. Also: that singles list has to have some 50 Cent.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

well, "work it" was number one last year so that would be quite a repeat.

singles (no order but this is the top 10 as of 8/03):

"get busy"
"beware of the boys"
"crazy in love"
"in da club"
"ignition (remix)"
"7 nation army"
"gay bar"
"rock your body"
"ghettomusick"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

round up all us ilx0rs who will be actually be voting and we can probably get a fairly solid, empirical calculation rather than a random prediction!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

shit, add..um...well let's leave space 10 open as the "wild card"

albums:

stripes
rapture
yeah yeah yeahs
b jaxx
outkast
r-head
black album
get rich or die trying
the zep live record
dutty rock, maybe

god help us if bob dylan releases an album

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

haha dave i GUAR-AN-TEEEE that the ilx'ers who will be voting in p&j 2003 won't even be able to reach a consensus themselves, plus we're hardly as whitebread as the 750-800 critics that voted wilco #1 last year (by "whitebread" i mean the gluten holding the random picks together...you want a lesson in pain start clicking on random ballots in any given pazz and jop and see what horrible, cliche taste 50-60% of working critics have.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The Masked And Anonymous soundtrack doesn't count? (It doesnt for me tbh and I think I'm fairly representative of the Dylan non-hardcore)

That albums list looks optimistic Strongo.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

what do you think is gonna take it then? (i thought i was being realistic! (i actively dislike at least a 1/3.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know, I'm sure there's something awful I can't put my finger on. Something that'll pick up a lot of 5-point votes. "Optimistic" = I don't think Rapture or Jaxx will make the 10 - Top 25, probably. Dashboard Confessional maybe? Grandaddy?

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

jaxx made 13 last time on the back of the biggest push they had yet. this could be their "play".

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

(please note i mean that almost entirely from a marketing standpoint!!)

and i think the rapture will definitely make top 10, especially with all the bloggers and webzine people now voting.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

mmm, good point jess, i have looked at the pazz & jop ballots before and they aint even funny (actually, they are in some cases) and i wasn't quite being serious, just rather overstating the point abt how many of us will be doing it!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not being deliberately daft, but I hadn't heard of the Rapture until quite recently. So I'm not sure they're quite in the public consciousness yet. (Because, you know, the world revolves around me.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

(Or, rather, I'd expect to see the New Pornographers or the Postal Service in the top ten before the Rapture. If we're going by blogger-influence.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

public consciousness != rock critics!!!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i have no idea what "black album" IS; maybe i'm just blanking out. it never occured to me that basement jaxx, rapture, 50 cent, or sean paul would have top ten albums; never even occurred to me that three of those would even be top 40, in fact, but maybe i'm wrong. (and come to think of it, rapture could get a pretty overwhelming hepster vote, and 50 cent a pretty overwhelming rap-crit vote, so i suppose it's possible they both do have a top-10 shot after all.) and grandaddy's album will finish way lower than their last one, since their fans (foolishly) all think it's a big dropoff, and nobody else cares about very them much anyway. (and i've long assumed "in da club" would win best single. "danger! high voltage," which will carry over votes from last year, will finish higher than "gay bar," though, i bet.) right now, i'd say outkast will win the albums, easy, with radiohead and white stripes finishing a distant two and three, in some order or other. junior senior's single could be top ten, too, though, right? also, there's lots of stuff we're all forgetting right now, i guarantee -- stuff that daily critics in the midwest will push up there (not that i have anything against the midwest, of course).
and oh yeah: new pornographers could easily finish top 20, at least.

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

christ, i forgot the new pornographers and junior senior.

"black album" = new jay-z, chuck.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

(i mean unless it's godawful, but that never stopped a record from placing top 10 before.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

well, it kept jay-z's last album from getting more than a couple votes, right? (though i forget how godawful that one was, actually.)

and people seem to like that new neil young album, for instance -- wouldn't be surprised if he's the dylan surrogate in the top 10.

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

my theory on jay-z (i mean, i'm probably not the person who came up with it or anything) is that he releases a crap album or at least mediocre one (where everyone says he's done, over, vamoosed sunuvabitch) and then a great one (or at least less-mediocre one) that everyone wants to hug him for.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

My candidates so far, if this helps:

Radiohead
Morbid Angel
Vital Remains
Mars Volta
Arch Enemy
Dimmu Borgir
Cradle Of Filth
Children of Bodom
Sleep
Grave
Strapping Young Lad

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

So, did I just totally miss the boat on the Rapture, then? Are lots of critics talking about them?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i dunno, i don't read free weeklies.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

life's too short, etc. etc.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Weakerthans at #1! (Okay, it's not gonna happen, but I can dream.)

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Fine, Jess, so on what basis do any of your predictions lie, then?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

equal parts intuition and superpowers.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I have to remember to remember to see if Manitoba is still great at the end of the year!

