coltrane's blue train

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what the fuck, it's not even my favourite coltrane record and i can't stop listening to it for like 3 weeks now. what's my problem?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

it's addictive. and a great work of art. and really beautiful. and it has a wonderful cover. and it's magical.that might help explain your behaviour.

― scott seward, Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I've gotten back into this record recently, and while I always liked it (mostly the title track) it was never a favorite.

Moment's fucking Notice! I just recorded this tune with a trio, it's hard. I love hearing Coltrane's groups of this time recording these hard tunes after seeing them for the first time, tunes that he probably worked on for months a la Giant Steps.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 20 November 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Jordan I'm sure I've mentioned this before in another thread so excuse me if I'm starting to sound repetitive, but that's exactly how Moment's Notice got its name - Coltrane played the then un-named tune to Paul Chambers who said, what, you expect me to play those changes at a moment's notice? I like the story because a lot of casual (ie non) listeners think of "Blue Train" as relatively unadventurous hard bop whereas tunes like MN were pretty revolutionary at the time.

― ArfArf, Thursday, 20 November 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I remember hearing that story somewhere, it's pretty cool. I definitely agree about your last point.

I think I'm going to listen to this when I go home tonight.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 20 November 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

It's definitely easier to listen to at work than my favorite Coltrane discs - Meditations and Crescent. I just don't think you can fight with Coltrane. Giant Steps was in my first batch of Jazz albums that I bought and unlike the other ones in that group, I still listen to Giant Steps.

― Big Red, Thursday, 20 November 2003 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I really like Curtis Fuller's work on that album.

― dylan (dylan), Thursday, 20 November 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i should listen to blue train again; i always thought it was just okay, not nearly as good as his other records - and i blamed it's notoriety on the superb job that blue note does at marketing nostalgia.

― j fail (cenotaph), Thursday, 20 November 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah! I remember reading an interview where he said he was the only bone player to record with Coltrane (presumably not counting section stuff like on Africa/Brass?).

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 20 November 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't think of any other other trombone soloist on a Coltrane record. We should start a jazz bone thread someday. Those guys never get their propers. 'Course the jazz euphoniumist has it rougher.

― dylan (dylan), Thursday, 20 November 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

this album is classic beyond classic! fuck skronky shit for a while and listen to the melifluous tonal centers ... basically waht i'm saying is that soloing within changes still sounds good today, especially with the likes of LEE FUCKING MORGAN (is there a better trumpeter? (besides miles)) and the aforementioned curtis fuller.

― fhdsjkf, Thursday, 20 November 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Lee Morgan is fucking incredible. I have his Mosaic box. Great, great stuff.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 20 November 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

OTM.

LEE FUCKING MORGAN (is there a better trumpeter?

Yep, it's Clifford Brown.

(actually i forget i said that, i don't want to ruin your enthusiam. and i like lee morgan too).

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 20 November 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, what Jordan said. Clifford Brown was the best trumpet player ever. I mean, c'mon, I love Lee but geez.

― Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 20 November 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't find myself listening to Brown as much as Morgan, though. I've got all the Brown/Roach albums (including a burn-from-vinyl of Live At The Beehive), and that's it. But I'll take all the Morgan I can find - with Blakey, solo, on Mobley albums, wherever.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 20 November 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

There are many other pre-'classic quartet' Trane recs that I prefer to 'Blue Train' - 'Giant Steps', and most of the Atlantic albs for example. j fail is right abt Blue Note's canny marketing of BT as THE Coltrane artifact (because of the whole cover shot/Van Gelder sound etc. mystique.) It's like a slightly more plush gd Prestige alb - 'Soultrane', say.

Re: trumpeters - yeah, I love Lee Morgan too, but man, some of those Blue Note sessions are just production-line ho-hum hard bop blowing sessions (Hank Mobley snore) - give me Booker Little w/ Dolphy or Don Cherry w/ Ornette or even Freddie Hubbard at his best (ie on 'Blues and the Abstract Truth' or 'Speak No Evil')

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Fritz, this thread might also have some answers. It certainly helped me at the time.

― David A. (Davant), Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Lee Morgan's tone is a bit thin sometimes, compared to Freddie Hubbard or some of the New Orleans players.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, I actually really like my first post on that thread (that almost never happens).

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

love this album,i found it easier to get into than any other coltrane i've heard and i've never got sick of it...

― robin (robin), Thursday, 20 November 2003 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

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