More music journalisms we are tired of hearing

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1. Who'd'a thunk it?

2. Transgressive

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 22 August 2003 00:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

SEMINAL

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 22 August 2003 00:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Seminal is a seminal music journalism cliche. Stylus Magazine is rife with hoodathunkitz at the moment.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 22 August 2003 00:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

"____ is like ____ on acid"

― colin o'hara (jed_e_3), Friday, 22 August 2003 01:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22mark+beaumont%22+nme

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 22 August 2003 01:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

horrible stroby type on that first article - dont really understand that link tho!

― jed_e_3 (jed_e_3), Friday, 22 August 2003 01:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

"More music journalisms we are tired of hearing" = everything ever written by that fuckwit

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 22 August 2003 01:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha! you make me want to check out his stuff!

― jed_e_3 (jed_e_3), Friday, 22 August 2003 01:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

apologies if this one's been mentioned previously at any point...
but please stop using the word "chanteuse", unless you're writing for a french publication.

― Dallas Yertle (Dallas Yertle), Friday, 22 August 2003 01:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm tired of hearing people say they're tired of hearing "seminal" & "____ is like ____ on acid".

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 22 August 2003 01:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

"the best new band of [x-random-year]!!"

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 22 August 2003 01:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

"undie"

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Friday, 22 August 2003 01:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm tired of hearing people say they're tired of hearing "seminal" & "____ is like ____ on acid".
-- Eyeball Kicks (eyeball_kick...), August 22nd, 2003.

I was waiting for that one. Also, where's the link to the last time I did this topic? Where's my slap on the wrist dammit??

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 22 August 2003 02:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

"tour de force" is by far the worst in music and movie reviews. ive noticed allmusic uses the word "acerbic" an astonishing amount.

― tom cleveland (tom cleveland), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

"goatfucker"

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

use other threads please!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 23 August 2003 15:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

(my pleasure, mr. barrow)

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 23 August 2003 15:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

"guitar"

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 23 August 2003 16:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes, we should transition from that word to "axe" immediately

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 23 August 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

that or "shredcreator"

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 23 August 2003 17:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

"rockhammer"

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 23 August 2003 17:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Riffsprayer"

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 23 August 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

"radgnarler"

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 23 August 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

"nuff said" is my personal least favorite.

What the fuck does "undie" mean?

― Mister Snrub (MisterSnrub), Saturday, 23 August 2003 19:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

"oh no the MC uses too many syllables" and/or "oh no this uses '70s rare groove funk samples"

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 23 August 2003 20:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Rockhammer!!!!! Classic.

And yeah, what does 'undie' mean?

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Saturday, 23 August 2003 21:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

As far as I know, undie:(mainstream) hip hop::indie:(mainstream) rock. I think.

― David A. (Davant), Saturday, 23 August 2003 21:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

underground/indie as per undie rap...

"magick" is a word that makes me want to kill (apart from ian peman coz he can do no wrong)

"riddim" - it's spelt "R-H-Y-T-H-M" you spazwads... anything cod-Jamaican, in fact - especially when it's written INTO my bloody work by people!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Saturday, 23 August 2003 21:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Coxackie New Jersey

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks Davids two. I thought the term 'undie' was some kind of punning reference to underwear or something.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Sunday, 24 August 2003 03:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

"decidedly"

"soundscapes"

"sophomore album"

― roger adultery, Sunday, 24 August 2003 03:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

"sophomore album"
so...does this mean the bands third and fourth albums are their "junior" and "senior" albums. And if so, how many records does a band have to have before they get to their "undergraduate", "doctoral thesis" and "tenured professor" album?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 24 August 2003 04:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

The short, concluding catch-phrase-ish statement, like "class is in session", "groove on", "surf's up", that sorta thing.

― oops (Oops), Sunday, 24 August 2003 07:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

"buy it"... blech!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Sunday, 24 August 2003 09:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oops - I've been accused of overdoing that one, I admit. Right On.

(heh heh)

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 24 August 2003 14:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dave I thought riddim was a standard and correct term.

Like I see it on Greensleeves and VP comps and Jamdown comps and everything. It is appropriate to not speak of the Diwali Rhythm I'm sure?

Do ppl. just use "riddim" in *other* inappropriate places or do you think it should never be used?

(now playing: Riddim Ryders Vol. 2, Jamdown Records)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 24 August 2003 21:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

"meme" and "trope" - please leave them inside the classroom.

― view cart (cgould), Monday, 25 August 2003 18:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Since I work at one of the most provincial music-centric large newspapers ever, if I read the words "this local [anything]" or "grew up near each other in X suburb" today in an article that's about a band that actually happens to pretty fucking dull but is being called "thee show to see 2nite" I'll be not at all shocked if I have to take the el home with my hands covered in blood.

― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Monday, 25 August 2003 18:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Natch." I have no idea what it means.

Also, food metaphors, as in "Nappy Roots serve up a heaping portion of southern sould food." This is bad.

