The Dylan Remasters

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Got these today. Only played parts of Blonde on Blonde and Blood on the Tracks so far but holy fuck--even on my shitty little computer speakers at work the sound quality is SO MUCH BETTER than I'm used to on Dylan albums. It's pretty remarkable. Pabst Blue Rosen will go into a pleasure-coma when she hears "Visions of Johanna."

This is the thread where we talk about Dylan, remasters, remastering, the albums, and any other related matters you wish to address. (Bitching about his voice is not allowed. Sorry Ned.)

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 06:09 (twenty-two years ago)

oh fuck, didn't see new Bob Dylan remasters: meisterwerks for the 21st century or Evil Pointless Cash-ins?. nevermind.

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 06:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I already started a thread on this, but don't know how to link!
I agree though, so far I got BoB, Bringin' all Back Home and BoTT and I'm just floored at the amount of things I'm hearing for the first time. On BoB, traditional sleepers like 'Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat' transcended themselves.

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Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 06:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Umm, this remastering thing. If you went back to your original, turned it up a bit, wouldn't that be much like remastering? Are you just comparing it with your memory?

I am tempted to get Blonde on Blonde tho. (I notice the inside is not the pictures on my nice CBS double album...

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 10:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I picked up "Street Legal", because I couldn't afford "Blonde on Blonde" and it sounds great. There is definitely a difference beyond just turning up the volume and calling it remastered.

Charlie Rose (Charlie Rose), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 11:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes. The songs are so much more dynamic. Is 'Street Legal' cheaper? I thought they were all the same price

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Blonde on Blonde is a double CD therefore a bit more...

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 11:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I bought mine at exactly the same price as the others!

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 11:27 (twenty-two years ago)

are there extra tracks on blonde on blonde?
i have the (non-remastered) version on one cd

robin (robin), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

No extra-tracks, they just decided to recreate the historical sequencing of the double album.

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

robin: No, but a couple of tracks were edited on the previous single CD edition. Those tracks are in full length on the new double CD. Plus the sound quality is soooo much better than before.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Blonde on Blonde [HYBRID SCAG] is 9.99 on Amazon, like the others. Except one is more expensive at 10.99.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:01 (twenty-two years ago)

really?
edited how?
seems odd that they would release an edited version of such a famous album

robin (robin), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Sad Eyed Lady was slightly edited.

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I believe "Visions Of Joanna" was too

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

This was discussed on the other thread about these - "Sad eyed lady" and "Just like a woman" were faded out early to fit them onto a CD. Which is nuts as the gold CD managed to fit them all on in full.

Rob M (Rob M), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Both songs go on for ages on the single CD I've got (somewhere).

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

"Just Like a Woman" it was, yes.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

The orig. USA CD had them all in full.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)

one cannot over-edit "Just Like a Woman"

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 13:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Is "Street Legal" the original mix or the 1999(?) remix?

Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I like this customer review of the new Blood on the Tracks:

Too much purple, September 22, 2003
There is too much purple. I like purple album covers, but this is not a purple album. The music does not have much to do with the color purple. The original was definitely more red. Dylan did not have purple hair at this stage in his career. If you are thinking of buying this because it is purple please be aware it is really not a purple record. Moby Grape made purple abums with purple covers. Tell your kids this was not a purple record. They may think this was originally purple.

Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Bitching about his voice is not allowed. Sorry Ned

Oh that's all right, I'll just say you should give all the in-store credit from the older versions you'll be selling back to me, and I'll put it to good use.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

This may be a stupid question, but will MP3s from the remasters sound better? Or do you need the actual Super CD?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 23 October 2003 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Haven't tried it, but MP3s should def. sound better at the proper rate.

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 23 October 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Crap. I just bought most of the Dylan catalog at Fopp for five quid a shot.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 23 October 2003 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

That tin-whistle on Highway 61 sounds SO more vivid.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 23 October 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

hello christmas!

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 23 October 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

That's why Fopp's gottem.

Wonder if they'll get around to doing "Dylan"

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 23 October 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

that "too much purple" review is great. the cover and liners to "blood on the tracks" are very inappropriate, i'm almost inclined to use a generic white sleeve out of spite.

they will never do "dylan" because it was released as an act of vengeance when dylan momentarily jumped ship to asylum (the record label that is), and was shoved under the rug when dylan and columbia made up.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 23 October 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

p.s. as i noted on the other thread these remasters do sound absolutely terrific.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 23 October 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

They should do "Empire Burlesque." Make the gated drums boom twice as loud. (Seriously, I like that album.)

