defend the indefensible: Hall and Oates

Two guys on a reunion tour.

"blowing my bliss"

Moustache-less John Oates is like Kiss without make-up -- yeah, I know it's done, but 'tain't the same.

I missed the earlier seventies hits when growing up, so I only got to hear them in retrospect -- but both songs are indeed mighty fine, the latter is if I remember a tribute to the underrated Sara Allen, who collaborated with them both on many songs and who passed away some years back (or so I thought, but I keep reading it was her sister and fellow H/O collaborator Janna Allen?).

"I Can't Go For That" is infectious and magical.

Uh, someone DID mention De La Soul by now, yeah?

By the way, am I allowed to praise Daryl Hall?

i have taken to pressing pause when the 'where does it stop - ' line drops - FEAR ME

yep, i have copied it on more than one occasion! (not live tho)

Sorry, I just really don't like the concept of this thread.

There has to be a thread somewhere about the two breezeblock sets that The Avalanches did. They weren't consistent throughout in quality, but they really did have some moments of genius that I find myself skipping to.

anyone remember the Hall & Oates as council workers (or something) sketches on Big Train?

You have to wonder how Hall's career would have gone if he'd been solo from the start. Probably not as successfully!

At minimum he needs a harmony singer, and Oates's guitar parts are pretty good. Maybe he would've joined up with Fripp for a longer stint, even singing for the '80s King Crimson?

The duet with Elvis Costello in Goodbye Cruel World - Costello's worst album by his own admission was not a bright spot for Hall.

Generally I think he chose the right partner. Their success was global and massive.

Some of the Darryl's house collaborations were cute and fun, but that was just a victory lap.

He's blessed with a voice like Todd Rundgren, only purer, and he has to act like a colossal dick. What a world.

a better voice than Rundgren imo, and he can't project warmth or empathy. He's at his best when writing or singing about being a colossal dick.

As a persona, that's great (in moderation), but why carry that over into real life? Especially when you've enjoyed such massive success.

Deep insecurity, maybe.

A deadbeat dad too apparently.

From Philly too

Colossal dick? I dunno, he seems pretty small in the "Out of Touch" video

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQAVA_uZOf0ndzwJf8XXI9lNg7tawa4HGHIoQ&usqp=CAU

maybe hanging out with Fripp is what gave him the balls to be so ornery to his former collaborator

https://thehardtimes.net/music/hall-and-oates-partner-with-smokeless-fire-pit-company-that-brings-friends-together/

even his facial hair is famous (there's a comic book about it).

is there?

It was actually an online cartoon.

More info:

Daryl Hall has sued his longtime music partner John Oates, arguing that his plan to sell off his share of a joint venture would violate the terms of a business agreement the Hall & Oates duo had forged.

The move quickly prompted a judge to temporarily block the sale while legal proceedings and a previously initiated arbitration continue.

A Nashville chancery court judge issued the temporary restraining order on Nov. 16, writing that Oates and others involved in his trust can't move to close the sale of their share of Whole Oats Enterprises LLP to Primary Wave IP Investment Management LLC until an arbitrator in a separately filed case weighs in on the deal, or until the judge's order expires — typically within 15 days, unless a judge extends the deadline.

Ah, so it's a temporary injunction, not a protective order.

Oates: I'm selling my 50% of our partnership
Hall: Don't you mean 10%

It's a method of modern law

It didn't work for Morrissey and Marr!

xxp LMAO

Oates will just have to rely on his old fans' money

It's somehow fitting that a Hall & Oates thread would become a gathering point for dad jokes.

We’re a Family Man

A gossip site suggests this has something to do with Oates singing their songs at his solo shows, which seems beyond ridiculous if true.

Ha ha didn’t the Zappa estate sue Dweezil for singing Frank Zappa songs live?

Jimbeaux

It's somehow fitting that a Hall & Oates thread would become a gathering point for dad jokes.

