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What music do you recommend i listen to from this genre. I got into fusion through In A Silent Way/Bitches Brew, so i've naturally progressed through john mclaughlin, but what next?

Jimmy Parker, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 00:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

All the 70s Miles stuff is great, Herbie Hancock has the (jazz)funk(fusion), The Mahavishnu Orchestra did some good records, Return To Forever are sometimes bearable. Not really fusion, but a lot of Can's 'Damo Suzuki' era albums remind me of a more straight ahead version of Miles' backing band in the 70s.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 00:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

A record that is a good listen that I don't see mentioned very often is Wayne Shorter's "Odyssey of Iska". It is one of his last records for Blue Note and it covers a territory closer to "In A Silent Way" than Weather Report.

It is a good listen.

earlnash, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 00:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm sick of all the slagging off of fusion. all the hipsters who listen to Prog rock but put down fusion need to realize they're practically the same music just made from a different side of the tracks. bands like Matching Mole completely cross the line of what's fusion and what's prog. there's some really amazing music put out w/this tag on it.

Weather Report, who almost everyone on ILM seems to hate has a few AMAZING funky, free albums. the first s/t, i sing the body electric, sweetnighter, mysterious traveler. all fucking great albums. sort of in the In A Silent Way mold, but freer and heavier. i know that the soprano sax takes a second to get used to (for me at least), but it's not just for smooth jazz. i haven't heard any of the later albums, and i'm sure they're just way too sweet, but seriously check out the early albums.

the first Mahavishnu Orchestra, The Inner Mounting Flame, album rocks my socks off - as do a bunch of the Tony Williams albums. heavy metal jazz.

Alice Coltrane made an album w/Santana called Illuminations that's pretty fusiony

Michal Urbaniak has put out a few freaky albums playing the electric violin and his wife Urszula sings.

and Zappa's Hot Rats (probably the only zappa record i'll ever own) is pretty fusiony

JasonD (JasonD), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Larry Coryell (who helped invent fusion) put out a lot of noodley stuff that I don't like, but a few of his releases from the late 60's/early 70's are more rock than noodle, and those are fantastic. They are, "Coryell", "The Real Great Escape" (dissed by jazz fans as a failed attempt at a pop album, but they're totally missing a great record) and "Lady Coryell" (the title track of which anticipates Sonic Youth in some ways). The last one includes a very strange attempt at a country-western song as well. There's a live album at the Village Gate that's sort of cool, but somewhat on the bluesy side, and for all I know there are decent tracks on his other albums.

dlp9001, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 02:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey, I started a thread on how much I like Mr Gone. I mean, it's total synth pop-jazz but if anything that should make it more lovable to this board. Other things I've been enjoying so far include Pangaea, Hancock's VSOP, Ornette Coleman's Dancing In Your Head (this is wonderful, really bright and uplifting jam with Moroccan musicians; one simple melody is repeated a lot and there's some beautiful soloing over a constant pulse and some of the greatest basslines ever), Inner Mounting Flame ("Lotus On Irish Streams" is almost breathtaking), Sonny Sharrock's Ask the Ages (some gorgeous melodies, some shredding noise, some celebration, some moodiness), and what I listened to from Jeff Beck's Blow By Blow (some really pretty intricate stuff in there).

NB I have a feeling that most fusion-haters aren't big prog fans either.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 02:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

Soft Machine's Third is pretty good too.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 02:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

I also like the Ottawa band Nero.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 02:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have a feeling that most fusion-haters aren't big prog fans either.

probably right, but there really is a hipster love of prog, but not of fusion
(i'm not necessarily saying there's a racial aspect to this, but....)

JasonD (JasonD), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 02:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

ZZ Top "Manic Mechanic"
ZZ Top "Heaven Hell or Houston"
ZZ Top "Thug"
BTO "Blue Collar"
Billy Idol "Man For All Seasons"

dave q, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 08:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have a feeling that most fusion-haters aren't big prog fans either.

You would have to define fusion a little more rigorously first - or is it nebulous a term as "prog"?

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 10:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

... or "hipster" for that matter

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 10:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

On the Weather Report tip:

Jimpster's "Domestic Science" is simply brilliant and an often overlooked homage to WR. His "Messages From The Hub" ain't too shabby neither.

nader (nader), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 12:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Billy Cobham's first record, Spectrum, is a stone-cold classic. The basslines are so heavy and Jan Hammer is raw. The original version of Stratus is much better than Safe from Harm (which I like!).

