Taking Sides: William Wiggins vs. $$

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ILM's most thug'd out, blinged down and krunked up posters.

What's really good.

― ddb, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

after wiggins posted that jerkin off to r. kelly thing, i kind of some respect for him. or was it gained?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

i think everyone knows who's really putting it the fuck down right now.

― William Wiggins, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

i kind of lost. eek.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Four posts by morning!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Correct answer: John Cena.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I really liked Wiggins in 'Dazed and Confused'.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

UK thugs STAND UP.

― ddb, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

mommy, why is that guy rapping funny?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

it's funny because indie rock doesn use slang

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

or maybe: indie-fratboy u.s. "noise rock" "prl" pedantic "oh i didnt really say that" letter not spirit of the law assholes in quasi-racist "wigger" jokes shocker

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

what?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

or maybe: indie-fratboy u.s. "noise rock" "prl" pedantic "oh i didnt really say that" letter not spirit of the law assholes in quasi-racist "wigger" jokes shocker

how does momus' "bon mot" about his "favorite new jew" fit into this?

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Wigger, Wigga - "White Nigger." [Cont] This term denotes someone who is White but acts, dresses, or talks as if they were Black. Popular in Black and White parlance, though "wigga" is the preferred in Black and "wigger" in white parlance.

(As opposed to regular white indie kids who don't really think about what color they are and don't spend every day of their lives fearing that their car will break down in the South Bronx and some "blinged-out" "pimp" will ambush them and pop-quiz them on BDP or whatever.)

-- Jody Beth Rosen (edito...), September 10th, 2002.

― ;-), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

this place is getting mad ugly

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

why are most white rappers ugly?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

trife, i never ever ever used "wigger" as a putdown. believe it or not, i was going after "authenticity"-obsessed dick-wavers who do use that word, and i wasn't doing it in some edgy satirical vice way either. lay off already.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah indie kids have no racial hang-ups whatsoever.

― djdee2005, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

the "regular white" ones I mean.

― djdee2005, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

clearly

― ddb, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i still maintain that there ARE people who don't spend every second of their life worrying about what other races think of them.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah theyre called republicans

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

would you rather i changed my party affiliation?

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Boy it's nice to live in a colorblind society!

― djdee2005, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

That white girl on blackpeopleloveus.com is hot.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i still don't really understand how "not worrying" = "racism" and "republicanism" but okay whatever.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

jody i do like you and im not trying to chump you or anything but i dont really see what making a joke about underground rap has to do with 'obsessively worrying abt what other races think of me' but then i dont see what your racial insensitivity has to do with fighting racism either

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean the colorblind schtick is fine for when the bodyguard comes on tv at your parents house but most ppl are actually offended by it bcz usually it means 'youre my friend so i'll excuse your blackness ok??'

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

that's unfair $, jody's shown no racial insensitivity here or anywhere

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

shes advocating racial insensitivity as a lifestyle!! how is this any difft from 'slavery was a long time ago!! just let it go!!'

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

'well i dont see colors, just people... so, sorry but we'll have to reject your college application'

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

"advocating racial insensitivity" ???

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

racially insensate

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

you are reading WAY too far into this, trife. let it go.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm hearing all these $$ posts in the voice of Tasty Taste. "Do I LOOK like I'm paranoid?"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

this has NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with "colorblindness."

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

forget it, must be pick a fuckin' fight for no reason day

"day"

it's not just you, $, and you know I love ya, but damn, fight the real enemy

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

the queers

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

oh for fucks sake, i cant believe yall are arguing for the racial sensitivity of someone who puts 'blinged-out' and 'pimp' in scare quotes when talking abt a hypothetical south bronx dweller

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

i liked that long thread that william wiggins started with all the crazy pictures and stuff (that was him, right?), and i'm not really a big puff daddy fan so i never really click on Trife's threads so i will say that they both show a lot of, um, enthusiasm for things.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

>fight the real enemy

He tried that. Wound up punching himself in the temple really hard, which is why he posts the stuff he does now.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

$ you didn't read Jody's definition the way I did.

phil that's not cool or fair. or funny.

