Battle of the Titans: Ryan Adams V. Jim DeRo

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Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:56 (twenty-one years ago)

oh Jesus

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Encino is, like soooooo bitchin'

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

My god, this is like Bring The Fucking Fury 2004!

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, Nate's actually got me curious, but it's not playing for me, got RealPlayer running and all. Strange.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

This is, like, the best thing I've heard so far this year.

may pang (maypang), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I will be Super Friend For Life to anyone who can get this on MP3

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm getting jealous now! Somebody capture it and mirror it or something.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sensing there's a bright young man who's going to be making a guest appearance on the next Celebrities at Their Worst compliation.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I feel kind of sorry for Adams, though. Not having read the article that pissed off, I don't know if his gripes have some legitimacy, but this thing would've been handled so much better via a terse letter or fuckin song, I dunno.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

then again, there's alcohol

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

It's also a little chintzy for DeRo to be sharing this with the whole world wide web.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

first hootie and the blowfish then stephan jenkins and now ryan adams - which beast will dero attempt to slay next?!?

scott pl. (scott pl.), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

my guess: not Courtney Love

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Well hey, turns out I have the capability to make MP3s out of streaming web audio (so long as they are 3 minutes or less). Therefore: I HAVE IT IN MP3 FORMAT. hipsterdetritus on slsk. It should be in the root "shared" folder.

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"You obviously have, like, a problem with me, not with the music because you can't refuse it, obviously, because it's too fucking good and you know it."

Classic.

may pang (maypang), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:26 (twenty-one years ago)

who wants to chip in to get these fellas a room?

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)

With or without a gun for Russian roulette?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)

BATTLE ROYALE: REAL ROCK EDITION

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh oh oh! I wanna be Kawada!

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Nate, you better hope he doesn't get your phone #.

Keith Harris (kharris1128), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm downloading from Nate now. I'll upload to my server for the slsk-less.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno, I think he used up his best material with Jim.

(Also: my new number is unlisted.)

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha, you think he doesn't have his sources?

Keith Harris (kharris1128), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

(sorry, Nate. I was drunk and he wouldn't shut up so I was like, "here, do something else for awhile." I'll give you some extra assignments to make up for it.)

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 3 January 2004 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Dunno, Ryan Adams might be an indulgent prick, but I kind of appreciate his complete lack of professionalism. I've seen him go off the rails on several occasions, and the fact that he breaks up his tirades and rambling monologues with such middle of the road music just makes his shows that much funnier (which, admitedly, is not the same thing as enjoyable). For that irony alone I appreciate his self-conscious rock star on the edge behavioir. His shows are memorable, even if they're memorable for being shitty, which is sadly more than I can say for most mainstream live acts. Or indie acts, for that matter. I also like the idea of a rock star who bites back, even if his voicemail taunting is ultimately rather toothless. Now, if Adams started attacking critics - ala Jah Wobble and Sid Vicious beating up Nick Kent - that would be something else!

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Saturday, 3 January 2004 05:20 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.modsvsrockers.com/ryanadamswhine.mp3

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 3 January 2004 05:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Adams' voice is disappointing - I want gruff and nicotine-stained, not 15-year old girl, as Nate put it.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 3 January 2004 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Whateverrrrr, y'know.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Saturday, 3 January 2004 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually the inflections were 15 year old girl; the voice itself is Head Trauma David Cross on Meth (screwed & chopped edition)

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 06:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Duuuuuuude.

Someone remix this, please.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 3 January 2004 06:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah thank you. Downloading now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 January 2004 06:11 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: Ryan Adams vs. Sole

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 06:12 (twenty-one years ago)

What kind of D/L speeds are you getting, Ned?

I think my provider is topping out at 20kb/s, which is pretty lame.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 3 January 2004 06:16 (twenty-one years ago)

It came down fairly quickly, and indeed I think I will listen to it now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 January 2004 06:17 (twenty-one years ago)

*shakes head* Sad, really, but an entertaining laughable sad. Didn't he also e-mail Fred Solinger for some reason? And wasn't Fred actually sorta praising him and Ryan was still cheesed?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 January 2004 06:19 (twenty-one years ago)

He reminds me of 'Drunk Girl' on Saturday Night Live. It is kind of endearing how upset he is.

bnw (bnw), Saturday, 3 January 2004 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

here's the original jim piece:

Ryan Adams would like us to think that it's incredibly difficult being Ryan Adams -- young, talented, clever and outrageously prolific.