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Along the proggy lines:
Area - all of their records, up until Stratos died
Magma - Live, imagine if Can actually did play fusion. And sang. Well.
Tipographica - all of their records (see also Il Berlione)
Dun - Eros, imagine if Henry Cow had actual chops and played flute. Well.

Someone should reissue the first Wolfgang Dauner/Et Cetera record.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 17:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

Billy Cobham's first record, Spectrum, is a stone-cold classic. The basslines are so heavy

That's why Massive Attack nicked one of them for Safe From Harm :)

Ben Williams, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 17:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Spectrum is one of my favorite records of ANY genre.

Weather Report were rather hit-and-miss, but their song "Black Market" is one of my favorite jams ever.

I mostly came into this thread though to hype up The Tony Williams Lifetime, though. They're hella awesome. Their first album Emergency came out a couple months before Bitches Brew, which is widely credited as the first fusion album. It's not though.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 17:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's hard to draw a line between fusion and soul-jazz, not like it really matters. I just bought Miles in the Sky the other night, it was the only Miles quintet album I didn't have. The first song is probably a more direct and straightforward example of fusion than anything on Filles de Kilimanjaro, and this was two albums before In a Silent Way, or you could just say it was the quartet playing rock beat. In which case, there's not so much difference between Bitches Brew and Cannonball Adderley playing r&b grooves.

That's why Massive Attack nicked one of them for Safe From Harm :)

That's why I mentioned in my post.

(/asshole)

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 18:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think the thing with Bitches Brew and In a Silent Way was that they were jazz fusing with rock, rather than soul or blues. That had most certainly not happened prior to Miles Davis and extended family. I guess if you wanted to put a spin on it, you could say that the press Bitches Brew has received is as much a symptom of rock journalism being full of itself (or jazz journalism being ultra snippy and conservative) as it is a statement about the quality of the music.

Personally, Live-Evil is my fave piece of jazz/rock fusion.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 18:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Btw, that first track (Stuff, I think) is awesome. It's Tony Williams' fuckery at his best, and the 1-2-3-4 context really brings into sharp relief.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 18:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

four months pass...
If you are a fan of "In A Silent Way" and similar era Miles and related records, check out Joe Zawinful's first record called "Zawinful" and Miroslav Vitous's "Infinite Search".

"Zawinful" features different versions of 'In A Silent Way' and 'Double Image' both of which were recorded by Miles. The band is great including Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter, Huburt Law and Jack DeJohnette.

"Infinite Search" which was recorded in 1970 features a band that has John McLaughlin, Hancock, Joe Henderson and DeJohnette. Vitous plays acoustic bass, so there is a nice mix of acoustic/electric sounds and reminds me a bit of McLaughlin's first album "Extrapolation" in this way.

earlnash, Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:39 (twenty years ago) link

seven months pass...
REVIVE! Let's talk about fusion suckas!

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

i'm sick of all the slagging off of fusion. all the hipsters who listen to Prog rock but put down fusion need to realize they're practically the same music just made from a different side of the tracks.

OTM. Let's declare it NO LONGER HIP to hate on Fusion! The revolution begins here!

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

I always liked fusion because it was prog without the embarrassing lyrics.

And there's no "f" in Zawinul, earlnash.

nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:21 (twenty years ago) link

National Health was okay, if you like that sort of thing.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 21:05 (twenty years ago) link

I had two Brand X albums I used to listen to constantly, until I got sick of them or stopped liking them or something.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 21:05 (twenty years ago) link

Probably bought from cut out bins.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 21:06 (twenty years ago) link

Is Gabor Szabo's "Keep Smilin'" fusion? I love that.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:04 (twenty years ago) link

too many notes

shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:14 (twenty years ago) link

Hello, I am addicted to Dark Magus.

Hayden (Pow, Pow, Pow) (haitch), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

Are Bela Fleck and the Flecktones considered fusion or just dorks?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:45 (twenty years ago) link

Should I buy ALL those '70s Miles live albums? Can you have too much of a good thing?

Hayden (Pow, Pow, Pow) (haitch), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:51 (twenty years ago) link

For some reason I've never owned any 70's Miles (Bitches Brew doesn't really count, does it?).

