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best rock n roll label on the planet right now.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 15 September 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

they have The Pirhanas, The Clone Defects and the Dirtbombs; what more needs to be said?

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

and the country teasers!

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Are The Screw's Records any good?

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

i have 'hate-filled classics', which i was really into three or four years ago but haven't listened to in a while. i think if you like (or worship) mick collins and are interested in (or obsessively collect) his projects then you'll find them enjoyable. and terri wahl's voice is SEXY.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

and The Reigning Sound! and I think the next Lost Sounds record is gonna be on In the Red.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Blacktop - I've Got a Baaad Feeling About This! best In The Red record evah!

They've done a lot of great stuff. I think they were the first to document the revitalized Andre Williams - before a bunch of other labels glommed on to him - so big props for that. And the archival Gibson Bros., Consumers, and Pussy Galore records were all enjoyable, gracious tips of the cap.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

The Deadly Snakes' record "Ode to Joy," which is on In The Red, is the best rock album I've heard in forever, and for some bizarre reason nobody's listening to them or going to their East Coast shows. This is a substanial and serious shame. Check out "I Can't Sleep At Night," "I Want to Die," and "Oh My Bride" if you can find them.

― antexit (antexit), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 06:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i've heard and read alot about the label lately, but haven't actually heard any of the artists (i think). is there a compilation available to get a taste of what they have to offer?

― willem (willem), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 06:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan Melchior's Broke Revue, u fux. All should own something by him.

And if not by him, the Deadly Snakes.

― ham on rye (ham on rye), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 07:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Hunches! Hunches! Hunches!

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 08:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't got any!

― willem (willem), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 09:53 (twenty-two years ago)

That is your problem!

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 09:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Now tell me yours and we're even!

― willem (willem), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 10:30 (twenty-two years ago)

In The Red's really just coming into its own, I think. This summer's releases have all been great and ther next few things coming out - the snakes' double 7", the ponys LP & the mystery girls LP - are all supposed to be mind-blowing from what I've heard about them. The fact that they've managed to stay more or less completely under the radar throughout the whole Garage Explosion is mind-boggling. It's either a feat of willful obscurity or just another example of how solidly off the mark the press is with this stuff.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Ode To Joy is my favourite album of the year. It is very righteous.

I can never keep ITR and SFTRI straight. And aren't they all caught up in each other anyway?

And CHEATER SLICKS ROOOOL

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

in the red and sympathy are pretty different actually - sympathy releases anything and everything - including some amazing stuff and a lot of kitschy crap...in the red has a lot more focused aesthetic - a lot more noisy skronky blues-punk shit at first, but kind of evolving into more evolved soul-country-rock'n'roll shit like the snakes and reigning sound and some of melchior's newer stuff etc... while keeping on with the weird undefineable shit like the teasers and the lost sounds

cheater slicks are opening for the oblivians reunion show in memphis on halloween for anyone who cares

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Road trip anyone?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

i.e., can anyone pick me up?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

andre williams!

― stirmonster, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

boss hog's last album!

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"It's either a feat of willful obscurity or just another example of how solidly off the mark the press is with this stuff."

both of those things are a factor, plus the fact that they don't really do anything to promote their releases. i love what they put out, but it makes me angry at one level that they just throw all of this amazing stuff out there to die.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

What would it mean to be successful during the "Garage Explosion" though. Hasn't In The Red been around for at least 8 years? What are they supposed to do that they haven't been doing already? Has the "Garage Explosion" really benefitted labels like Estrus, Crypt, and Norton - all of which have been around even longer and would appear to be In The Red's peers? Wouldn't fans of those labels just bitch and moan about a bunch of posers playing in their sandbox?

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Remember the Garage Explosion of 93-96?
That was awesome.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

probably right, mr. diamond but i also agree with lauren that it is a bit of a shame to see these great records disappear without a trace sometimes. I wonder if its a conscious decision to avoid the publicity machine and "keep it real" or if its just cheapness/poverty or what.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I would go for cheapness.
I think it's up to the individual bands and their management to handle publicity.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

i agree with your main points, mr.diamond, but there is a big difference between having a crass go at flavor-of-the-month status and just making sure that your projects are looked after publicity-wise. i'll offer a real-life example, which has happened to several bands i know: band puts out record, books national tour, asks if they should hire publicist and is told no b/c label is handling it. band gets out on road, only to find that oops! nothing was actually done. so no advance press, low ticket sales, and a very demoralizing experience for all. stuff like this just depresses me.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

i've seen in the red covered in "the press" a number of places, although, no, not during the current "garage rock" explosion.

"garage rock" bores me pantsless though, so who knows.

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

don't blame your pantslessness on garage rock

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

i blame on a lack or proper parenting

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Porky Pig Style

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

how can music that makes you drop trou be boring?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

they released a live Pussy Galore album that sounds better (aesthetically and technically) than their studio records. I guess they know what they're doing.

