A Rough Guide to Pop and Hip-Hop Videos That Are Goth

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Okay, so what would they be? Early suggestions from this thread:

New Kids on the Block's "The Right Stuff" (thanks to That Shirt)
Michael Jackson's "Thriller"
Rockwell's "Somebody's Watching Me"
Backstreet Boys' "Everybody"

Add to them, with explanations as desired.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Ultravox, "Dancing With Tears In My Eyes"
Rather than try to get away they decide to just lay down and die. That's pretty goth I think (or am I mixing up goth with retarded?).

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I think my jaw hit the ground when I saw that guy in NKOTB wearing a Bauhaus shirt ... mind you, i didnt notice this until a few years ago since I had no idea who Bauhaus was when I was 10 years old.

Madonna's "Frozen"

― Sarah Natalie (Running from Taxes), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

get ur freak on!

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Subject: Re: THERE ARE ANY NKOTB FANS?
Written By: Digitales on 05/28/03 at 09:29:50
Menudo was just so ubelievable cool hahah i loved them! LO(don't tell anyone) anyway.. the only thing i can tell about NKOTB is that it is a bit funny to see that video "You're got the right thing" (i guess that's the name)... the lead vocal (Jordan?the cute one) is wearing a BAUHAUS t-shirt. The guys go around hunting some chicks in a graveyard... pretty hilarious!
HAHAHA ;D
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Subject: Re: THERE ARE ANY NKOTB FANS?
Written By: wildblue on 05/28/03 at 16:05:20

You are very observer :D
I was a fanatic by Jordan and I never noticed about that Jordan's t-Shirt with the bahaus. Did they knew bahaus?
Great appointement ;)

― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Do Marilyn Manson, Nine Inch Nails and Slipknot count as pop? And if they did, how boring would it be to include them? (the second question is rhetorical)

Okay, okay, lemma think... well George Michael had that cyber-punk video a while back. I don't know what the song was called though.

― Stupid (Stupid), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

that third eye blind video where everyone is dressed in black leather. i dont remember anything about the song besides its being catchy, but if you were to put in on mute, it looked very goth.
that STP song sour girl, maybe?

― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Bjork 'Isobel', 'Venus as a Boy', 'Human Behaviour

― pete s, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah, I should also add that screen caps are welcome and in fact encouraged.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Not so much goth as just goofy Mad Max world, but Duran Duran "Wild Boys".

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

The Jacksons "Torture"

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, Evanescence's videos are pretty goffeeeek. They really do count as pop. Especially that balad they released - if you didn't know they thought they were goffeeeeks, you'd never guess from that.

― Stupid (Stupid), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

(x-post to Jacksons video.. remember that really creepy part where Jermaine Jackson saw an EYE IN HIS HAND? OMG I SHIT MY PANTS!)

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

is "California Love" goth? "Beyond The Thunderdome (We Don't Need Another Hero)"?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Gotta have Duran Duran's "Union of the Snake" or even better, "Wild Boys". (damn, donut bitch just beat me to it).
Corey Hart "Sunglasses at Night".

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I tried to find a picture of the NKOTB video, but I started feeling gay and strange so I had to stop. Sorry.

― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

again, more Mad Max/Time Machine goofiness for "dark imagery", but:

Rick Springfield's "Bop 'Til Ya Drop" has the setting of a dark sci-fi 80s movie.

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Christina Aguilera - Fighter

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

purty obvious too, but Prince's "Batdance"

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

(and there's GOTTA be loads of early 90s gangsta videos that are gother than all of the above)

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Personally I was surprised nobody had mentioned DMX yet, surely he's done something that fills the bill.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Bone Thugs, "Tha Crossroads."

― Begs2Differ, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

cry me a river?

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

"Cry Me a River" is just creepy, but not in a particularly goth way.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

isn't peter cetera ALSO wearing a bauhaus t-shirt in some chicago video or other?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Where's the love for the gravediggaz? and i guess almost all horrorcore.. geto boyz's mind's playin tricks on me is kinda goth too..

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned -- you break my heart.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Er?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I think he means you're not honoring the fire by starting this thread.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh. Right.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i keep thinking of all sorts of rap videos but then i realize that they're noir and not goth. rap artists don't quite have the romanticism for goth (though the bone thugs seem to fit, yeah)

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

way to go, ned, now the fire's all dishonoured and everything.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

It has nothing to do with Honoring the Fire.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

rap artists don't quite have the romanticism for goth

Hm! I like this idea, develop further please (or other people chime in or whatever).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

well, the 3eb song is "i'll never let you go" but i cant find any pics for it.

― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

so the fire is ok then?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, geto boyz mind playing tricks on me, OTM..

that video was very scary to me

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

geto boyz's mind's playin tricks

this could be like the perfect noir rap track. it makes me think of chester himes and so on ...

rap artists don't quite have the romanticism for goth

well, we're talking about the psyche unraveling here, right? is that really present in goth?? apprehending the sublime is predicated on a pretty strong ego, i think ... whereas in rap (this strain, anyway) it seems the ego sort of dissolves. the rapper becomes the killer becomes the streets personified, etc. i haven't thought this out, though - i don't know if this formulation holds up to any scrutiny, ned.

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

also i know jack about goth

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

You won't find anything out about it here, Vahid.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

The romanticism is a key element, though, so you know more than you think!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

That's like saying: If you like cake, you'll love the taste of straight FLOUR!

Ned, please hand over all your Siouxsie albums. You clearly have no respect for them.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

*scratches head*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

"If you had real respect for goth, you wouldn't call these videos goth."

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

My version of respecting goth: making sure I never got into full make-up OTT all the time because I would look ridiculous (and also overheat).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

"If you had real respect for goth, you wouldn't call these videos goth."

Vaguely. More like, you wouldn't add to the proliferation of misinformation.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Duh, Ned, Alex is hinting that you forgot about the 98 degrees video where the goatee guy is wearing a Killing Joke T-shirt!

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

KILLING JOKE ARE NOT GOTHS!

.....you dicks!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Like there was any one approach for goth to start with. Alien Sex Fiend were goofballs, for instance. One reason why they worked so well!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

And they were produced by Youth!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

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this was more of a goth parody than anything else,

The video is a thinly veiled homage to the artwork of Edward Gorey.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:07 (twenty-two years ago)

MAndy Moore - "Candy"

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex in NYC, how do you get the Gorey homage? At least Gorey is tongue-in-cheek, I can't see that in the NIN video...

― A Wyck, Friday, 6 February 2004 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Who is to say the NIN vid isn't tongue-in-cheek (though that would be a stretch for ol' Trent). Seriously, just look at the imagery.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 6 February 2004 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Moreover, I'm not entirely convinced that Gorey-as-humorist is an entirely universal interpretation of his work (though I certainly think its accurate). While still macabre, his humor isn't as pronounced as, say, Charles Adams.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 6 February 2004 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)

So Ned, why hasn't the Rough Guide to Pop and Hip-Hop Videos That Are Goth been posted yet ? :)

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 6 February 2004 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Ya punk, it's right here! *flounces off*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Please don't misuse the word "punk" like that, Ned.

I'm KIDDING!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 6 February 2004 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

isn't peter cetera ALSO wearing a bauhaus t-shirt in some chicago video or other?
-- Eisbär (llamasfu...), February 4th, 2004.

"You're the Inspiration," from 1984. (Don't sleep on Cetera)

http://www.rhino.com/retrovid/VideoKeeper.lasso?Artist=Chicago

― late adopter, Thursday, 13 October 2005 02:56 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...

Anyway, yes indeed. How about some new ones from this year?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

oh i agree - though that wasn't the sense of "romanticism" i was using. i meant the stricter 19c defn of literary romanticism: the artist focusing inward on his emotional life, the struggle of his raging passions, often comparing it to the natural world, etc. this figures big in goth, i think, though not so much in rap.

Except for, like, 2Pac, whose "raging passions" turned him into the most idolized rap star ever*. Weirdly enough, it seems to me that most contemporary rappers followed in Biggie's footsteps--the cynical detachment, focus on material gains, dark humor--and eschewed the kind of focus on emotional life (or whatever) that Pac brought. Obv. the comparisons to nature aren't there (and the Black Panther politics that Pac was said to embody add a different dimension), but I think Pac was just about the most romantic rapper I can think of, and despite how many millions of rappers name-check him, I don't see the same sense of emotional turbulence in any except maybe DMX and Eminem. And, I guess, Kanye; but Kanye's willingness to be introspective isn't "romantic." At least I wouldn't call it that.

*Although the question is--was Pac really a "romantic" rapper in that sense, or has that aspect of him/his persona been played up since his death as part of the martyrdom-industrial complex? (i.e., turning Pac into a "real artist-poet" b/c, as we all know, "real" artists-poets-musicians-rappers are all about their FEELINGS and shit.

― max (maxreax), Sunday, 10 September 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, yes indeed. How about some new ones from this year?

Fall Out Boy - "A Little Less 'Sixteen Candles,' A Little More 'Touch Me'"

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 10 September 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

maybe that usher video where he's dressed up like clockwork orange

― William Ryan Stuart Hamilton (Stagger Lee), Monday, 11 September 2006 01:22 (nineteen years ago)

I was hoping this was going to be a new Rough Guide thread, with videos linked from Youtube instead of songs.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 11 September 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

En Vogue wasn't mentioned on this thread!!!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 11 September 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

En Vogue did a goth vid?

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 11 September 2006 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

Time to take Mike's sound advice and start linking.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 September 2006 01:44 (nineteen years ago)

(Starting from the top:

New Kids, "The Right Stuff"

Michael Jackson, "Thriller" (the full 13 minute version!)