*shame*

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:55 (twenty years ago) link

Aaron, buy On the Coroner!

Reed Moore (diamond), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:57 (twenty years ago) link

haha "Coroner"

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:59 (twenty years ago) link

I was at Dragoncon during Labor Day weekend...Chick Corea played as part of the convention programming. (He's an Elron Hubbardite.)

On the Corner is fantastic. It will make you wreck your car if played at the proper volume.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Speaking of Chick Corea, all y'all guitarists need to get yourselves some Frank Gambale DVDs, pronto!

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:03 (twenty years ago) link

You know that disparaging phrase "you couldn't GIVE THEM away?"

True story: Chick Corea made this "soundtrack" album for L. Ron Hubbard's "Battlefield Earth", called Space Jazz. Somehow, the Jazz Record Mart in Chicago -- this awesome, massive record store -- acquired a few remaindered boxes of the thing. Well, they just put them out there in the store with a "Free - Take One!" sign on 'em! And I think it still took 'em at least a year get rid of the suckers. It was hilarious.

Reed Moore (diamond), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:09 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, he was actually trying to get money for it at the convention.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:13 (twenty years ago) link

Dude I woulda took one.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:14 (twenty years ago) link

Speaking of Hubbards, Freddie Hubbard's "Red Clay" is genius

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:15 (twenty years ago) link

I wish L. Ron Hubbard had made a fusion record. Like playing bongos or something with a bunch of Scientologist musicians. You'd have all these actors claiming it was the greatest record of all time.

Incidentally, if you type L. Ron Hubbard into AMG it says Followers: Chick Corea. No joke.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:28 (twenty years ago) link

Edgar Winter was flogging a "Battlefield Earth" album at Worldcon in '89. Who will be next? Vanilla Ice for Dianetics?

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:35 (twenty years ago) link

Who will be next? Vanilla Ice for Dianetics?

That is SO unfair to Edgar Winter and Chick Corea.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:44 (twenty years ago) link

Well...yes. I'm very sorry.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:53 (twenty years ago) link

Coincidentally, I've got the first fusion album ever (maybe) posted over at the old mp3 blog.

dlp9001, Thursday, 16 September 2004 02:05 (twenty years ago) link

I talked about some 'turn-of-the-century' discs by John McLaughlin here.

Jack Johnson and Pangaea are my favourite Miles at the moment.

What about recent jazz/electronica/non-Western music syntheses (Freak In being an obvious example)? Are those still considered fusion?

Also, check out Fiuczynski's Headless Torsos' Amandala - post-Hendrix/Hazel effects-drenched guitar with impeccable chops both with the melodi lines and with the noise, good grooves, Latin percussion.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 16 September 2004 03:36 (twenty years ago) link

My favourite fusion albums:

Miles Davis: "In a Silent Way" (is this fusion yet?)
Herbie Hancock: "Crossings" & "Sextant"
Return to Forever: "Musicmagic"
Billy Cobham: "Spectrum" & "The Funky Thide of Sings"
Idris Muhammad: "Black Rhythm Revolution" & "Peace and Rhythm"
Flora Purim: "500 Miles High"
Eddie Henderson: "Sunburst"
Jamaaladeen Tacuma: "Renaissance Man"
Lalo Schifrin: "Black Widow"
Jaco Pastorius: "Jaco Pastorius" & "Word of Mouth"
Ray Barretto: "La Cuna"
Stanley Turrentine: "Salt Song"

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 16 September 2004 06:51 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, and "Karma" and "Thembi" by Pharoah Sanders, though I'm not sure whether they're actually fusion.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 16 September 2004 06:54 (twenty years ago) link

nickalicious otm re: tony williams' lifetime's 'emergency'! the first cut on that album is almost the platonic ideal of fusion. destroy when tony sings tho

jake b. (cerybut), Thursday, 16 September 2004 08:14 (twenty years ago) link

ten months pass...
Revive.

I've been on a Freddie Hubbard kick.

For me, Brand X has the greatest rhythm section of any fusion band I've heard. Phil Collins and Percy Jones...man.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Saturday, 30 July 2005 13:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Search Red Clay, Straight Life, then.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 30 July 2005 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Someone should reissue the first Wolfgang Dauner/Et Cetera record.