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

But "In Da Club" is a lock for #1 single. If not, I'm leaving the country

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I might've agreed with you a few months ago, Rob. But I feel like Beyonce could easily pull it off.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't get the Manitoba record. It's fine and all, but what's so top-ten about it?

― southern lights (southern lights), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh! Definitely. Though it's just not quite as long-lasting a single for me. 50's chorus is a little throwaway, Beyonce's verses are a little throwaway. Either way everybody wins. Dark horse- Get Busy?

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"get busy" will place top 3 for sure. it is the consensus dancehall/diwali hit.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha, I would've said that the Jay-Z part is the throwaway.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

An accurate representation of singles for me right now would just say "Diwali" in slots 5-10. Sean Paul will place high but part of my enjoyment has been hearing Wayne, Elephant Man, heck even Lumidee over the same beat for months.

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

jaymc, no way! Jigga is indispensable to that track. His flow is very casual as is his MO these days but that's part of what's so great- she's super-hyped up and half-crazy, he comes swaggering in yammering about chincilla and Ringo Starr.

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

The Sean Paul vote will probably be split between "Get Busy" and "Like Glue", which will keep him from ranking as high as he would otherwise.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Good point, Rob. Yeah, I am warming up to it, but at first it did feel pretty disconnected.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i was just gonna say that about the split sean paul single vote -- and actually, aren't there about four or five hits by him this year? i lost count, though my 11-year-old kid loves all of them. i like the glue one best, myself, and still need to get ahold of the album.

"cameltoe" by fannypack will finish somewhere on the singles list, i bet -- POSSIBLY in the top ten, though maybe not. their album has a shot, too, though probably less of one. i'm not gonna vote for either.

"get low" by lil jon and the eastside boys SHOULD have a shot, but doesn't. (then again, so should lots and lots of other things.)

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Led Zeppelin
Outkast
Radiohead
Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Neil Young
Lucinda Williams
Shins
Fountains of Wayne
White Stripes
PJ Harvey

Singles:
In Da Club
Crazy In Love
Lumidee
7 Nation Army
Sean Paul "get busy"
Ignition [remix]
Rock Your Body
...

― david day (winslow), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i wonder how liz phair, stephen malkmus, bubba sparxxx, and brooks & dunn will do. (i bet they finish in that order, more or less.)

also: the electric six album, which i hope finishes top 40 at least.

"rock your body" will suffer from split justin votes, i bet.

and i was under the impression that lucinda williams's fans didn't like her new album all that much, just like grandaddy's fans (and again, nobody else cares about her at all), but maybe i'm wrong.

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

and no way will zeppelin win; too many people (as i plan to) will decide that it's not really 2003 music, no matter how good it is.

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

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No No No

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh, I was thinking planets = Mars Volta

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, you're totally right! (I voted for them, for crying out loud.)

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Keith -- did the King Sunny Ade conspiracy work?

Sean Paul? Ragga Ragga Ragga!

!!! on the singles list.

Mars Volta has already been mentioned. (doh! Neptunes, sure)

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

People also seem to be forgetting the existence of artists from countries other than England and the United States.

I knew it! Weakerthans at #1!!!

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

still all americans, though.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

M83?

― marcg (marcg), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

t.A.T.U?

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

blur

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait, but I don't understand what these new hints are for, though. Surely this no longer has to do with multiple singles or albums anymore, right?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Missing country = Canada! Avril "I'm With You"!

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait, aren't Blur British anymore?? (I can never keep up with them.)

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I think they're pan-Africanist now or something

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

They are kings of shitworld.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Ellen Allien, maybe, on the non-US/UK tip.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Other non-US/UK: Broken Social Scene, Jet, Cafe Tacuba

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

(Although I do have a feeling Chuck means non-English-speaking, in which case only Cafe Tacuba counts. They're the Orchestra Baobab of 2003.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Kinky? (ugh)

― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 9 February 2004 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

>>M83?<<

BINGO!!!!!! They actually won EVERYTHING!!!!!

Okay, well, maybe not *everything.*

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah but there's no way Cafe Tacuba makes the top 20.

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

It'd make me very happy to see M83 finish high.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

But how would you feel about it sober?

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 February 2004 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Sleepy Jackson is Australian, right?

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 9 February 2004 22:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I should hope Radiohead would finish high in the P&J and get the credit they richly deserve for pushing music--and let's face it, culture as a whole--in intriguing new directions.

― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 9 February 2004 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

It should be noted here that Yeah Yeah Yeahs (and even !!!) may well not be the only local New York bands fond of redundancy. Not sure whether that matters or not, but it certainly is something to consider.

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Two more riddles: What letter appears on top 40 albums and singles list (among artist and title names both) in the most duplicate or triplcate or quadruplicate configurations, and how many? (For example, oo's, ooo's, and ooooze.) And in a pazz & jop contests this year between exclamation marks and ampersands, who the hell would win?

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm guessing there are at least two xxx-themed groups/albums and maybe three although I can't remember the third.