In fact, what's difficult is watching the spectacle of the 29-year-old North Carolina-bred singer and songwriter acting out the whole tired "troubled artist" routine and trying desperately hard to convince us of his genius.

Adams came to a packed Riviera Theatre Saturday night with a six-piece band to promote his official new album, "Llor n Kcor" (that's "Rock 'n' Roll" backwards), as well as the two EPs that followed a few weeks after that release, "Love is Hell, Vols. I and II."

Midway through the show, the spiky-haired alternative-country poseur cursed his label for failing to see that the two EPs are as worthy of hype as the album, though the record company is absolutely correct in trying to reign him in and force him to focus: The concert was proof once more that Adams is his own worst enemy, detracting from his modest talent by thinking that every idea he has is a good one, and thereby giving us as much garbage as greatness.

Though Adams is now as notorious for his bad-boy behavior as he is for his music, the show started promisingly enough, as he and his accomplished band tore through hard-hitting versions of new rockers such as "1974" and "Note to Self: Don't Die." For the first five songs, it seemed as if he might finally be playing to his strengths -- delivering catchy and motivating roots-rock that is derivative of everyone from Paul Westerberg to Morrissey, but undeniable nonetheless.

Then things started to go to hell. Adams played "Wish You Were Here" (his song from the new album, not the Pink Floyd classic) four times in a row, giving it to us straight, then as hard-core punk, then as a spoofy country ditty and finally rendering it as sung by Cookie Monster, simultaneously dissing the barked vocals of the nu-metal genre and paying homage to "Sesame Street."

These 20 minutes of shtick derailed the momentum the group had built up, and so it went through the rest of the 100-minute set. The band would pick up speed over the course of a few solid songs, and then Adams would act out, inviting all of his musicians and the members of the opening band, the unimpressive Adams clones the Stills, to gather around two mikes for a hokey mock-hootenanny version of the sexist new ditty, "Miss America."

Later, he improvised an acoustic song about the snow in Chicago, using it as an excuse to further his pointless feud with local alternative-country heroes Wilco. "Buy me a video camera so I can make a movie called 'I Am Trying to Bore You to Death,' " he crooned, sneering at the Wilco film, "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart."

Adams can release three CDs in a three-week span, but the fact remains that he still can't write one song as original or as heartfelt as anything by Jeff Tweedy.

The set ended abruptly and jarringly after 15 songs as Adams threw down his white Stratocaster and stormed offstage -- he'd been whining about suffering from the flu, and for a while it seemed as if he might not return. But the delay was as calculated as the ridiculously long wait before the start of his set, the better to fuel anticipation.

Eventually, sure enough, the performer returned to offer five songs solo acoustic, playing the young Dylan role that made a fan out of Elton John, but offering nothing nearly as impressive lyrically or musically.

The show ended back in full band mode as Adams eschewed the guitar and ran around with the microphone, imitating Courtney Love by jumping into the crowd several times during the anthemic singalongs "Burning Photographs" and "So Alive."

The fans (who skewed younger than Adams) ate it all up, but you had to suspect that it was because they'd never seen the real Courtney, much less the Replacements or even Wilco.

Absent an historical musical context or a functioning b.s. detector, it is possible to mistake Adams for being as talented and clever as he thinks he is. But then there are plenty of people who can't tell the difference between plastic flowers and real ones, until they bend over to take a whiff.

Note to Ryan Adams: Wish you were anywhere but here

MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Saturday, 3 January 2004 06:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Adams can release three CDs in a three-week span, but the fact remains that he still can't write one song as original or as heartfelt as anything by Jeff Tweedy.

This is about where I suddenly sympathize with Adams.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 January 2004 07:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno. Forget about the dull "YHF", but Adams can't come close to the best parts of "Being There" or "Summerteeth".

I'm suer DeRog knew that "poking the bear" in this fashion could result in such an outburst, maybe he was praying for it all along?

Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 3 January 2004 07:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I do agree with Dero on this issue, but you know what? I agreed with him on the fact that Third Eye Blind suck, too. That makes him "right," but not exactly right, you know?

