'New' Look NME: Why Are The Reviews So Short?

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Why are there hardly any reviews in NME now and why are the reviews so small? Do they not want to pay too much per word to their employees now? I only ever bought it for the reviews as the news section is worthless now due to the advent of their own website.
Any magazines have a good reviews section that anyone can recommend?

― Christopher McGarry, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

There are only so many things you can say about the new rock.

If you want longer reviews Pitchfork Media has four every day I'm told.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Its not just NME, almost every music magazine has been leaning towards slashing wordcounts over the last five years or so, the understanding being that readers buy the magazines for the pictures over the writing. i disagree.

― stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Why are there hardly any reviews in NME now and why are the reviews so small?

Doh!!!! Because everyone know reading is for sad old anoracks and not hip young rock rebels!!!!! I'd expect they'd say: "Phew, Crikey!!! If you want to read, go get a book on trainspotting, Grandad!!!!!"

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I missed the reviews last time I read the NME, but mostly because the magazine kept slipping out of my hands due to the number of glossy White Stripes posters. COME BACK, COME BACK I SAY, (I said), to the quickly disappearing NME, but alas it was lost, lost to the floor where rub music rags go to die.

So hey - we DON'T buy magazines for pictures eh Stevie!

Cor I'm almost tempted to go and buy the NME at lunchtime, it's like being back in college on this thread! Shall we go to the pub?? Oh I can skip English this week.

― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

So hey - we DON'T buy magazines for pictures eh Stevie!

i think we buy magazines for words and pictures; i'm not interested in a magazine that's heavily slanted in favour of one element to the detriment of the other, which is why i've always thought style mags to be essentially useless. if it won't keep you enthralled for a long train journey then it is NOT DOING ITS JOB PROPERLY.

― stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Without wanting to turn into the board's resident IPC-brainwashed NME apologist can I respectfully point out that last week but one there were four pages of album reviews including at least 1,000 words on the Franz Ferdinand record, plus a track-by-track by the band themselves and a sidebar about the 'offical' bootleg. That's pretty thorough.

― laticsmon (laticsmon), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

That FF review was, how you say, remarkably thorough wasn't it...

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Shirokumas single review:

Moonlight in the Afternoon.

"Makes us want to have sex in dressing-up clothes"

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd just like to stand up for style mags.. sleazenation and the face have always had lots of good long articles as well as pictures of girls with their norks out

― snd, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

style mags cover music better than music mags anyway

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

style mags cover music better than music mags anyway

i've heard this argument before, and while i loved dan stacey's stuff in sleazenation, that was a good few years ago. the last style mag music stuff i read was jt leroy's von bondies piece and the distillers feature in the latest ID, and they were both unforgiveably atrocious.

my problem with style mags is that page after page of models staring vacantly out of pseudo-edgy posed panaramas of sordidness means page after page skipped within seconds for me. and i don't buy magazines to sigh exasperatedly at page after page of upperclass twats slumming conspicuously.

― stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:07 (twenty-two years ago)

But I thought you liked the Strokes. *hides*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

*fumes, while secretly admiring ned's gift for comic timing*

― stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Stringent Stepper OTM.

― s n d, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't believe anyone would be happy with the current reviews section of NME. Even Q magazine has cut back.
Do publishers think the youth of today have short attention spans and prefer soundbites and ringtones?

― Christopher McGarry, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd rather look at vacant models wearing pretty clothes than anyone the NME sees fit to put on their posters.

I think style magazines write about pop well, I really enjoyed reading the pieces on Xtina and Beyoncé in the Face in the past year. (It may well have been the first time I'd read the otm Xtina = new Madonna comparison.) I can't imagine they'd write about, er, 'real' music as well but then I doubt I'd be interested in reading about the Von Bondies anywhere anyway.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

yup.
(the short attention span thing)

― jellybean (jellybean), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Do publishers think the youth of today have short attention spans and prefer soundbites and ringtones?

Publishers, TV producers, radio producers, politicians, etc etc etc

― stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

that's why films have to have short flashy scenes, everything is written in soundbites, and singles can't be longer than 3mins long (even that franz ferdinand had to have half their single chopped off for radio play)

― jellybean (jellybean), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

What age are the writers/editorial team at NME? Or do they get told from elsewhere what to publish? i.e. Marketing Analysts

― Christopher McGarry, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"Do publishers think the youth of today have short attention spans and prefer soundbites and ringtones?"