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

excuse the typos in my previous post, but you know what i mean. (unless you don't, in which case i guess you're out of luck.)

okay: here's a more serious question: among the top 40 albums, how many hip-hop albums, how many metal albums, and how many country albums place?

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

none of the third unless you count Southern rock, a couple of the second if your definitions are as wide as Stairway to Hell's, lotsa the first.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)

The only country album I could see placing is Red Dirt Road, but I'm not sure it placed top 40.

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

i would like the 2 in the top 40 to be animal collective, but maybe it is the neptunes (clones and p. as a member of something else?)? does that count?

― marcg (marcg), Monday, 9 February 2004 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

> a couple of the second if your definitions are as wide as Stairway to Hell's,<

But what if they're not? How many albums by bands that MOST people would consider "metal"?

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Metallica, the Darkness, um... Zeppelin?

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

>>The only country album I could see placing is Red Dirt Road, but I'm not sure it placed top 40.<<

Can't tell you that. But I will tell you that Red Dirt Road was definitely not the country album that finished highest in the poll.

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

...not while Toby Keith walks the earth?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

And surely Johnny Cash's American IV: The Man Comes Around has to be right up there.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It'd make me very happy to see M83 finish high.

I'd be a bit astounded (not for the reasons you might think).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

(sympathy vote, late 2002 issue, reissue with the DVD blah blah)

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Christ, Raggett, now you're being as cryptic as Chuck is!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

You must be one with the Force.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

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― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

RIDDLE ME THIS, ILX! WHAT DO YOU CALL A THREAD THAT PULLS ITSELF?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck, it has taken every ounce of self-restraint I have to not chime in on this.

Looking forward to the issue tomorrow,

Your erstwhile intern.

― Joseph McCombs, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 05:56 (twenty-two years ago)

OutKast wins Pazz & Jop

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0406/xgautest.php

― slb, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 10:04 (twenty-two years ago)

New thread time?

― Sym (shmuel), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 10:09 (twenty-two years ago)

RIDDLE ME THIS, ILX! WHAT DO YOU CALL A THREAD THAT PULLS ITSELF?

THE MÖBIUS'S THREAD?

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

So who here was the closest?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 12 February 2004 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

You'll have to trust me, but this was my guess I think circa the November thread revival...

1. The White Stripes, Elephant
2. Fountains of Wayne, Welcome Interstate Managers
3. Radiohead, Hail to the Thief
4. Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Fever to Tell
5. OutKast, Speakerboxxx / The Love Below
6. The New Pornographers, Electric Version
7. 50 Cent, Get Rich or Die Tryin'
8. Elvis Costello, North
9. Jay-Z, The Black Album
10. PJ Harvey, <>
11. The Strokes, Room on Fire
12. Broken Social Scene, You Forgot It In People
13. Led Zeppelin, How the West Was Won
14. Dashboard Confessional, A Mark, A Mission, A Brand, A Scar
15. Beyonce, Dangerously in Love
16. The Shins, Chutes Too Narrow
17. Andrew W.K., The Wolf
18. Basement Jaxx, Kish Kash
19. Rancid, Indestructible
20. Electric Six, Fire
21. Justin Timberlake, Justified
22. Ryan Adams, Rock N' Roll
23. Calexico, Feast of Wire
24. Stephen Malkmus & the Jicks
25. Lucinda Williams, World Without Tears
26. Super Furry Animals, Phantom Power
27. My Morning Jacket, It Still Moves
28. Cat Power, You Are Free
29. Neil Young, Greendale
30. Jay-Z, The Blueprint 2
31. Warren Zevon, The Wind
32. Sean Paul, Dutty Rock
33. The Darkness, Permission to Land
34. The Rapture, Echoes
35. Ted Leo & the Pharmacists, Hearts of Oak
36. Al Green, I Can’t Stop
37. Dizzee Rascal, Boy in da Corner
38. The Mars Volta, De-Loused in the Comatorium
39. Drive-by Truckers, Decoration Day
40. Yo La Tengo, Summer Sun

41-50: Pink, Manitoba, Liz Phair, Kings of Leon, Junior Senior, Prefuse 73, Blur, Four Tet, Grandaddy

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 12 February 2004 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

my picks in November:

1. White Stripes
2. Outkast
3. Radiohead
4. Fountains of Wayne (groundswell vote from 30-something English majors who still aren't sure about this hip-hop thing, though I like the record okay)
5. Yeah Yeah Yeahs
6. Ryan Adams
7. Strokes
8. 50 Cent
9. Jay-Z (maybe higher -- hard to get a read)
10. Basement Jaxx

singles will be "Crazy in Love" -- " In Da Club" -- "Hey Ya" in some order.

I'll probably vote for 3 (maybe 4) of that top 10.

-- chris herrington (herringto...), November 21st, 2003.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Thursday, 12 February 2004 04:29 (twenty-two years ago)

apparently my 41-50 was 9 artists. I'm pretty sure the missing one would have been Rooney

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 12 February 2004 04:55 (twenty-two years ago)

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