lil kim vs. trina, who's the first lady of nasty hip-hop?

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who's the trashiest of the whole female lott? lil kim came out earier, but that don't mean she got the best skills.

― silvohn clinton, Tuesday, 23 March 2004 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Corny indie fuxx pedant alert: Notorious KIM 2000, Da Baddest Bitch 2000, Princess Superstar CEO 1997. I don't think she's as dirty as either of 'em though, but she was a couple years ahead of 'em.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Hardcore 1996

(or '97, Ah'm ohhhlld)

― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Peaches!

Shake your dicks!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 23 March 2004 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I choose Lil Kim Khia.

― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh shit I forgot that Barima! Out pedanting the pedant!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I rool, yo.

(Why did my strike tags fail? Lil Kim Khia is a great name for a female rapper no doubt)

― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Lil' Kim is a schmuck. Salt'n'Pepa rooooooooolz!

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Princess Superstar. She's a Bad Babysitter.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

too many k's in that great rap name girrrl!

― silvohn clinton, Tuesday, 23 March 2004 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Are people actually saying that Princess Superstar is in anyway comperable to Trina or Lil' Kim?

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I am sure as fuck saying that, yes.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

"Miss Princess/that's me/Miss Princess fuck you if you nas-ty"

― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Gangsta Boo.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Silvohn, don't hate on alliteration (besides, it sounds like Lady Miss Kier, and therefore more fun). And don't call me "girrrl".

― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Are people actually saying that Princess Superstar is in anyway comperable to Trina or Lil' Kim?

yep. she's comparable as in "Princess Superstar is way more entertaining than Trina or Lil' Kim."

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

nfw! Trina is the best of the two options by the way, and beats PS by a country mile. B R Right? The brilliant duets with Deuce Papi?!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't say that exactly. I just think it's pretty short-sighted to think that she's not comparable.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, 'Meet You Halfway', 'Come Up To My Room', 'Bad Baysitter' and a couple others would have been great inclusions on Hardcore (Kim's shining, defining moment).

― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 21:36 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.trina-online.com/images/official_photos/photos_5_big.jpg

― William Wiggins, Tuesday, 23 March 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Trina, just for that monologue at the end of "B R Right", which reduces people I would never have thought shockable to a stunned silence. I think it's the "fuckin' niggas in the face" line which does it.

Princess Superstar is TOTALLY up there with Trina and Kim.... I mean, "Wet! Wet! Wet!"

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

as albums go, i like la bella mafia a lot more than diamond princess, but trina has a way cooler voice... princess superstar's voice is kinda clunky.

― dave k, Tuesday, 23 March 2004 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

3 years ago at Manc uni, I was heading up a student radio hip hop show. It was one old schoolfriend/scratch DJ/producer, a sneaky record collector from my halls who I always got into trouble with and a nice middle class dude we'd never met but turned out to be classic. Oh, and a rock chick-looking hip hop lover who turned out to be a little over-ly militant about female MCs.

She insisted on dedicating an hour to discussing them on our 1st or 2nd show and sadly, because of my mostly undie-at the time phase I had nothing interesting, witty or insightful to say about Missy, Da Brat, the Wee Papa Girl Rappers etc which could have made it more fun. When she started up about the sexualisation of female rappers (her only real point, really), I pointed out that Lil Kim posed for promo shots for Hardcore in a bikini and in a spread-crouch pose, with the words "Coming Soon" written under her (I thought it was great). She actually said to me, with deadly seriousness, "Yeh, I don't think we need to know about your sexual fantasies, B-Man", partly proving that she was actually pretty useless on this particular soapbox.

So, I decided to get Miss Princess involved. The highlight was playing 'Kool Keith's @$$' from the start with the sampled conversation between Concetta, Keith and a random. The girl opened her big mouth again over the conversation because she wanted to know when the tune came in, which I laughed at. I ended up deriding her on air for repeating everything I said at some points. She decided not to do the second series.

― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I also wish I'd played the original 'Not Tonight' as well, but like many fave albums, I don't actually own Hardcore.

Also, MC Paul Barman feat. Princess Superstar - 'MTV Get Off The Air, Part 2'. ILM likes this, don't we?

― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.poe-boy.com/photos/jackio/7.jpg

― William Wiggins, Tuesday, 23 March 2004 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

At a time in the industry where female MC’s have made a name for themselves by reciting ghost written rhymes from established male MC’s bragging about the riches they’ve acquired from “get rich quick sex schemes” and “male sponsored lavish living”. Out bursts Jacki-O born and bred on the streets of Miami, Florida. A level ten street hustler with level ten lyrics she comes at you with hard-hitting tales of real life survival on the streets of what the rest of the country calls “The bottom”.

― William Wiggins, Tuesday, 23 March 2004 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Search: Disco D feat Princess Superstar - "Fuck Me On The Dancefloor"

"The roof, the roof, the roof is on FIYAH!"