Anaheim reprazent!

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

ITR bands I have loved:

Bassholes
Boss Hog
Cheater Slicks
Dan Melchior
Deadly Snakes
Knoxville Girls
Lord High Fixers
The Now Time Delegation
Panther Burns
Pussy Galore
Reigning Sound
Speedball Baby
Andre Williams

Hmmm, trying to think of a label I have been more consistently rocked by...thinking...thinking...maybe Orange Recordings, but they haven't released anything forever (though the quality of their bands is sooo hot). In The Red, indeed rules the roost.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

my proverbial hat is off to Larry Hardy, whose vision makes In The Red what it is. the beauty of what Larry has created in his label is that his conception of "garage rock" isn't one, like so many others, beholden to the past. Larry has a firm grasp that the best of the so called "garage rock" genre has always used the past as only an ingredient to fuck with and change -- a jumping off point as opposed to some sort of conservative reverance that mindlessly recreates a fantasy version of the past.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, as much as I like a lot of Estrus bands, they all sound quite samey to me. But even just the list I put above shows a very high degree of diversity.
Though Panther Burns is pretty beholden. But in a good, creepy way.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

how about Crypt?:

The Gories
Oblivians
Lazy Cowgirls
The Pagans
early New Bomb Turks
Country Teasers
Thee Mighty Caesars/Headcoats

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't forget
Los Ass-Draggers!

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Crypt is good. Didn't Larry have some involvement with them in the 90's before he started In The Red, at least in regards to their US operations during the hey day of them releasing new stuff? I could be completely wrong about that -- I might just be having another seizure while listening to Maher Shalal Hash Baz.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

was he ever married to Elizabeth Taylor?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

no, sadly his brother andy scooped him at the big show in the backyard where they performed several Al Jolson numbers.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

so what bands from the class of 1993 (to current) actually capitalized on their success from the "garage punk revolution"?

jsbx (major label distro deal)?
the bomboras (geffen deal for the swan song)?
the white stripes (i've still only heard one song)?

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Little Stevie

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Last night during Monday Night Football, coming back from a commercial ABC played the White Stripes "There's No Home for You Here" as intro music over a montage of football clips.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

as far as the class of 93, that would only include the jsbx and the bomboras. the jsbx got major label distro just because of Matador's deal, which really had nothing to do with any uprising in garage rock in the mainstream, and the Bomboras were signed to Rob Zombie's short lived vanity label.

as for the present so-called Garage Rock Revolution (which seems to be dying down) only the White Stripes comes from that world via Sympathy.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

the bomboras were on geffen?!

i think the garage-capitalizers most people think of are the d4, the mooney suzuki, the hives

crypt stopped releasing new stuff about 5 yrs ago, so they kind of absented themself from the "Garage Explosion"

estrus is way more the bore-you-pantsless school of garage than in the red, which as jack cole points out uses the garage thing as a jumping off point

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

the last bomboras record was released on geffen, the band broke up a couple of tours later.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember them being more surfy than garagey.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

early RFTC (the best ear IMO) kinda had that early crypt flavor...

as for the nu-garage stuff, I really liked about 60% of the Hives songs on their Poptones compilation.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

geez, I alway always forget about RFTC. I loved 'em before they turned into Doug & Slugs. Circa: Now blew my mind. Is it still in print?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

earlier yes, not unlike Los Straitjackets of Nashville who tread similar ground before getting into garagier numbers and vocals.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry "earlier..." is a reply to bomboras...

"ear" = "era" (i made this same typo on the "things to do in san francisco")

circa:now is still in-print, but the first record ("paint as a fragrance") and more importantly the first singles comp is really what's relevant to this thread.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

aren't the king brothers on in the red? they're amazing.

― sean marvin (williamtell), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, they have one album (their latest) on In The Red and one (their first) on Bulb.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

they have one album...on In The Red and one on Bulb

ha! a few years ago this would be unthinkable. but really, pirhanas sound more like a bulb band than classic in the red, same with the new country teasers. what do king bros sound like?

― Ommmm, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

ha! a few years ago this would be unthinkable

not really, bulb's earliest releases (split-financed/imagined with Oakland CA's BLACKJACK RECORDS) were very much in the spirit of spazz-garage (the first bulbjack comp has Andrew W-K's first ever recorded band "The Music Band").

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

gygax is otm. bulb even released a demolition doll rods 7 inch, which is compiled on one of the two singles collections.

as for the Bomboras -- the album actually came out on Rob Zombie's Zombie-A-Go-Go, which was distributed by Geffen. i believe Zombie-A-G0-Go only lasted for about 2 releases.

also, of note, one of the primary reasons Larry Hardy started In The Red in the first place was to release records by Mick Collins (a worth while mission if there ever was one).

also, in regards to the question about the Screws, the first record is a lot better than the second one, which was a bit disappointing.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i know he's a folk hero and probably a hell of a nice fella but i think the dirtbombs is actually the weakest link on ITR these days. "ultraglide" was OK, but all the rest of the dirtbombs stuff is so sludgey and dull it's like b-list seattle '91 or something. the screws were ok - especially when they did covers - & the gories and blacktops were great, no question, but even then it was the beefheart & machine covers that rocked more than the originals. and live - holy shit are the dirtbombs ever terrible...really depressingly awful... The Worst.