And also "something-cum-something else." It sounds gross and messy.

― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Monday, 25 August 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

cod-liver-oil

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 25 August 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

referring to albums as "efforts"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 25 August 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

i compared "Soca Gold 2003" to milk recently, sorry Tom

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 25 August 2003 19:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"natch" means "naturally"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 25 August 2003 19:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

more people should use the word "randy"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 25 August 2003 19:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well sure, but they would prolly spoil the word's effect, by not using "randy" in the loverly spirit that it's intended for.

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 25 August 2003 19:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Naturally"? Really? Huh. I guess that makes sense. I still don't like it.

― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Monday, 25 August 2003 19:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Rennie Two-Foot's sophomore effort is a heapin helpin of decidedly randy riddims."

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 25 August 2003 19:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Two-Foot, the seminal undie chanteuse, lives a stone's throw from this paper's offices, as does Steve Phoebe, her riffsprayer-cum-goatfucker tour-de-force radgnarlerist. It's like transgressive magick memes on acid, natch. Who'd a thunk it?"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 25 August 2003 19:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Okay I'll stop.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 25 August 2003 19:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Beautiful.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 25 August 2003 21:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Give Tracer a sec....

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 25 August 2003 21:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Referring to "a favourable disposition" towards something as "a jones"

― Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 07:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like "jones" because it gets across the same thing as "influence" but puts the agency where it belongs, i.e. the current band in question; taking sides: "longing for" vs "being influenced by"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

-mysoginistic (sp?)

-[Band Z] sounds like [band X] by way of [band Y]
I can never decipher these devices. And The Flaming Lips are used in them far too often.

― ben welsh (benwelsh), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

"genius"
I think some critics use this way too lightly.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 15:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can someone explain to me exactly what genius means? I hear it used in many different contexts. Many people are labeled genius and some are said that "have a genius." I've always assumed it means have the ability to create a prolific amount of great art.

OED says the word is rooted in:

1. With reference to classical pagan belief: The tutelary god or attendant spirit allotted to every person at his birth, to govern his fortunes and determine his character, and finally to conduct him out of the world; also, the tutelary and controlling spirit similarly connected with a place, an institution, etc.

2. A demon or spiritual being in general. Now chiefly in pl. genii (the sing. being usually replaced by GENIE), as a rendering of Arab. jinn, the collective name of a class of spirits (some good, some evil) supposed to interfere powerfully in human affairs.

And today it would seem to mean more along the lines of:

4. Natural ability or capacity; quality of mind; the special endowments which fit a man for his peculiar work.

5. (Only in sing.) Native intellectual power of an exalted type, such as is attributed to those who are esteemed greatest in any department of art, speculation, or practice; instinctive and extraordinary capacity for imaginative creation, original thought, invention, or discovery. Often contrasted with talent.

So, it's an inborn ability that's contrasted with talent. Well, what's talent exactly?

[i]talent[/i]

5. Power or ability of mind or body viewed as something divinely entrusted to a person for use and improvement: considered either as one organic whole or as consisting of a number of distinct faculties; (with pl.) any one of such faculties.

6. a. A special natural ability or aptitude, usually for something expressed or implied; a natural capacity for success in some department of mental or physical activity; an accomplishment (obs.).

Arg, what's the difference again? I'm almost more confused now.

― ben welsh (benwelsh), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 16:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

i only ever use it in the sense of 2., everyone plz copy

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 16:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

When referring to an individual, I've always throught of a genius as having an exceptional natural capacity of intellect or an exceptional natural ability of capacity (the talent side). It's always seemed to me that in other discourses it takes a truly exceptional accomplishment to be recognized as a genius.
I find in music criticism there are a fuckload of geniuses. There needs to be some sort of system set down, something like genius/gifted/talented/competent (and then the varying degrees of awful). So when a critic described an artist as a "gifted songwriter," the reader knows it's good, but not "genius" good.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 16:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

[Band Z] sounds like [band X] by way of [band Y]

or its cousin: It's [Band X] meets [Band Y] in a [pick a location] run by [Band Q]

― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 26 August 2003 16:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

"their best album since [name of their last actually good album]."

which, to me, is almost always a tip-off that it, in fact, isn't.

― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 26 August 2003 16:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree that genius is a word that people need to be careful with. I seems to be the highest term we have to exault a human intellect. That's something you don't want to water down.

I'm also curious as to if there are people that believe that there are no geniuses. It seems to be a word that's rooted in a religious setting. I doubt many critics think Bob Dylan is a genius because god blessed him with unnatural ability. Is this concept something we are still willing to accept?

― ben welsh (benwelsh), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 16:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tho, now that I think about it, I don't see a reason why the word can't be "secularized" to fit a more scientific worldview.

― ben welsh (benwelsh), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 16:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

ben you're muttering!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 17:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm afraid I don't get the joke.

― ben welsh (benwelsh), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 17:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

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