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beyond a little pharoah sanders and a shamek farrah lp (first impressions) from 74, i dont know much about this label at all, but maybe you do? What do you think about Stata East?

Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Friday, 13 February 2004 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

the two comps are fucking great.

mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 13 February 2004 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Difficult and pricey to find originals, though Scorpio did an armful of vinyl "reissues" over the past few years.

The SJR comps are def. the best place to start. Alongside the already mentioned Pharoah and Shamek Farrah, classics here are the two Ju Ju's (precursors to Oneness of Juju), Gil's massive Winter In America, Charles Sullivan's Genesis, the Heath Bros' Marchin' On, and Cecil McBee's Mutima. The second sides on these last three titles contain my favourite Strata East moments.

Mtume's Alkebu-Lan is a sprawling statement but not as intoxicating as his next step, Rebirth Cycle.

I see my incomplete discography is still available at http://www.freeform.org/music/Strataeast.html

doug watson (solid air), Friday, 13 February 2004 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The Charles Tolliver Music Inc. big band records I've heard (which is like two; damn I need to get the rest of his stuff) are great. It's the kind of wonderfully arranged large band sound that you just don't see that much of anymore, hell you really didn't see all that much in the 70s. Kind of post-Ellington with an afro/soul vibe. I think his other records are more standard quartet format, but what a great group with Stanley Cowell & Cecil McBee. Cowell's Regeneration disc is nice too.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

you may enjoy the soul jazz strata east comp so much you will be tempted to buy "vibes from the tribe" - DON'T!!

vahid (vahid), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

CRAZY TALK

Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it goes Strata East >> Black Jazz >> Tribe. For me, anyway. But all three labels were great.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Andy, would it change your mind if i said WHAT I MEANT TO SAY WAS "Message from the Tribe", the tribe compilation NOT "Vibes from the Tribe" the Phil Ranelin album.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I always get the two titles confused. Regardless, no -- it wouldn't change my mind.

I'm not familiar enough with the three labels to make an informed judgment, but I'd probably still rank them like Broheems.

Back to Strata East, how's Weldon Irvine's In Harmony? I've got most of his other albums and like them in varying degrees.

Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Message has the great Marcus Belgrave track ("Odyssey"?), so I'm afraid you're still in error.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, "Space Odyssey."

Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

yes but so does universal sound, though you get TWO david durrah tracks, new line trio's "empty streets", "kitty bey" and fairly overcompiled stuff that may save you having to buy albums.

Message has its moments but i thought it was just too hit-or-miss to feel good about spending the money. "what we need" hits the mid-70s afropositivism note perfectly but "for the children" is just saccharine. the uptempo tracks just sound like library music, which is not to say they're bad, just sort of undistinguished for a label like soul jazz. "la margherita" is just awful, the sort of obscurity that deserves to stay obscure.

i guess the reasons i haven't sold it back are 1) the enclosed magazine excerpts are fantastic 2) the downtempo tracks ("what we need", "moves") are just great.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

just please nobody make fun of me for how much i say just

vahid (vahid), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, Vahid I basically agree with you. That comp really isn't especially mind-blowing in any way. But I'm interested in little cottage industries like that, local scenes, and it is a great document (as you mention, the magazine reproductions are really neat). Also it aids my interest (as I suspect is the case with Andy) that the scene in question is Detroit.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

the Heath Bros' Marchin' On, and Cecil McBee's Mutima. The second sides on these last three titles contain my favourite Strata East moments.

This is sooooo true. i love these two albums.

I have a copy of Music Inc's "Impact" and while it definitely is interesting to hear how 70s spiritual jazz affected the big band sound, I'd much rather listen to  either of the "Liberation Music Orchestra" albums.

I've heard many times that Billy Harper's "Capra Black" is great, but I've never heard it. I love Eugene McDaniels and he sings lead on this.

JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Back to Strata East, how's Weldon Irvine's In Harmony? I've got most of his other albums and like them in varying degrees.

Shorter tracks, with none of the sloppy vocal charm or extended group interactions that elevated Time Capsule. It's also top heavy with the best cuts. "Fat Mouth" is nice and humping r&b, while the slinky groove on "Turkish Bath" is the main reason I keep a copy. That said, it ain't that far removed from what Lonnie Liston Smith was working around the same time. "Turkish Bath" may be a big deal to some, but it still ain't no "Mr. Clean."

After these two opening kicks, the album settles into a diverse snooziness, w/ a couple of solo piano cuts, a shuffling blues, and a cover of "Sweet Georgia Brown" in 3/4. Eh, not my choice fare.

I think Ubiquity reissued this one back in the early 90s, which likely contributed to its overrating.

doug watson (solid air), Saturday, 14 February 2004 01:05 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
currently listening to Mutima because of the kozmigroov - c/d thread.

the double squealy bass and the female vocals are fucking ace!

The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Stanley Cowell's song "Equipoise" is beautiful. even when it's played in more straight versions. i'm listening to it on Cowell's album of the same name from 79. it's just a trio (piano, bass and drums), and it's still as moving. it's also great on Max Roach's "Members Don't Git Weary". also, it's been sampled by the pharcyde.

The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:30 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm surprised i've never listened to Weldon Irvine. with all the love given to him by the hip hop/jazz community (cover of Waxpoetics magazine, sampled by Tribe, a whole Yesterday's New Quintet album of his songs).

what's good? what's in print?

The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:32 (twenty-one years ago)

hooray!

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:56 (twenty-one years ago)

i have put on souljazzlovestrataeast to commemorate.

and i need some weldon irvine schooling too!