Nathaniel Mayer and The Shanks - that's the Detroit shit people should be raving about.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

i guess we will have to agree to disagree about the Dirtbombs. haven't heard the shanks -- what are they like?

― jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

What exactly is it that people like about The Dirtbombs? I honestly don't understand it. I get The Gories and Blacktop fine, but what is good about "horndog fest" or whatever? I'm not trying to be a jerk, i just honestly would like to know what it is people dig about them. 2 basses, no tunes, terrible drummer with a penchant for plodding, no stage presence - what's to like?

my suspicion is that ihe gets props more on the basis of his history than anything he's done in the past ten yrs. maybe that's fair enough.

The Shanks are jeff meier's new band - he's been in the go & the detroit cobras & rocket 445 (i think)... just good solid detroit garage soul but nathaniel mayer is this great old soul singer (he had a hit with "village of love" in the midsixties) and the shanks back him up. he's like everything I had hoped adre williams would be and moreso. really beautiful and tough.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

The Dirtbombs are fantastic live, one of the best live shows I've seen in a long time.

― ham on rye (ham on rye), Thursday, 18 September 2003 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)

The news Dirtbombs record absolutely kills, FYI. And I'm only loosely familar with the fella's back catalogue, so that's not really an issue.

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 18 September 2003 08:45 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, I understand that a lot of people feel that way - just wondering if someone could clue me in as to why they love the dirtbombs so much... but it doesn't matter, I don't want to belabour the point... just genuinely curious. I guess I'm mostly confused because I do love the Gories and Blacktop stuff - and I feel as if The Dirtbombs should be something I love, but it leaves me completely cold... maybe it's just a spasm of bad taste on my part. cheers.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 18 September 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Ode To Joy is my favourite album of the year.

Mine too! Well, maybe in the top-5. The Deadly Snakes put on a great live show too.

― phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 18 September 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

What rounds out your Top 5 phil?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 18 September 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, um, i dunno actually. i was in asia for the first 6 months of the year and missed out on a lot, i think, and ive been too broke to catch up. the broadcast and the grandaddy and maybe the super furry animals or spiritualized.

anyhow, have you seen them live?

― phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 18 September 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

nooo! they were here last year, but I was out of town that night, and then they were where I was the next night, but by then I was at home.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 18 September 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

oh you missed out. the deadly snakes are fantastic live. and pitchfork just gave Ode to Joy an 8.5 and "best new music" button... hoo-ray

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I just received the Country Teasers' 'Science Hat Artistic Cube Moral Nosebleed Empire' 2LP in the mail today.

Hats off to their mail-order service (take note, Voiceprint).

― Sasha Gabba Hey! (sgh), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 04:15 (twenty-two years ago)

The self-titled Boss Hog is one of my favorite albums, is it worth picking up Whiteout?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 04:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone heard anything about The Deadly Snakes/Clone Defects European tour that's supposed to be coming up?

― Allen Iverson, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I've grown to like Whiteout. It's a lot slicker than the other Boss Hog stuff, and at first I felt it was too Garbage-y. But as the years have gone by, I've notice that of all the Boss Hog records, that's the one I reach for the most. I think it holds up better than it sounds on first listen.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i would advise staying far away from whiteout, but i tossed it after only a few listens. i guess it could be a grower, especially if you really like boss hog.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

fungus is a grower. that record just sucks, sorry horace.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

(what do i know - that went into the MUST SELL NOW BEFORE THE USED RECORDS STORE FIGURES OUT IT SUCKS pile before i gave it half a listen... seriously it's bad - as is everything spencer has done for the past what? 8 yrs or so)

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

i had my politeness on, but since we're being totally honest here then i'll say that i think whiteout is an abomination and that purchasing it is a big mistake.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

wow.
Vive La Difference!

I've also mostly just taken it one track at a time, for occasional use on my weekly radio show, so maybe it does fail as a album, but has a handful of worthwhile songs that sound good in a specific context.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

six months pass...

revive, because i'm listening to the ponys record. holy balls, it's good.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

I'm just now spinning it -- holy balls, you're right!

― JC-L (JC-L), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

six years pass...

I finally picked up the last Lost Sounds record, the self-titled one.
It sounds like a fight between Jay and Alicja. It sounds great.
Can't believe it took me this long to finally get it.

― Trip Maker, Monday, 29 November 2010 16:07 (fifteen years ago)

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