Deriving music from identity...

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An interesting (I thin) alternative to this - Deriving Identity From Music - "I'm not the type of person who listens to ..." Well? Even madder? Still happens.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yes this happens more than anyone cares to admit

― dave q, Wednesday, 27 August 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

So it seems!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps more people would answer the question if Nick wasn't parading his svelteness all over the place.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I think everybody is keeping their heads down hoping this thread will die in fear of their entire critical MOs being exposed to the world for the transparent ruses they are! (umm, notice I haven't contributed anything of substance either [*ducks out*])

― dave q, Thursday, 28 August 2003 08:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I purposely go out and buy stuff I don't think I 'ought' to be listening to every so often (this week i am a hiphop kid again; soon I'll be a dancehall kid, and then maybe an opera buff) just so I can try and avoid being pidgenholed.

I think a lot of people either don't understand what's being asked here, or else are scared of what they might reveal about themselves.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 28 August 2003 09:10 (twenty-two years ago)

the global pop marketplace is wunnerful eh? i'm not the type of person who listens to nepali folk music (ie i'm not a folk from nepal) but hey i can still have an opinion, can't i?

― gaz (gaz), Thursday, 28 August 2003 09:18 (twenty-two years ago)

This died a quick death.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 1 September 2003 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

When I read the title I instantly thought of how a musician will be inspired to write music by a particular person, not always a musically creative person even. Eg: how heavily did Happy Mondays really depend on Bez for inspiration? That kind of thing.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 1 September 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

...Or to what extent the far-away-so-close figure of Syd Barret continued to haunt the 70s Pink Floyd's collective unconscious?

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 1 September 2003 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I think its really the same as the other thread is the thing. Music IS identity.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Fair enough, Sterling, yet I'm more interested by the idea that it isn't. It makes figures like Syd Barret, Flava Flav, Maxim, Yoko and, er, Bez spectral, like ghosts or embodied archetypes hanging around the creative mindspace of the group, leading them in certain directions. Can we talk about that? Or am I just being a wanker? I am? Oh, sorry.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 04:15 (twenty-two years ago)

did you have a Bez colin?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, Jim, not in any group I was in. However I have been inspired by certain identities I have met at clubs and gigs to write music I knew, or at least thought I knew, that person would like.

You?

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

er, colin: 'i met a guy in a club and he was off his nut and felt like dancing so i wrote him a TUNE' sort of thing?

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 04:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes. Or a girl. It is frequently based entirely on a rather patronising affection for of young men and women in fabulous clothes.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 04:25 (twenty-two years ago)

To, in a sense, yoke the people I envied at school, the cool kids, to my rhythm.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

so the identity taken by the music is that of a kind of archetype of the social group?

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

That's right. It feeds back on itself, creating ever spinning circles of energy that expand outwards into wider social circles, and, of course, finally implode,. leaving a small, hard, cold core of critics.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 04:28 (twenty-two years ago)

we don't have a bez but we have one obsessed fan that sort of counts

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 04:31 (twenty-two years ago)

and his personality seems to somehow dictate the identity of your music?

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe not dictate so much as gently direct

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Describe this person, then describe how his/her identity affects your songwriting?

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

he nods off during the more tuneless numbers

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 04:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, so you're compelled to write more tuenful music as a consequence?

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

darn right! i trust them more than the people who wander off during the slow tracks

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 04:54 (twenty-two years ago)

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