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 06:08 (twenty-one years ago)

have you seen the Black Jazz site? http://www.blackjazz.com/

the dude is (rightfully so) a bit crazy. i guess souljazz didnt't pay licensing fees and he's pissed. he also goes on a anti bootlegging rant inside the site. once you're inside, though, it's a great resource. all the records, covers, bios, some sounds, tracklisting.

and who wouldn't want this on a shirt?!

http://www.blackjazz.com/images/BlackJazzLogo.jpg

The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 06:17 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
black jazz for cafe apres midi

1. kellee peterson - be all your own
2. walter bishop, the jr. - coral keys
3. henry franklin - little miss laurie
4. gene russell - black orchid
5. calvin keys - gee-gee
6. doug carn - mighty mighty
7. walter bishop, jr. - 4th cycle / blue bossa
8. gene russell - you are the sunshine of my life
9. rudolph johnson - the water bearer
10. doug carn - reveration
11. henry franklin - soft spirit
12. the awakening - brand new feeling
13. gene russell - my cherie amour
14. calvin keys - shawn-neeq
15. walter bishop, jr. - waltz for zweetie
16. doug carn - naima

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 21 May 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

free soul - best of black jazz

1. henry franklin - blue lights
2. doug carn - power and glory
3. rudolph johnson - the highest pleasure
4. roland haynes - eglise
5. kellee paterson - magic wand of love
6. doug carn - little b's poem
7. the awakening - mode for d.d.
8. walter bishop jr's 4th cycle - n' dugu's prayer
9. doug carn - chant
10. gene russell - my favorite things
11. doug carn - higher ground
12. rudolph johnson - diswa
13. chester thompson - power house
14. gene russel - get down
15. the awakening - kera' s dance
16. kellee peterson - see you later

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 21 May 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

return of jazz funk - killer jazz funk from the black jazz vaults

1. gene russell - get down
2. the awakening - slinky
3. kellee patterson - soul daddy (lady)
4. chester thompson - weird harold
5. roland haynes - funky mama moose
6. calvin keys - aunt lovey
7. rudolph johnson - devon jean
8. gene russell - listen here
9. walter bishop jr. - soul village
10. doug carn - adam's apple
11. cleveland eaton - chitown theme
12. henry franklin - plastic creek stomp
13. calvin keys - bk
14. kellee peterson - see you later

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 21 May 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

OK three new black jazz compilations from the good japanese people at p-vine, each costs about $29- where i shop.

and i still haven't bought the universal sound "best of black jazz records", which has the following tracklisting:

the awakening - mode for d.d.
doug carn - higher ground
calvin keys - aunt lovey
roland Haynes - eglise
the awakening - slinky
walter bishop jr. - coral Keys
rudolph johnson - diswa
henry franklin - blue lights
kellee patterson - maiden voyage
chester thompson - powerhouse
the awakening - march on
walter bishop jr. - soul village
rudolph johnson - highest pleasure

and runs about $20- where i shop.

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 21 May 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

OK so if i buy all four i will end up spending about $130!! for that much i could buy 50% of the black jazz catalog on CD from gene russell's website!!

but toru hashimoto's roy ayers compilation was so great! i have great faith in the p-vine compilations, as far as hand-picking the best tracks.

so ... which is the best chicken burger for my money??

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 21 May 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

I only have the Universal Sound one, but it's great (that said, P-Vine comps are generally high quality). I'd buy that, then buy the proper albums.

the dude is (rightfully so) a bit crazy. i guess souljazz didnt't pay licensing fees and he's pissed.

I haven't checked out the Black Jazz website in a couple of years, so I don't know if the write up has changed, but I was under the impression that this guy had the rights to the discography/catalogue BUT Soul Jazz being in Europe just licenced the tracks from someone else (I'd find it hard to believe they would release something illegally). The Doug Carn and Best of Black Jazz were out of print for the better part of 5 years until aboot 2 years ago, so either they worked out the problems, or don't give a shit. This becomes even more bizarre when you think back to the original bio material they had on Doug Carn on the Soul Jazz website where they said that bootlegging was such a problem in the US in the 1970s that more albums were returned to Black Jazz (for refunds) than they had actually pressed!

Vic Funk, Saturday, 21 May 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/f/farrah_sham_worldofth_101b.jpg

WANT THIS!

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 29 July 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
i ended up buying all of those compilations! i really like "cafe apres midi", haven't really gotten into the other two japanese comps yet. "best of black jazz" sounds a little ... leaden next to "cafe apres midi".

has anybody noticed that "space odyssey" is practically a cover of freddie hubbard's "red clay"??

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

also maybe a mod could change the title to "strata east / tribe / black jazz"??

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

how is the sound quality on the japanese p-vine reissues of black jazz albums?

they are damn expensive, $30.49 for a CD in a cardstock LP-style sleeve.

you can get the black jazz stuff from the new US black jazz for around $10-15 depending on whether you go to ebay or direct or what, but lots of those albums have these totally ominous labels on the back like "transfered direct to digital from one-track analog" and stuff.

is the sound on US versions terrible compared to JP or what?

i always hear the same about sun ra albums but to be honest i haven't ever caught much difference there ...

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 3 September 2007 03:39 (eighteen years ago)

bump?

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 00:22 (eighteen years ago)

three years pass...

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jaxon, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 19:09 (fourteen years ago)

Oh wow.

The 700 KKKlub (lpz), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 19:20 (fourteen years ago)

thirteen years pass...

:O

https://strata-east.bandcamp.com/album/strata-east-the-legacy-begins

sleeve, Saturday, 22 February 2025 23:52 (one year ago)


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