I work for a very venerable, 100-something-year-old cultural/literary magazine in the USA and even our publisher wants shorter articles and brighter, sound-bite graphics.

― LondonLee (LondonLee), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i blame the internet, as it has increased the speed at which we receive and pass on information consequently reducing our attention span in some cases. perhaps this is what many publications have identified and are trying to compete with.

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Crikey!!! I wonder what the 2020 equivalenty of NME is going to be like:

"ALBUMS:
Son of The Strokes: "1979.64"
Ug!!! Me Like!!!!"

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Or perhaps just a "thumbs up" icon!!!!

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Graded thus:
:( OMG WTF LOL
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:) OMG
:) OMG WTF
:) OMG WTF LOL

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

In answer to Christopher's question, the bulk of NME's newish writers (Tim Jonze, Krissi Murison, Dan Martin) are around 24. Some freelancers are younger than that (Rick Martin's the youngest - in his teens). The featues/live/albums editors are all a bit older (26-30) and the designers and subs are older still. The editor, Conor, is 28 I believe. Older than the last one who was the youngest ever but considerably younger than Steve Sutherland who's still around and in his late-40s.

― laticsmon (laticsmon), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

they should get Thom Yorke to edit it for a week like he did with the Today programme - i'd buy it

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, I agree with you that style mags generally write abt pop better but it's not saying much. Almost all pieces in the NME get hampered by the fact that the writer needs to make a point along the lines of, "Hey, the Strokes are all very well but...!" and Q seems to do quite well re: juicy qoutes and such but is basically held back by the fact that it's Q.

I didn't see the Distillers piece in ID but there was one in the Face which was faintly horrible, quasi-pornographic tattle better suited to the Daily Star. I don't even like the Distillers that much.

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

week after that, Dizzee Rascal - just have a guest editor every week, it'd be the HIGNFY of the music press

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The editor, Conor, is 28 I believe.

He looks about half that however... I wonder if he gets ID'd in pubs

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Crikey!!! I wonder what the 2020 equivalenty of NME is going to be like:
"ALBUMS:
Son of The Strokes: "1979.64"
Ug!!! Me Like!!!!"

ha ha!!!!

i dunno. from what i hear from several high-powered locomotive pr's - the editor of the nme is more interested in selling music magazines than music. and tells *that* darkness story with pride. sad state, really.

― ha ha, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

last week but one there were four pages of album reviews

Which is hella lot less than they had only 4 or 5 years ago. I haven't read NME in that long though.

ha ha -- erm, yeah shockah the nme wants to sell copies of the nme...

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

"the editor of the nme is more interested in selling music magazines than music."

Now I don't mean to snipe here, but have you really thought about this one?

Er, x-post

― Jason J, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

but what about the music, maaan? yeah, i know about that, everybody wants to sell, but he admitted to the pr that he did not give a toss about music. he just wants to sell issues.

i get bored with that. and from what i pick up when i occassionally read ilxor.com i find the whole 'behind the scenes' thing, bewildering.

can i ask a question from anybody posting or lurking - was the music journalism of the 70s/80s better? more fun? less, umm, of *this* and more about the music and fun?

― ha ha, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

yes it was better. over the past few years, i've often thought i'd be better off as a photographer

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I think four pages of album reviews has been about par for the course the whole time I've been reading it, actually (since '93). Depends what time of the year it is

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I could be wrong -- though I think they have bigger pix now. It was always about the incredibly self-indulgent 45s page for me, though...

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps thats why all the "strokes are the greatest band ever" "Jet is the best debut album of the last 20 years" stuff all rings hollow.
If NME isnt interested in music, then maybe thats why music fans just aren't interested in NME anymore.

― Christopher McGarry, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

ha ha, Actually, I don't mind the editor of the NME being interested in selling copies per se, I just don't see the flipping point of selling a music magazine by reducing the actual music content to microdot proportions!!!!

BTW Four pages of the current format = how many of the older broadsheet NME format?