Sam J. (samjeff), Thursday, 23 October 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

wouldn't it be cool to do a remix of the '60s records replacing the piano and organ and drums with '80s-vintage synths and syndrums a la "empire burlesque"?

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 23 October 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

actually seriously i think that would be cool, in a modernist experiment sort of way.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 23 October 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd rather hear them with a Daniel Lanois production a la "Oh Mercy" :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 23 October 2003 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I bought Highway 61 last night - it didn't sound that different to the old one, to be honest. I didn't compare them on purpose - my logic is, if I can't tell the difference without comparing them against each other, the difference can't be that much. They havn't sorted that annoying glitch out in Like a Rolling Stone either (half-way through the first verse, it falls onto the right speaker, and the left one cuts out for abotu 1/2 second. That's always bugged the hell out of me).

They might be great on SACD, but for poor old me, I don't think I'll be selling up and re-buying for a while yet. Saying that, when I finally get round to buying Oh Mercy, I'll get the remastered one.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, 24 October 2003 08:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd imagine, since six of these reissues have been made available in 5.1 surround sound on the SACD layer, that they haven't just gone back to the production stereo (or mono) master in this case (which is usually the reason for a remastering programme; the original CD having been produced from an nth-generation copy) but back to the multitrack tapes themselves and remixed them through a better desk than was available at the time. Hence the dramatic improvement in sound, even in the stereo CD mix. The DSD process of SACD is probably just the icing on the cake.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 October 2003 09:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Is 5.1 the only advantage of SACD? Is is there something else I'm missing out on?

Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, 24 October 2003 10:30 (twenty-two years ago)

SACD proponents argue that it's an inherently superior and more 'natural' way of digitising sound than the PCM method employed in CD or DVD-audio.

At the heart of SACD is the Direct Stream Digital process - samples are taken at 64 times the rate of CD but ascribed single-bit relative values rather than absolute integer values, so that the process effectively maps the waveform in terms of successive changes rather than a more widely-space series of snapshot values.

It appears to be an elegant process which obviates the need for brickwall filtering on playback but there are some problems with actually making it work (loss of noise-shaping is required) and the PCM camp claim that 24bit/192k is essentially transparent, more accurate than DSD and more data efficient.

There's been lots and lots of banter about this on Usenet - just don't look in rec.audio.opinion.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 October 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Do these releases effectively put a death nail in DVD-A. I know that audiophiles all prefer SACD - i was just hoping that DVD-A would offer some semblance of standardization.

christoff (christoff), Friday, 24 October 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

The rolling stones SACD remasters for the most part sound insanely great even on regular cd players, and on the SACD player at a shop I listened to them with, it sounded so good it was ridiculous. I'm so glad Dylan is getting this treatment, another case where the CDs just sound like shit, very excited. Selling all my junky old versions back ASAP.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 24 October 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
does anybody know if any more of dylans albums will be remastered? and when? cant listen 2 the oldies no more....

subutai, Sunday, 9 October 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

Can someone please break down the difference for me between the 2003 remasters that come in digipaks and those in jewel cases?

Is the sound any different if I don't have an SACD player? Are there better liner notes in one than the other? I found JWH, among many others, priced at $8.99 (jewel) vs. $11.99 (digipak)...why is this?

Help and thank you.

Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 00:38 (seventeen years ago)

SACDs are dual layer - one layer is the SACD information and the other is normal CD. the jewel case versions would, i'd imagine, just have the CD layer. yes you will notice a difference, the remastering is quite good. i comparemy copies of the remastered 'blonde on blonde' and 'bringing it all back home' to the old 'highway 61 revisited' - the former are clear and punchy, the latter is murkier and the sound level has annoying drop-outs.

Deep House, M.D. (haitch), Wednesday, 15 October 2008 00:56 (seventeen years ago)

I imagine that as far as the ordinary CD layer goes, there's no difference at all between the digipacks and the later versions in clear-tray jewel cases (not the old ones with the blocky red lettering on the spine and the "compact disc digital audio" symbol in the corner on the cover).

eatandoph, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 01:02 (seventeen years ago)

right, there is no difference b/w the non-sacd layers on these masterings. the sacd layer, if you have an sacd capable player, does sound better than the normal cd layer. also, the sacd versions are all completely out of print now.

akm, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 16:49 (seventeen years ago)

Are they ever gonna do another set of these? New Morning, Basement Tapes...