― Nick H (Nick H), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Y'all know miami, right? but do you really know what miami LIKE?

p.s. fuck a dime, trina's a silver doller, holla and only on ilx could we be talking about princess motherfucking superstar in the same breath. greatest rapper: rakim, biggie, or fred durst?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

WTFEVER.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

princess : durst :: em : nick crowe was the drummer for gay dad

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Search: Disco D feat Princess Superstar - "Fuck Me On The Dancefloor"

YES!

I prefer Princess Superstar to Biggie, totally.

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and Trina all the way, obv.

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Sterling, you're right. I'm only going to listen to stuff with a Certificate of Authenticity in future.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Trina has some killer lines and her albums are more consistent over time than Lil' Kim's, but *Hardcore* is such a stone cold classic. It's hard for me to call this race.

And, hell yeah, Princess Superstar is up there with Kim/Trina/Gangsta Boo/Bytches With Problems (anyone else remember "Is The Pussy Still Good?")/Hoez Wit Attitudes

― Randy Reiss (undeadsinatra), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

What ever happened to Foxy Brown's new album?

(Trina wins btw, but it's close. I don't rate Princess Superstar at all--and this she did it first thing is a complete joke.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Trina is brilliant. "B R Right" is good but come on "Pull Over" is just brutal and beautiful. This Princess Superstar talk mystifies me--the woman is awful. Any kind of Kool Keith association should make that clear.

― adam (adam), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

y'all are forgetting the dopest shit.... Ms. Tarrie B!!

― ken taylrr, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 06:44 (twenty-two years ago)

my neck, my back...

― Skottie, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 07:28 (twenty-two years ago)

certificate of authenticity? more like TALENT!

anyway if we're gonna go all princess superstar, how could y'all forget the yeastie girls???

foxy's latest got canned in a dispute over "direction" with simmons -- he wanted something more pop, she wanted something harder. i have the leaked pre-release album for Fever II and its truly awesome tho. i started a thread about it somewhere.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 07:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Foxy Brown: Ill Na Na 2: The Fever!!!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 08:03 (twenty-two years ago)

CANNED!!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 08:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I prefer Lil Kim but i like songs by all of them. yeastie girlz was great, as were cunts with attitude!

― heroes + villains, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 09:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Gravy Train...

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 09:57 (twenty-two years ago)

william set up a website where you just put all the bling bling pictures you can find. On the visual side of ilm u runnin tings duder

― lukey (Lukey G), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

On a British tip, Estelle. If she doesn't have a "Superstar" sized hit over the next twelve months, I'd be very surprised.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 13:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Estelle is kinda decent, but is she really nasty?

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, at least Tempa has a 'nasty-sounding' name, get me?

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

"Tricksta" is vaguely nastyish, perhaps?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 13:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Any kind of Kool Keith association should make that clear.

So then I guess ODB ain't worth a shit either? Or Ice-T?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Comparing Princess to Yeastie Girls only makes me think you've never actually listened to her at the fuck all.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I will however note that that track with Paul Barman sucks fucking ass. The Princess has nothing to do with its ass-suckage though.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

okay, princess superstar invented the idea of female rappers talking dirty and is also the greatest to ever do it. are you done?

― William Wiggins, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude that's not at all what I'm trying to say, just that it's totally fucking lame how dismissive people are being towards her. TOTALLY FUCKING LAME.

Girls talking dirty in songs is hardly a recent thing, anyway.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Sometimes the dismissive nature with which people regard a SHIT TON of ANY KIND of hip-hop on this forum makes me wonder what's going on in their minds. I've been guilty of it in the past (esp. w/ re: to Missy), but I've also always been able to explain why I didn't like what I heard rather than just "anybody who associates with [blah blah] ain't worth a shit".

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

well, i have to admit i'm not really a fan of hip-hop, so maybe you're onto something. sorry.

― William Wiggins, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

"anybody who associates with [blah blah] ain't worth a shit".

This is true though--working with Kool Keith is like the kiss of death. This also goes for Dan the Automator--what other explanation is there for Prince Paul going from Prince Among Thieves to Politics of the Business?

― adam (adam), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Being involved with the Automator?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

haha that's so true - after the Automator got to them the Blues Explosion imploded into suckiness as well...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

It's too bad cuz Dan seems like a nice guy and occassionally he has really good ideas, but Jesus get off the damn prog-rock/space concept shtick and go back to just making tracks you pretensious fucker.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

seven years pass...

such a classic and underrated kim song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iph3igCZULQ

in the name of the father son and daughter
HERE COMES THE NEW WORLD ORDER

― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:36 (fourteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mobileweb/2013/02/06/lil-kim-surgery_n_2630326.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

yikes

― manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Saturday, 9 February 2013 15:48 (thirteen years ago)

wow she's turning into Katie Got Bandz

― dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Saturday, 9 February 2013 17:43 (thirteen years ago)

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