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 3 January 2004 07:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It's sort of like a food critic railing against McDonald's for their gray and bland "meat".

Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 3 January 2004 07:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm suer DeRog knew that "poking the bear" in this fashion could result in such an outburst, maybe he was praying for it all along?

Goddamnit... see... that's the kind of question I was hoping for on my "questions for DeRo" thread. I'm going to have to write him again now. Damn you.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 3 January 2004 07:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Another ill-timed response from yours truly. Next up, a post on ILE re: "how we can forestall war in Iraq".

Perhaps DeRog sent that girl to R Kelly's place as well? Scandalous!

Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 3 January 2004 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah. I'm sure DeRo knows scads of girls.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 3 January 2004 08:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Um... unlike me! Right, people?

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 3 January 2004 08:05 (twenty-one years ago)

ostensibly a post by ryan:

....my phone call to Jim from the Chicago Sun Times was a personal response to someone I felt like was addressing me as a person, not as an entertainer.
its very sad when i want to play shows in Chicago and someone who obviously does not like ME or what i supposedly represent comes to the shows and acts like WE are all at fault.
I had a great time there and it seemed like everybody else did too.
for one person with the power of the local paper to review it like eveybody had a shit time is really bad for me because thats what i do, play live, make records, and im pretty sure we all had a killer time.
i am dissapointed at Jim because he could have at least said " well i dont get it but everybody else had fun"

but no.....he treats us like we are all, audience and band. like WE are wrong for getting together and kicking out the music.

I love all of you for wanting to come out and hear the songs so I try my hardest and i always want to try something new for all of you.

i dont think jim likes it that we do our thing and that its cool and okay.

im just making music and i really like it. he got fired from rolling stone and maybe he is bitter.......

ANYWAY....
my problems with Jim Derogatory,

1. that phone call was personal, just like the personal attack against me in the paper, and to let it out on-line just kinda shows you what kind of person he is. (it was me taling to you Jim)
2. when 1000 people love it and you dont, maybe its just not your thing and you shouldnt PUNISH people for that.
3.rolling stone used to put Jerry Garcia on the cover and hunter s thompson, and for what we are up against now picking me as some kind of SCARPEGOAT is pretty week. i mean, shit, i write my own songs as shitty as they are.

4. IF YOU DONT LIKE MY SHOWS DONT COME. please.....

plenty of people couldnt get in and there you are holding a ticket, ready to beat me down. you shouldve given it to somebody who wanted it.

5. people like john mayer and dave matthews get this kind of shit for being pedestrian but people like them. you cant take that away from them.

nobody is playing music to hurt you Jim. they just do it cause they like it.

i can see why you are so bitter, but please, this is music...its about giving..........i hope you see the beauty and magic of music as a language where there are no wrong and right words or notes...

these are our storys......and they are meant to be heard.............


good luck jim/ art is the voice of god and he is always speaking and he is never wrong.

p.s. i will kindly meet with you so you can see me as a "real person" with "real" feelings that can get hurt by irresponsible journalism.
would it alarm you to read your thoughts in front of people daily as your job? it must be easy to be so mean hiding behind all that ink and paper.
im scared like you, but i am OUT THERE. challenging myself. GIVING.

you will never appreciate how much of a fan of music i am and how that drives me to want to CONTRIBUTE to it, and how bad it makes me feel knowing there are people like you with nothing real to give that want to isolate and kill and anybody that does.

i pray i have the resolve of the grateful dead, phish, black flag, fuck, even dave matthews, and rise above people like you.

i am here to share my heart and soul with people. they are the ones that matter. not you.

i hope you can find it in your heart to leave me alone and let me go my path in the future.

i know everybody you crossed in new york and your whole story,

do you wanna play chess?

MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Saturday, 3 January 2004 08:06 (twenty-one years ago)

That rant vacillated between an olive branch and palpable anger rather alarmingly.

Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 3 January 2004 08:10 (twenty-one years ago)

for the record, i think ryan's kinda right. that original review was kinda retarded and seemed to be written for the sole purpose of being mean-spirited. i guess that type of stuff makes for good copy, but still, it sucks for the subject of the "review"

MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Saturday, 3 January 2004 08:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah he was just being "snarky" is all.

Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 3 January 2004 08:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I still don't want to hear his record, but Adams has gained a little sex appeal in my eye, strangely.