I'm remembering how nice my life was during my exile. sigh.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

the intended voice of the scare quotes was of the (as i said above) authenticity-obsessed dick waver, if that wasn't clear.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

thing is, there aren't any fake enemies in the unconscious racism wars

― w, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

that post was a joke, I'm fairly certain, an apparently completely misread one

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Why's it gotta be a WAR though?

x-post

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah jody you should be ashamed of yourself for not being obsessed with race.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish I had a dollar for every time someone on ILX said "You know I love you but".

It sounds really unctuous and corny.

― Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Broheems I hate you.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

jody i read the thread again and i can sort of see what you mean but you have to admit it ws a really weird way to put it, what authenticity obsessed dickwavers you were trying to attack?? me bcz i said i liked rjd2's beats and wanted him to work w rappers i liked? i dont think youre a racist but you were using the language and logic of racists

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

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I think it's interesting that the two posters who are the most predictable and, not coincidentally, the most irritating and divisive are both obsessed with racial issues.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

ilx sure gets a helluva lotta humor mileage outta de-humanizing them too

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

well, pathological consistency is not the most human of traits, so it's no mystery as to why people wonder. Actually trife doesn't bother me so much. But, like Geir, it's clear he's got a lot of "baggage".

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck off ilm.

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)

shakey are you saying that rocks are pathologicially consistent? what about dishwashers?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Shakey, listen, it's like this: WW and $$ are both interested in hip hop, and they tend to post on hip hop threads. Now, unfortunately, most people can't discuss hip hop without resorting to crypto-racist bullshit. Trife and Wiggins just call them on it, and everyone jumps on them for being touchy.

― Dan I., Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't even know who WW is, so I could care less. I don't have a problem with Trife either really - it's just that, like Geir, you don't even have to ask him to know what his opinion is gonna be or which side he's gonna take.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:45 (twenty-two years ago)

and yes Jess, rocks and dishwashers are both more consistent in their behaviors than the average human.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

though neither is consistent as trife.

― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Shakey if you've ever used an industrial dishwasher you'd know just how erratic they can be.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought vegetables were lame but then I had them caramelized, and damn, that shit's good.

Also - a huge chicken korma.

And German sausage.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Scrambled eggs and sourdough on a Sunday morning.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I was about to say shakey, has William ever really said anything about race other than on that Bamboozled thread? And if not, why were you characterizing him as doing so? Because he likes to post pictures of black people!?

― Dan I., Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:50 (twenty-two years ago)

have you ever noticed that sometimes on radio edits when they reverse the word "niggas" it sounds like "Wiggins"? especially on that Bravehearts song. AND I HATE Y'ALL WIGGINS YA QUICK TO BACK DOWN

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 11 March 2004 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Downloading songs either has recommended has made me happy. So hooray for d k and $$.

― Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 11 March 2004 04:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Jess, it's 11 PM. You told me I could have my slave back at nine. Don't make me hit you.

― Jack White (natedetritus), Thursday, 11 March 2004 04:58 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

stereotypes are fun

-- strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:50 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link
you should try racism

-- ddb, Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:51 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link
i have my feet up on a slave right now as i type this

-- strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:52 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

― and what, Friday, 24 August 2007 18:59 (eighteen years ago)

have you ever noticed that sometimes on radio edits when they reverse the word "niggas" it sounds like "Wiggins"? especially on that Bravehearts song. AND I HATE Y'ALL WIGGINS YA QUICK TO BACK DOWN

-- Al (sitcom), Wednesday, March 10, 2004 10:31 PM (3 years ago)

― am0n, Friday, 24 August 2007 19:59 (eighteen years ago)

hahahha stro-ngo

― strongohulkington, Friday, 24 August 2007 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

omg ilm was a wacky place in 2003 and 2004

― strongohulkington, Friday, 24 August 2007 20:13 (eighteen years ago)

"was"
"wacky"
"in 2003 and 2004"

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 24 August 2007 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

wacky words-era ILM > wacky imagebomb-era ILM

― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 24 August 2007 20:17 (eighteen years ago)

i'd like to have wacky words-era ILM back minus the whole "taking it all so seriously" aspect

― strongohulkington, Friday, 24 August 2007 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

how many trife wannabes are there now btw?
-- cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, March 10, 2004 10:11 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

overdue for a new headcount.

― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 24 August 2007 20:23 (eighteen years ago)

wow, this thread

― cutty, Friday, 24 August 2007 20:29 (eighteen years ago)

i also like it cause it chronicles part of ddb's lowercase phase

― cutty, Friday, 24 August 2007 20:35 (eighteen years ago)

if this isn't a comedy thread, then let's answer the question! I mean it's a little like TS: Shyne vs. Biggie

-- Al (sitcom), Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:21 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

― and what, Friday, 24 August 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

apparently he looks like stifler
-- the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, March 11, 2004

― strongohulkington, Friday, 24 August 2007 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

http://milkplus.blogspot.com/ap3-stifler.jpg

― and what, Friday, 24 August 2007 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

I'm so tempted to post the picture of ethan as a backpacker in like sixth grade or something.

-- Dan I., Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:32 PM (3 years ago)

― am0n, Friday, 24 August 2007 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

i'm gonna hear "wiggins" in every radio edit from now on

― am0n, Friday, 24 August 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

william wiggins

― dylannn, Friday, 24 August 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)

lol

― deej, Friday, 24 August 2007 21:18 (eighteen years ago)

legends/myths believed by william wiggins stans

― dylannn, Friday, 24 August 2007 21:35 (eighteen years ago)

wiggins beat up djdee for jacking a line about unauthorized biography of rakim

― dylannn, Friday, 24 August 2007 21:37 (eighteen years ago)

1. rich white nerds writing about mf doom and lil jon.

2. david drake's biting ass. maybe i was supposed to be
honored by having a sentence i wrote appear in a stylus
review.

3. kris ex. if i ever got to meet him in person i
would break his jaw and stomp on his hands.

4. jon caramanica. broken jaw, too. then jacked for ipod,
pink airforce 1s, ford focus keys.

5. sean downes.

― and what, Friday, 24 August 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

who the fuck is sean downes

― dylannn, Friday, 24 August 2007 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/personinfo/FromMktGuideIdPersonTearsheet.jhtml?passedMktGuideId=491420

― dylannn, Friday, 24 August 2007 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

legends/myths believed by william wiggins stans

wiggins actually met screw in '94 at a fat pat show

― am0n, Friday, 24 August 2007 21:58 (eighteen years ago)

saying i stole that line was always a stretch dude

― deej, Friday, 24 August 2007 22:24 (eighteen years ago)

tho i am honored to be included in the ranks of kris ex, jon caramanica and rich white dudes

― deej, Friday, 24 August 2007 22:24 (eighteen years ago)

And in “U.B.R.”, Nas salutes his chief inspiration Rakim: “at sixteen son was watchin’ him / Mesmerized, respect, not jockin’ him,” over a beat that echoes the breaks from the end of “Microphone Fiend”, heard outside club doors.

nas - u.b.r. (the unauthorized biography of rakim) --

he's spitting that read-along flow, breaking it down like he did on last real nigga alive, switching it from just a do your history lecture to a really amazing track. taking that reactionary bullshit seriously but making it dope. beat heard through cold steel alley door of club, filtered out to just hard bass and handclaps on top.

― and what, Friday, 24 August 2007 22:28 (eighteen years ago)

im not a biter im a writer for myself and others

― and what, Friday, 24 August 2007 22:28 (eighteen years ago)

subconsciously stolen concept? not exactly a case you can take to creative commons

― deej, Friday, 24 August 2007 22:34 (eighteen years ago)

this whirlwind of beef

― max, Friday, 24 August 2007 22:35 (eighteen years ago)

hey you stole that line from nas!!!

― M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 24 August 2007 22:40 (eighteen years ago)

thats just a myth believed by nas stans i was rapping that shit over howie tee beats in 1988

― max, Friday, 24 August 2007 22:43 (eighteen years ago)

that's not what my good friend the late great Paul C (RIP) told me

― M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 24 August 2007 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

werent you born in 1988 xp

― deej, Saturday, 25 August 2007 00:57 (eighteen years ago)

1985, and nas released illmatic when he was 7 so its not unprecedented

― max, Saturday, 25 August 2007 01:00 (eighteen years ago)

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