The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 15 October 2008 16:50 (seventeen years ago)

Still waiting for a remastered and more complete Basement Tapes. I have "A Tree With Roots," which sounds sooooo much better than the 1975 release, but it would be nice to get an official version with proper notes, perhaps even better sound, etc. It's only a matter of time before it's another installment in the Bootleg series.

Jazzbo, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 17:01 (seventeen years ago)

Ok, this is reassuring...I was looking for an excuse NOT to invest in the (more handsome) digipaks, better to satisfy my anal leanings with an even bank of plastic.

Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 17:03 (seventeen years ago)

Yass, a redone Basement Tapes would be fabulous, as would a remastered New Morning, imho.

DLee, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 17:11 (seventeen years ago)

agreed.

has anyone heard the remastered JWH? does it sound as bad as people on Amazon claim it does?

Dr. Strange taking on Dormammu (Ioannis), Wednesday, 15 October 2008 17:29 (seventeen years ago)

I have the remastered JWH and I think any reviewer that would say it sounds horrible is a bit nuts - sounds fine!

BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 21:15 (seventeen years ago)

lol at Pabst Blue Rosen

Doghouse O RLY (G00blar), Wednesday, 15 October 2008 21:21 (seventeen years ago)

On JWH, there wasn't as much to gain as with the ones before it, as the unremastered CD sounded OK. But the remaster sounds perfectly find too.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 21:28 (seventeen years ago)

JWH remaster sounds great!

baaderonixx, Thursday, 16 October 2008 06:25 (seventeen years ago)

hmm, the Amazon reviews complaining about the sound quality seem to have been deleted. wonder what that means.

xp

good to hear; i've been avoiding buying a copy strictly because i was afraid Sony had fucked up the mix/remastering. :^(

Dr. Strange taking on Dormammu (Ioannis), Thursday, 16 October 2008 08:29 (seventeen years ago)

six months pass...

Time for a bump.

I was in the record shop today and saw the most recent Dylan remasters, including the Basement Tapes and Before The Flood. Has anyone heard these? How do they compare? I've never bought Before the Flood and was thinking of taking the plunge.

Duke, Saturday, 2 May 2009 22:27 (sixteen years ago)

haven't heard these, but will probably get New Morning at least. If you want to hear the Basement Tapes in good sound, seek out that recently surfaced safety reel.

tylerw, Saturday, 2 May 2009 22:40 (sixteen years ago)

wouldn't it be cool to do a remix of the '60s records replacing the piano and organ and drums with '80s-vintage synths and syndrums a la "empire burlesque"?

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 2 May 2009 22:42 (sixteen years ago)

four years pass...

Complete Album Collection

Again. Really? At least they priced it well.

bodacious ignoramus, Monday, 11 November 2013 23:44 (twelve years ago)

still find it amazing that they hired clinton heylin to do the liners for this! his bio of dylan is not exactly flattering, and he always goes out of his way to write about how the curators of Dylan's work are doing a terrible job.

tylerw, Monday, 11 November 2013 23:48 (twelve years ago)

amazon reviewer sez

1. Self Portrait
2. Dylan
3. Pat Garrett
4. Hard Rain
5. Street Legal
6. Live at Budokan
7. Saved
8. Real Live
9. Empire Burlesque
10. Knocked Out Loaded
11. Down in the Groove
12. Under the Red Sky
13. Good as I Been to You
14. World Gone Wrong

are teh newly remastered ones.

j., Monday, 11 November 2013 23:51 (twelve years ago)

all the best ones.
wouldn't mind hearing the remastered hard rain.

tylerw, Monday, 11 November 2013 23:53 (twelve years ago)

wait so slow train has been remastered already?

j., Monday, 11 November 2013 23:54 (twelve years ago)

yeah it was part of the original 2003 remasters, i believe?

tylerw, Monday, 11 November 2013 23:56 (twelve years ago)

huh well good i guess they did what they could with it then

j., Tuesday, 12 November 2013 00:06 (twelve years ago)

the FLAC version costs more than the CD version? strange.

i play too fast (which is the sign of an amateur) (fact checking cuz), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 01:00 (twelve years ago)

wow, with this remastering the horrible murky production and terrible songs of knocked out loaded are just so visceral, so palpable

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 02:33 (twelve years ago)

in some of these cases i wish "remastering" had meant "sorry, we accidentally erased all of the copies of this album, including the master tapes. in its place we give you a 40-minute sound collage of bob dylan wheezing"

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 02:35 (twelve years ago)


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