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Doomie my guess is that

- the criticism was better
- the 'journalism' (fact-checking, training etc.) was worse
- the level of bitchiness and gossip was the same

NME in the 80s had a big period of de-emphasising music.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i've written a few articles but the politics and the bitching just makes it seem 'oh so pointless'. that and the endless corporate cocksucking to achieve anything. i had a naive sense that it would be like, ummm, a bunch of people who really loved music and art but it seems so careerist. and dull. there are some who aren't like that but it is the minority. i jacked it in before i properly started!

― ha ha, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

tom, sorry, mate, this is not doomie.

― ha ha, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

why are the reviews so short, because the people involved don't remember the golden era of Melody Maker 1987/1988.

Also much of the music that NME champion these days is simpleton retro/ regressive/ trad conformist songs rock that doesm't warrant analysis.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Oops - well sorry whoever then!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

its not the nme, per say, but music magazines in general. where is the love?

― ha ha, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

i want obsessiveness and passion back in the press. never going to happen is it?

― ha ha, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Passion = ILX worm-can interface

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i am just about to hurl myself under a bus

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

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Would he be Nasty Nigel during the fights. C_man when rapping about life and Calz when he is social?

― Jimmy the Saints, Friday, 13 February 2004 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

social?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 February 2004 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

"social" haha

(miss jean brodie type voice)
"oi you geordie layabout, no, I don't want to buy any 'tack'. I have a proper education, you know, not like you PLEASE GIVE ME A JOB IN TEH MEDIA!!1!1!!!!!!! I AM DESPERATE AND WILL WORK FOR SIGNED PHOTOS OF JOANNE GUEST!!!1!!!1!!@#"

"ahhh howay maaan y' fukn twat aaaa just TWOCd y' car hahahhahaahaaaaaa now me an mee myets aaa gannin te crack y' one"

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not this other guy and I'll kick this Pashmina's head in cos he's obviously spoilt middle class scum right?

― Nutty Nigel (Nutty Nigel), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

You all seem obsessed by this Calum guy anyway - is he buff or wot? You guys are poofs who want him obviously and can't get enough of him, but I bet he's spoilt middle class scum too. I'm not. I'm the real deal.

― Nutty Nigel (Nutty Nigel), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Umm, I actually do come from Newcastle...

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

hAHA, SO DO i, OR RATHER, i COME FROM "mIDDLE CLASS " JARROW!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, South Shields to be specific like.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Shit Calum, they all owned you again!!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Good grief Mark, South Shields = where I work, and thus where I am sitting now (approx 500yds from chichester metro station!!)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

You will be kicked in the head mate. You watch it. I'm not Calum right?

― Nutty Nigel (Nutty Nigel), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh piss off Calum.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

you are fooling nobody.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, whatever. (nigel)

Heck! Chi! that metro station was what used to be my first school.. Laygate Lane! Alice street my granma's where we lived when my dad was stationed in germany.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha, do you remember Holdsworth's in Dean Road? MY SHOP!!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I know Dean Road, Holdsworths? What they do? (I lived there back in 1965 or so, but I return a fair bit.. I have friends who live in Dean Road).

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

So, Nigel/Calum d'ya want to be in a movie? I promise that you won't have to touch yrself like the last one you did that went straight-to-'net.

― Jimmy the Saints, Friday, 13 February 2004 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"ahhh howay maaan y' fukn twat aaaa just TWOCd y' car hahahhahaahaaaaaa now me an mee myets aaa gannin te crack y' one"

-- Pashmina (pashmin...), February 13th, 2004.

so so SO owned.

― jmmy the saint, Friday, 13 February 2004 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Nigel could be in the movie, and Calum could review it for his "cult" film 'zine!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 13 February 2004 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark - I run a bike repair shop.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 13 February 2004 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

What would the article be called ...???

"Nigel, a hot and sexy buff bod 'takes' on several men in a Newcastle estate to achieve a career in media. A trying journey for all involved."

*****

― jmmy the saints, Friday, 13 February 2004 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

It could be the new "get carter", couldn't it?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 13 February 2004 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Get Calum!

Yes.

Calum being interviewed by his own webzine.

Calum: I fought long and hard for it to be called 'I'm a Genius, Get Calum Outta Here' but the producers won by offering to cut several hard-core gay sex scenes from the film. It worked well. I am looking for an agent at the moment and am fielding offers from other 'net zines.

