Taking Sides : Tim Buckley -- Jeff Buckley

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― Boy with a thorn in his side, Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Jeff who?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Tim, for not dying after one record. And Starsailor still freaking me out every time I listen to it.

― stephen morris, Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

hmm this is sort of tuff for me.

― Chris V (Chris V), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I have only heard Jeff Buckley once I think!

It was rubbish.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to really like Timbo when i was younger but I've grown out of him - I think it's real adolescent's music (like Nick Drake). I actually find his voice quite irritating now, but I still like a lot of his music, esp. "Blue Afternoon". Jeff? Who cares?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Was listening to some off Tim Buckley's 'starsailor' this morning. If ppl don't dig diamanda galas (but think they like ppl who try stretching their voices in the studio) and enjoy things like john martyn's 'solid air' (more from an 'experimental folk' type angle) then try and d/l off slsk (actually scratch a lot of this, very rough description but will revive the starsailor thread at some point).

jeff was terrible but he died young (only completed one alb). its not really a fair comparison.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll take Lord Buckley.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Tim's music still resonates decades after the fact. It's hard to say exactly how Jeff's material will age -- my thought is that it will age just fine -- but he wasn't around long enough to develop the depth or transitionary works like his pops did.

Tim, by a mile.

― christoff (christoff), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

He was around longer than Tim he just wasn't as good

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

but only one album right?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Well Tim started recording when he was about 18-19. Jeff was still singing along to Led Zeppelin records at that age.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

haha the point is we don't know how good he could have been bcz he died after only completing one album.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

But hasn't he done a Tupac and gained a new lease of life after his death... so to speak.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

... and Jeff has (and deserves) more life after death than, say, Cobain, because of he domonstrated so much hope in his potential.

― christoff (christoff), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

well obv the rec label is trying to cash in and its annoying bcz the little I've heard of it is terrible but there is nothing to compare.

Tim had those years to change if he wanted and do what he wanted, jeff didn't.

x-post: haha nooo!!!! Jeff was freddie mercury back from the grave man! Cobain's voice was miles better.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw Jeff Buckley live seven times between the summers of '93 and '94 and I thought he was fantastic. At Sin-e, at the Mercury, at the Cornelia St. Cafe, at St. Marks, at St. Ann's. In fact the first time I saw him I didn't know his name, so did know of the Buckley lineage. I saw him with a blank slate and he sang "Lilac Wine," "Be Your Husband," and "Hallelujah" and it's one of the better musical memories of my life, the only time I've seen an artist, cold, and thought, "Oh my god."

Now, his own composltions might be another matter, but I maintain that "Last Goodbye," "Dream Brother" (the live versions), "Jewel Box," and "Morning Theft" are beautiful tunes.

― Tab25, Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

the rec label is trying to cash in

I was about to say, somebody's TRYING to make him a Tupac for some sort of avant-sensitive artiste sense. But frankly I'm with Tico.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

This is very tough for me. I loved Tim's sense of adventure and sense of humor. I loved how organic and free his music was; I'm not usually enthralled by whimsy, but he had some magic. Jeff's music on the other hand was anything but whimsical, it was very heavy and raw and altogether gorgeous. Way more operatic and forceful than his father's. Tim never really pushed himself quite the same as Jeff did though (smack might have had something to do with that).

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 February 2004 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's real adolescent's music (like Nick Drake).

What about it makes it adolescent's music? What about Nick Drake for that matter -- how does he tie in?

― Steev, Thursday, 12 February 2004 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok, wait, I see some connection (in the brevity of their career and relatively small amount of output), but I guess I'm wondering more about the use of the term "adolescent's music."

― Steev, Thursday, 12 February 2004 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Dadismus -- have you heard any of Tim's later albums? I could see how his first two albums could be categorized with Drake under the "frail, sensitive flower" banner, but by, say, Greetings from LA that was long gone.
I'll take Tim any day of the week. (NB, I haven't heard his last two albums. I'm a little afraid to.)

― Prude (Prude), Thursday, 12 February 2004 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

TS: Tim vs Jeff

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 12 February 2004 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you guys would like Jeff more if he were still alive and unknown, that's what I think. I saw him live, and he was incredible.

― Tab25, Thursday, 12 February 2004 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

the point about tim being an adolescent enthusiasm cf. Nick Drake feels right on. jeff was a raw developing talent distorted by industry hype and his own reaction to the biz. anybody remotely intrigued by these two sould read Dream Brothers by David Browne.

― sonic lifer, Friday, 13 February 2004 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Tab - doubt it. The only time I heard a Jeff Buckley song I had no idea it was him, I'd forgotten he did a version of "Hallelujah". I asked somebody in the shop who the awful music was by (obviously I didn't say 'awful', that would have been most impolite) and they said. Maybe he was incredible live, though, and "Hallelujah" isn't a song I like that much in the first place. Actually what his reading reminded me most of was Christina Aguilera's "The Christmas Song" - emote at everything and hope something sticks. (Aguilera has survived long enough to grow out of that approach a bit though or at least to use it well. As people keep saying, Buckley only had one album.)

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

The only one I have is the 'Live at Sin-e' double CD/DVD. It is interesting... (in a good way)

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 February 2004 12:26 (twenty-two years ago)

me dad gives me a jeff buckley dvd, says he bought it by accident cos he thought it was some blind guitar player he liked (???)
says: here: you might like this, you've got bad taste...!

thanks dad.

tim, no questions. greetings from la is the soundtrack to 14 year old me.
lorca (title track) is the next year headfuck.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 13 February 2004 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually his emoting was a lot worse when it came to his live recordings - nothing to rein him in as he systematically sang a variety of covers to death (it's called leaving your stamp).

― Jedmond, Friday, 13 February 2004 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)

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