Rockwell, "Somebody's Watching Me"

Backstreets, "Everybody")

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 September 2006 01:47 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure it was "Whatever" - it was very similar to Tricky's "Makes Me Wanna Die" video clip (was probably done by the same guy actually). Sorry not proficient with Youtube!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 11 September 2006 01:48 (nineteen years ago)

Madonna, "Frozen"

Ultravox, "Dancing With Tears In My Eyes"

Missy, "Get Ur Freak On"

Youtube is piss easy, Tim! Just use the search bar!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 September 2006 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

En Vogue, "Whatever"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 September 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

Bjork:

"Isobel"

"Venus as a Boy"

"Human Behavior"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 September 2006 01:52 (nineteen years ago)

Duran Duran, "Wild Boys" (long version!)

The Jacksons, "Torture"

Corey Hart, "Sunglasses at Night"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 September 2006 01:54 (nineteen years ago)

Rick Springfield, "Bop Til You Drop"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 September 2006 01:55 (nineteen years ago)

Christina Aguilera, "Fighter"

Prince, "Batdance"

Bone Thugs, "Tha Crossroads"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 September 2006 01:57 (nineteen years ago)

Gravediggaz:

"Diary of a Madman"

"Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide"

Geto Boys, "Mind Playin' Tricks on Me"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 September 2006 02:00 (nineteen years ago)

Melanie G, "Word Up"

Jagged Edge, "Walked Outta Heaven"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 September 2006 02:02 (nineteen years ago)

Shakespear's Sister, "Stay" (directed by Sophie Muller, lest we forget...)

Missy, "Hit Em Wit Da Hee"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 September 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

Pumpkins, "Stand Inside Your Love"

RHCP, "Otherside"

NIN, "The Perfect Drug"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 September 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

Nas, "Hate Me Now"

Puffy, "Come With Me"

Eminem, "The Way I Am"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 September 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

wow, that must've been one of the first big Sophie Muller vids.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 11 September 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

Mandy Moore, "Candy"

Fall Out Boy, "A Little Less 'Sixteen Candles'"

There, caught up.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 September 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

Ice Cube and Dr. Dre - Natural Born Killaz

― Gavin (Gavin), Monday, 11 September 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

PWEI - Ich Bin Ein Auslander

― Gavin (Gavin), Monday, 11 September 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Kelis - Get Along With You:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FSFU1flmN3o

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 11 September 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

Any newer ones? (And older ones too if the links in the last twenty/thirty or so posts aren't working.)

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 August 2008 21:06 (seventeen years ago)

Asa - Vaaranmaa

The best Finnish rap video ever!

― Tuomas, Friday, 22 August 2008 21:11 (seventeen years ago)

finish rap videos already fuck donnie green eye sinpson

― PappaWheelie V, Saturday, 23 August 2008 04:01 (seventeen years ago)

Rihanna - Disturbia

― Roz, Saturday, 23 August 2008 12:59 (seventeen years ago)

Hahah, true. I should have linked that immediately!

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 August 2008 13:03 (seventeen years ago)

Here's that Kelis video again (wau): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYsqgScbPp4

― HI DERE, Saturday, 23 August 2008 13:37 (seventeen years ago)

As a kid I thought that Bauhaus was a skate clothing line that became popular - like Stussy or Vision Street Wear.

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Saturday, 23 August 2008 13:59 (seventeen years ago)

Or more likely, I took it as evidence that NKOTB were skaters.

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Saturday, 23 August 2008 14:00 (seventeen years ago)

Huge & Mode - Seministit

Here's another fairly goth Finnish rap video.

― Tuomas, Saturday, 23 August 2008 14:11 (seventeen years ago)

...or maybe it's just the masks.

― Tuomas, Saturday, 23 August 2008 14:12 (seventeen years ago)

That Kelis video is amazing for sure. Paul Hunter also did "Hit Em Wit Da Hee" and "The Way I am".

shit you know I'm addicted to this now.

Big Brovas - Favourite Things
Snoop Dogg - Murder Was the Case
Royksopp - What Else Is There?
Marion Raven - End of Me
Phantom Planet - Big Brat

― Roz, Saturday, 23 August 2008 14:21 (seventeen years ago)

ten months pass...

Kanye West ft Rihanna- Paranoid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QotGHaAHPk

― late adopter, Thursday, 2 July 2009 10:09 (sixteen years ago)

five months pass...

New Jay-Z video obv:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM1RChZk1EU

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 January 2010 22:26 (sixteen years ago)

Amazingly Aaliyah has not been mentioned in this thread. This is the clip for "We Need A Resolution" but "Try Again" would also fit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQPvgHEMCFs

― Tim F, Friday, 1 January 2010 22:33 (sixteen years ago)

three years pass...

Been three years. Any updates?

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 May 2013 15:54 (twelve years ago)

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