― JIMMY THE SAINTS, Friday, 13 February 2004 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Calum: In fact, I'm playing the third orderly in the new production of 'Gareth Meranghi's' 'Dark Places' -- in it I give birth to a giant eye through my anus. I feel like it is a return to my horror roots after dabbling with indepedant cinema.'

― Jimmy the Saints, Friday, 13 February 2004 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Calum: Well, you do know your stuff, Nasty Nigel. I have had offers of work from some of the top PR mailrooms but I'm focusing mainly on the work and writing. My mam is helping me out with the calls. Oh, I'm averaging about two calls a week now. The W*ddl* household really has never been so socially busy. I have to thank ILX for giving me the strength to believe in myself and my mam.

― Jimmy the Saints, Friday, 13 February 2004 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Funny, I thought "Holdsworth the bike shop", (didn't want to commit myself).

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 February 2004 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Look out behind you nigel!!

http://www.modculture.co.uk/images/visuals/vis25.jpg

(nb isn't it sad that a google image search for "get carter" yields more hits for the stallone version)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 13 February 2004 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

ha ha ha!!!!

Nigel: Is it true that you fought with the co-producer Pashimina on set alot?

Calum: FUXXXOR!!! INTERVIEW OVER. I'M OUT OF HERE. LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT PASHIMINA...

― jimmy the sainted, Friday, 13 February 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

nb: the rest of the interview takes up three screens where he tries to convince everyone that they are seperate identities. the world fails to wake up.

― jimmy the sainted, Friday, 13 February 2004 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...

Supposedly the nme editor Conor McNicholas doesn't think 19 year olds have the attention span for longer reviews.

― Ralf, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe that's just NME reading 19 year old?

― mei (mei), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

tim jonze has a piece in the guardian.

― the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Monday, 15 May 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

tim jonze has a font in his garden.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 May 2006 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

Why are there hardly any reviews in NME now?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 15 May 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

To make room for the pictures and gossip, of course!

― I Was Wrong, That Don't Mean You Were Right (kate), Monday, 15 May 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

But what if they were to dump doherty from the nme?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 15 May 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

It has to happen some day right?
he was dismissed as a "just a worn-out drug addict" by NME
But the Readers disagree Pete Doherty voted one of the greatest rock stars of all time by readers of NME.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 15 May 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

Well, watch as from now on, the NME will be kicking Pete every chance they get.

1) He has no record deal anymore
2) Kate-less
3) Now we're all tired of him
4) Now his star is in decline, they will take their readership away from him. They can do this. and will.
5) Carlos has his act together.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

you're clearly still not tired of him tho Mark.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

Mark Grout and DJ Martian, yesterday:

http://my.brandeis.edu/news/images/bernstein_woodward_ap_bild.jpg

"There's gotta be a new angle to this NME story boss! I just gotta find it!"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

he lost his record deal!? hahahahahaha.

― the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

No Doherty this week Steve Sutherland, I have decided to put Burial on the front cover

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

xpost to Konal.

As of next week, I shall not post on the subject again. Unless he makes a blinding record and/or a stunning recovery, who needs it.

But:

Anticipating the falling out, I can see the NME way overcompensating in their 'condemnation' of him, in some way washing their hands of the responsibility. They made him "hero number two" to their obvious dismay, and his fall will be way sharper than when they decided to never again say "Shed Seven".

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe he'll end up in jail and they will start a "free pete" campaign if nme sales drop after slagging him off.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 15 May 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Please don't stop posting about him Mark it's good

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 15 May 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

You need to keep his flame alive after everyone has forgotten!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 15 May 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/rockandalt/
Is Pete a rock 'n' roll hero?

Yes

12.1%

87.9%

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 15 May 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

well of course BBC website users have long been the barometer of rock; back in the mid-90s they couldnt keep quiet about all the drum'n'bass that other government-funded corporations were ignoring.

― the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Monday, 15 May 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

-- stevie
They don't even offer posters. I used to buy Kerrang every week in the early - mid 90s just for the posters. Until all you ever got was nu-metal posters and I stopped.

WHy don't more magazines have posters? Select used to give away great posters. I still have some on my wall.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 15 May 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

The Guardian is giving away shark identification posters all this week.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 15 May 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

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