Most OTM sentence ever written on ILM.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Sunday, 31 July 2005 07:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Anything with Sonny Sharrock really [shar]rocks! Last Exit's Iron Path is a personal favourite.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Sunday, 31 July 2005 10:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm all about Herbie's mid-70's records--Headhunters, Thrust, Man Child. And there's also Flood, which is a live record from the same era that's just insane. You can only get it on import but it's very much worth it if you like this stuff.

Keith C (kcraw916), Sunday, 31 July 2005 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I've been listening to some of Gary Burton's 70s ECM records Passengers and Dreams So Real quite a bit this past week or so. I'd like to get Burton's record called Ring which is the other collaboration album with Eberhard Weber.

Has anyone heard Burton's late 60s records with Larry Coryell like Duster or Lofty Fake Anagram? They are pretty hard to find these days, but I have been curious about them for awhile.

earlnash, Friday, 26 August 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Eberhard Weber's 'Pendulum' is one of my favorite bass albums. Just layers and layers of electric upright bass.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
I've been getting into Donald Byrd's "Electric Byrd" and "Eithiopian Nights". I guess these two records are about Byrd's version of "In A Silent Way" and "Jack Johnson", neither of them get that far out with the improvisation, but they do capture a bit of that feel and really groove. There is lots of tape delay on Byrd's horn at times on both records and the groop gets into that this song can go forever jam on Eithiopian Nights. I suppose the argument could be made that neither are original, so be it, they are still pretty good listens.

There is also an article in the current edition of Perfect Sound Forever that has me interested in hearing some Eddie Henderson. I've seen his name mentioned a few times, but have never come across the LPs. I may have to search some out.

http://www.furious.com/Perfect/herbiehancock.html

I also did pick up Ring and Pendulum both. Eberhard Weber is great. The group on Ring is unique if nothing for the instrumentation with two guitarists (one on electric 12 string), two bassists, a vibes player and drummer. I've been on a Gary Burton kick for the last year and have liked every record but one. I could not get into A Genuine Tong Funeral even after a couple of listens, which is Burton doing some Carla Bley jazz opera or something.


Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 00:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm still liking the Sunny Jain Collective's Avaaz, which dips pretty deeply into fusion (especially the understated side of it) in the sense it's being used on this thread, in addition to being a fusion of jazz and different forms of Indian music.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 00:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't believe no one's mentioned Arti + Mestieri.
Worth it for the insane drumming alone.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

The Live at Carnegie Hall album is my favorite Burton/Coryell thing...there's a pretty amazing (feedback et al) guitar solo on its version of One, Two, 1-2-3-4.

dlp9001 (dlp9001), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Chameleon by Herbie Hancock is great, but it's more funk than anything.

I don't hear that much of a similarity between electric miles and most other fusion myself.

xavier (xave), Thursday, 3 August 2006 00:36 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I got one of the Eddie Henderson reissues with Realization and Inside Out. They are really great and I would definitely recommend them to anyone that likes Herbie's Mwandishi records or Miles Davis' Big Fun/Around the Corner records.

I went out looking for some background on Henderson and came across this article. It is an interesting read. The guy was also a physician.

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=573

Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 18 August 2006 05:30 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

felt the urge to pick up one of the early John Abercrombie albums in a store today but I behaved myself. should I go back?

sonderangerbot, Monday, 26 January 2009 17:24 (fifteen years ago) link

the stuff i've heard is kinda spacey and forgettable but maybe the early stuff is good

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 26 January 2009 17:31 (fifteen years ago) link

fifteen years pass...

General Motors pays for a short film about the economics of running a band. The band is Tide, a forgotten 70s fusion/prog/jam band. their drummer was sick. great live footage. The whole thing is basically about Capitalism! It doesn't have a happy ending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ySTmnmpOpU

scott seward, Saturday, 21 December 2024 15:28 (yesterday) link

incredible find!

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 21 December 2024 20:57 (yesterday) link

That's rad.

I love hearing drummers rip with, like, a 4-piece kit. From old Genesis to Tony Williams' Lifetime, it's wild what these guys could get out of relatively modest sets. Like, check out this Weather Report performance from 1971:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hIPu0Cusg

Alphonse Mouzon on drums. 4-piece kit!

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 21 December 2024 21:44 (yesterday) link


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