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 3 January 2004 09:33 (twenty-one years ago)

uberfuckingclassic.

You would think at this point in his career, Ryan Adams would be done calling up journos like a little bitch.

Memo to cryin' Ryan: if you ever decide to call me up for the shit I've written about you and leave me a voice mail rather than confront me like a mature adult, it's going on the web.

don weiner, Saturday, 3 January 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

let's see...self-aggrandizing temper tantrum, self-deluded woe-is-me victim mentality, loudly enganging in "pointless feuds" while spouting inarticulate and ignorant rants about music itself...sounds like derog taught ryan everything he knows

keithmoerer, Saturday, 3 January 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

my problems with Jim Derogatory

Fucking fuck, kindergartners can do better.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 January 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

"SCARPEGOAT"!

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow. Ryan Adams is an even bigger pussy than I had originally thought.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Sunday, 4 January 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

ahahaha oh I like Ryan Adams again now.

art is the voice of god! and he is always speaking! and he is never wrong!

cis (cis), Sunday, 4 January 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I will definitely go see him live when he comes around, however. Where can I buy a Bryan Adams or Robbie Fulks -shirt?

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Sunday, 4 January 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

If Ryan Adams ever got mad about anything I'd written about him I'd just ask if he wanted to start a band with me.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 5 January 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

i take back all the fat jokes that i flung at derogatis.

i even forgive the wilco/tweedy praise (as if there's a dime's worth of difference b/w tweedy and adams anyway).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 5 January 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

This dispute is like watching midget wrestling.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 5 January 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

In grease-covered jello.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 January 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

tonight...on Fox.

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 5 January 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

ha- DeRo's Ryan Adams review seems slightly amusing to me, after watching sound opinions (a re-run i assume) last nite, in which he rated "llor n kcor" "Buy It!" and tossed the Shin's "Chutes too Narrow" on the studio floor, Greg Kot sitting idly by with a tear in his eye. Not to get into a Adams/Shins debate, just funny that DeRo flip-flopped...or not...he did call the music 'undeniable.'

mark cunningham (robotsinlove), Monday, 5 January 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

http://robbiefulks.com/store/tshirt1icon.jpg

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 5 January 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Not to get into a Adams/Shins debate

do not invoke dark and terrible forces you cannot control.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 5 January 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

"Old man, it's probably time for you to get out of the fucking business."

I'm hosting this mp3 on my blog for a while, to mirror Milo's site and to spread it around to my audience who might not come here. It's just too good to not get around...

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

In addition to the answering machine message, I've posted Tom Scharpling's very amusing take on the Adams/DeRegotis thing from last night's bonus episode of the Best Show On WFMU. Same link as the last one.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

For anyone who linked to mine in their blogs or anywhere else they care about, I managed to exceed my bandwidth for the month (2700 hits for 5+GB!), so I had to take it down from mine. I think the seed has been spread far and wide.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

that FMU thing is just as embarrassing as the Ryan Adams thing or any DeRogatis thing, really. "hey, he can't type, and I'm going to spend 15 minutes ragging on him for it on the radio!" cle-ver.

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 8 January 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Now, I don't know anything about Ryan Adams. I think he does the song over the opening credits of Old School, that one was kinda nice. Other than that I never think twice about him. But I gotta say I was kinda disappointed with his "whiny phone message". He doesn't cry or yell or even stumble over his words, he actually sounds fairly restrained and level-headed. It's hardly some whiny bitch-fest - he's just bitter at some crank critic. Now, it *is* bad form to leave a phone message like that, insofar as it's probably wiser (and easier) to just ignore DeRogatis altogether, but whatever... I don't think this makes him look all that bad or unbalanced or stupid at all.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 8 January 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Where in the hell is this online journal that Tom Scharpling read from? I have spent much too much time trying to Google the damn thing, so if someone else could do it for me, that'd be swell. (Wink!)

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I think he said it was ryanadams.org

nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Did this asshat just call Steely Dan one of the worst bands ever?

nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean it's cool he has this gnarly disco stuff in the background as he reads this but the Steely Dan hate just ruined an already-tired mockery.

nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Fucking A, I should try that "attentive listening" thing. Thanks, Nate!