Have you seen the Steely Dan thread?

Seen it? I've lived it!

Q. Why did the farmer form a punk rock band?
A. Because he was tired of haulin' oats

(courtesy of N. Hamburger)

A gossip site suggests this has something to do with Oates singing their songs at his solo shows, which seems beyond ridiculous if true.

Daryl Hall has sued his longtime music partner John Oates, arguing that his plan to sell off his share of a joint venture would violate the terms of a business agreement the Hall & Oates duo had forged.

this seems much more likely and it's not a restraining order as reported, it's an injuncture which is a totally different thing, and also seems like a legitimate thing for Hall to be not ok with

Yeah, a TRO is usually issued in a domestic violence or other situation in which one of the parties presents a physical threat to the other. That didn't seem right in this case.

Daryl Hall filed a sharply worded sworn statement Wednesday explaining why he’s suing music partner John Oates over an alleged breach of their business partnership, and sadly he does not indulge us by incorporating his song titles into his filing.

Also this is the first time I've heard Oates address the following:

(Oates) claimed Hall is the one who went rogue, alleging Hall “has consistently and publicly been adamant about being perceived as an individual rather than as part of a duo or group.” He also alleged Hall has “insisted” on the group being known as “Daryl Hall and John Oates,” rather than the more commonly known “Hall & Oates.”

H (2o)

“Never sell your publishing — maybe if you’re, you know, 80 years old and you decided to retire, then you can sell your publishing..."

trying to somehow make a "kissinger on my list" joke without forcing it, but alas, it must be forced.

I'm actually surprised there haven't been more legal quarrels like this amongst the members of legacy groups eager (or otherwise) to sell out.

Voodoo chili, just want to let you know that your forced joke has been seen and appreciated.

It's on my list of the best things in life.

xp Is it more common for one partner to simply sell out to the other partner? That seemed to be the case with the Band (everyone selling their share of the publishing to Robertson) and others (like Denny Laine selling his shares of his Wings co-writes to McCartney). Also, those particularly cases went on to prove Hall's point - never sell your publishing unless you're 80 and retiring.

*particular

As you've pointed out, Hall seems unlikely to value his partner's contribution as much as another business entity might.

One coincidental thing I noticed the other night was that Ritz crackers appear on the covers of both War Babies and Bigger Than Both of Us. It would be cool if there was a lost H&O Ritz jingle out there.

"Ritz On My List"

Lol

Whoah oh here she comes

She's a Ritz eater

Ritz Girl

I Can't Go For Triscuits

“chicken in a biscuit” to “did it in a minute”

I can't say the idea of a Broadway musical appeals to me. A brief excerpt:

Garrett and D’Arienzo also caught wind of the unusual dynamic between Hall and Oates. Both saw the group live a few times during their mutual projects and came away disenchanted. “They didn’t look at each other and never even talked to each other,” Garrett recalls. “I don’t think the audience noticed or cared. But I could not understand it.” Although he says Hall and Oates both showed up for a workshop reading of he and Taylor’s attempted musical, Garrett could also sense the tension between the two. “They would speak individually and not together,” he says, “and not confer with each other.”

D’Arienzo felt the same during his few interactions with them and at the concerts he attended. “I saw their show three times, and it was great,” he says. “They played amazing. But they didn’t seem like they were having fun onstage. It definitely felt like a business relationship.”

In another telling moment, D’Arienzo says he when he submitted his script, members of their team expressed enthusiasm — including half of the duo. “I remember getting a message from John Oates that was, ‘I love this so much, but I’m not going to say anything, because if I say I love it, Daryl will hate it.’”

Saw them last year and had the same takeaway. Very chilly vibes between the principals. Hall was also screaming at his monitor engineer the entire time. That said: sick show!

This is more than just publishing, though, right? They perform as a duo still. Or were they already going to stop touring?

Whoah oh here she comes

She's a Ritz eater

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