For the record, it's here.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Scharpling's "whiny Ryan" voice is disturbingly Jello Biafran

nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)

And, yeah, Steely Dan. I stopped listening a short while after those bon mots were offered.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

So far there are really no likeable parties in this fracas whatsoever. It's like the negaverse indie dork Jay-Z/Nas feud (with Scharpling as Mobb Deep or something).

nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Whats silly about Smada Nayr, well there many things, but one is that he does this type of thing every show from what I can figure. So its all pre-meditated bullshit. Fake poseury just like his music.

http://startribune.com/stories/457/4269174.html

christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 8 January 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

a York, Pa., newspaper article in which former Replacements singer Westerberg said Adams "needs to get his teeth kicked in."

Paul Westerberg: keeping 'er real.

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 8 January 2004 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

In fairness to Tom, he had an additional three hours of airtime to fill on Tuesday night on top of his normal three hour shift, and this rant fell into that time slot. He was killing time.

But then again, he did spend about twenty minutes a few months ago during his regular show giving one of his "Unfair Record Reviews" to the entire Ryan Adams catalog.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 8 January 2004 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, the WFMU thing is almost equally awful.

Is that really how you pronounce "DeRogatis"?

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

"Dee-row-gah-tis"

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean it's cool he has this gnarly disco stuff in the background

It sounds like "The Bottle" by Gil Scott Herren, but I'm not sure.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I LOVE RYAN ADAMS!!!

Justin Manning, Monday, 12 January 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Perhaps DeRog will eat Adams and then choke to death on his ego, and we'll be rid of all this.

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 12 January 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoa, this thread was mentioned in TimeOut NY. And we didn't even need googlers.

LiquidTide (LiquidTide), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

You're kidding. What was the actual reference?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

well, the short sidebar was just about the phonecall. And then at the end it says to

"go to Battle of the Titans: Ryan Adams V. Jim DeRo to hear the entire broadside in all it's glory."

I wonder why they did not just link to the original site.

LiquidTide (LiquidTide), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

oh sorry the ilx machine changed the actual typed out thread into that titled link. But the actual thing in the magazine was the www.ilx.wh3rd...blah blah blah=4153082.

LiquidTide (LiquidTide), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh heh heh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Agree that it's poor form, but also think that, other than way too many "likes," it comes off as fairly, like, level-headed. Mean-spirited too, no doubt. But then he's feeling the personal attack of Jim DeRobust and attacking harshly back. No yelling, not flying off the handle. Just cutting at DeRo with what he's got. Fairly impressed with everything I've heard and read from him. Surprised people are attacking his attack this way though. Don't the review and the message balance each other out? (Incidentally, have heard only a handful of his tracks, so this is nothing about the music. That's for the fans to decide.)

Chags, Thursday, 15 January 2004 06:10 (twenty-one years ago)

poor Ryan Westeradams. at least when the Replacements f*cked off before an audience, they meant it and never really cared to explain it. perhaps because they meant it. but this guy is so Courtney with a c*ck. All fart, no splash. Shut up and sing or just continue drown your sorrows at Barmacy with the rest of your "ironic" legions. Just stay off the phone with journalists after you've wallpapered your brain with pale ale pints and malrboro lights.

timmah, Thursday, 15 January 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Typical rock critic...DeRogatis has his own "indie" band on some "indie" label. Just a frustrated musician lashing out at someone who has made it. I'm sure Derogatis feels that HE and HIS band have so much more talent and should be where Adams is right now..

Steve-o, Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh, I really don't think that's it, Steve. I think DeRo is perfectly happy as a critic; Vortis is just something he does for kicks. He's the drummer, anyway.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"they meant it" = lamest explanation (away) of anything ever

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

you don't mean that

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Chags: the thing is, DeRogatis is doing his job. Adams's job, as an artist, is to bear criticism gracefully. That involves NOT personally phoning critics who didn't like their show/record/multimedia presentation. So it doesn't much matter how the phone call comes across; the fact that R.A. made the phone call at all makes him a big whiny crybaby who shouldn't have entered the profession if he wasn't willing to bear the hazards that come with the job.

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

The radio response was really, really pathetic (Steely Dan is the worst band ever? DUMBASS!). Way more pathetic than the original Ryan Adams outburst (which was, of course, desperately pathetic).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

In the battle of wits both parties arrived unarmed.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Blunt strength was their weapon of choice.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)


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